So much for the bar being raised......
Tuesday, August 28, 2001 by digitaljames | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
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digitaljames
Reply #22 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:11 AM
Reply #22 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:11 AM
David,
My post subject = So much for the bar being raised
My content = on wall submissions... That would be the point. Shall I post your email response to a skinner verbatim? I've been to your site and your work is awesome to say the least but to someone like say Frank Frazetta your work would be "amatuerish". The guidlines talked about the other day were loosely based around moderating "quickie filter fests" and work created with 3d applications in obviously "under 3 minutes"...and I think the majority would be happy to have those culled. In my "opinion", that standard has not been in use the last few days...Here's my suggestion for the moderations. Let all the walls through. If they don't get 300 downloads in 5 days they get whacked by a script. Easy peasy japaneesy. Just out of curiosity, how many walls get modded per day on average?
DJ
c'mon, the vomit thing is cool
My post subject = So much for the bar being raised
My content = on wall submissions... That would be the point. Shall I post your email response to a skinner verbatim? I've been to your site and your work is awesome to say the least but to someone like say Frank Frazetta your work would be "amatuerish". The guidlines talked about the other day were loosely based around moderating "quickie filter fests" and work created with 3d applications in obviously "under 3 minutes"...and I think the majority would be happy to have those culled. In my "opinion", that standard has not been in use the last few days...Here's my suggestion for the moderations. Let all the walls through. If they don't get 300 downloads in 5 days they get whacked by a script. Easy peasy japaneesy. Just out of curiosity, how many walls get modded per day on average?
DJ
c'mon, the vomit thing is cool
treetog
Reply #23 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:15 AM
Reply #23 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:15 AM
digitaljames: I totally agree with DavidK, your first post was really ununderstandeble to me and totally desagree with you, I know Dave during the last 2 years and never saw him being rude or non profesional with anybody. In fact, he is one of the most kind persons on this cummunity.
digitaljames
Reply #24 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:27 AM
Reply #24 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:27 AM
Treedog, I am quite sure David is as you say he is. He would not hold the stature in the community he possesses if otherwise. There are behind the scenes issues with another Citizen. I have seen the e-mail in question and it is quite as I described it. I have also seen the wall that was moderated. Based on what gets posted here daily, it did not deserve moderation nor the comments in the rejection e-mail. I have absolutely no issues with David personally, just opinions on the apparent lack of consistancy with the moderations. You opinion is noted and respected. Please state your views on the moderation procedure. Your opinion means a lot given your quality of skin submissions.
Sugaree
Reply #25 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:38 AM
Reply #25 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:38 AM
OOo someone got moderated and didn't like it.
haha I was wondering what this thread was about!
hehe sorry, just had to do it again!
haha I was wondering what this thread was about!
hehe sorry, just had to do it again!
DavidK
Reply #26 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:42 AM
Reply #26 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:42 AM
digitaljames... I'm still confused as to what your meaning is. Are you complaining that the moderation has not been strict enough lately? That wallpapers have been posted that don't deserve it? Or, are you saying we are too strict in our moderating? I'm serious, I don't know which you are saying...
I have no way of knowing how many walls come in every day. I see anywhere from none to maybe as many as 5 or 6. There are other moderators here that also go through the queue doing the same job I do. Therefore it's impossible to know how many.
As for changing the way things are done and letting all wallpaper submissions in. I do not make rules here - that responsibility is Pat and Alexandrie's. But the last time I saw a request to do something like that the answer was 'no'. We have a system in place that is not unlike most of the other sites. The biggest difference is this site is a bit easier to get a wallpaper accepted.
*thanks Renato
I have no way of knowing how many walls come in every day. I see anywhere from none to maybe as many as 5 or 6. There are other moderators here that also go through the queue doing the same job I do. Therefore it's impossible to know how many.
As for changing the way things are done and letting all wallpaper submissions in. I do not make rules here - that responsibility is Pat and Alexandrie's. But the last time I saw a request to do something like that the answer was 'no'. We have a system in place that is not unlike most of the other sites. The biggest difference is this site is a bit easier to get a wallpaper accepted.
*thanks Renato
DavidK
Reply #27 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:07 AM
Reply #27 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:07 AM
btw - I hadn't seen your last post before my response. So, I assume you feel the moderation is too strict?
I have no idea what you are referring to with my brutal rejection notice. I don't believe I've ever sent a brutal rejection to any moderated wallpaper. The only thing I can think of is one artist who wrote to me shouting and demanding that I explain why his work was not accepted (after the moderation notice). My response to him was a probably more complete and honest than most I send out. I remember with his piece I tried to be specific about what my feelings were and I tried to point him towards making better compositions. If he has a problem with my response he should email me. But he should learn to be more civil in his tone too.
There are always going to be bruised egos with moderation. We are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings and we are trying to be fair and consistent with our efforts. If it's not perfect, that's something we can strive for. If it's a case of the artist not being able to accept being juried on submission, then this isn't the site for him.
I have no idea what you are referring to with my brutal rejection notice. I don't believe I've ever sent a brutal rejection to any moderated wallpaper. The only thing I can think of is one artist who wrote to me shouting and demanding that I explain why his work was not accepted (after the moderation notice). My response to him was a probably more complete and honest than most I send out. I remember with his piece I tried to be specific about what my feelings were and I tried to point him towards making better compositions. If he has a problem with my response he should email me. But he should learn to be more civil in his tone too.
There are always going to be bruised egos with moderation. We are not trying to hurt anyone's feelings and we are trying to be fair and consistent with our efforts. If it's not perfect, that's something we can strive for. If it's a case of the artist not being able to accept being juried on submission, then this isn't the site for him.
digitaljames
Reply #28 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:43 AM
Reply #28 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:43 AM
Sheesh...I think the moderation criteria is too easy. I just was looking for more standardization.....the Citizen I have in mind should have been moderated in my opinion also but other walls much worse fly right on through, hence his plight or beef as it were. Personally, I say mod everything that looks like it may have been created friviously. "If" the guy I have in mind e-mailed you with arrogance it is/was not known to me. Maybe I shouldn't even be debating this issue for him. Thanks for the further information David. I'll go be a good Citizen now....
Sugaree
Reply #29 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:57 AM digitaljames, you were as clear a mudd, with your posts/comments are you sure your not a female?
Reply #29 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:57 AM
digitaljames, you were as clear a mudd, with your posts/comments are you sure your not a female?
Jafo
Reply #30 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:19 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:19 AM
Walls get moderated for more than one reason, but are approved for only one reason, so long as they will work reasonably well as computer screen backgrounds.
Yes, that is what they are 'supposed' to be.
Something that can 'work' as a back-drop to your operating system's icons, etc.
Realistically, simple, low-contrast non-distracting graphics are 'more' suited to the task than any other.
Take my two 'walls'.
Note the content...
Note it with regards to these criteria...
Note the download number...
Glory be praised...the more muted, less distracting one has twice the downloads....must mean something.
OK, the scores are a bit whacky in comparison, but I didn't rate them.
Had I, they'd be different...
To the case in point.
If it is the wall I'm thinking of, the most polite way of putting it is 'stuck an 'XP' in it for downloads'.
Quite frankly, there are other letters in the alphabet.
Last time I looked, there were 24 others.
But...
I could be wrong.
Yes, that is what they are 'supposed' to be.
Something that can 'work' as a back-drop to your operating system's icons, etc.
Realistically, simple, low-contrast non-distracting graphics are 'more' suited to the task than any other.
Take my two 'walls'.
Note the content...
Note it with regards to these criteria...
Note the download number...
Glory be praised...the more muted, less distracting one has twice the downloads....must mean something.
OK, the scores are a bit whacky in comparison, but I didn't rate them.
Had I, they'd be different...
To the case in point.
If it is the wall I'm thinking of, the most polite way of putting it is 'stuck an 'XP' in it for downloads'.
Quite frankly, there are other letters in the alphabet.
Last time I looked, there were 24 others.
But...
I could be wrong.
DavidK
Reply #31 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:30 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, August 29, 2001 2:30 AM
I don't know if the artist in question is the one I'm remembering with the email either... There's no reason for this to be dragged out here. Feel free to write me if you would like to discuss this any further...
haha - China you are too much...
haha - China you are too much...
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Reply #21 Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:48 PM
on Wall submissions....
You say your point is valid? I saw no point at all... I couldn't figure out at all what you were trying to say.
Moderation seems to be rubbing some people the wrong way. The reasons for it have been stated many times in threads on this message board. Plus, I don't believe anything I've sent back to an artist that was moderated could be described as "brutal".
I try to respond to all the emails I get and I know I try to be polite and helpful. There have only been a few emails I got that were angry and rude in their tone, and even those I tried to respond in the same way.
If you have sometrhing constructive to say about the moderation process I'd be glad to hear it. The word vomit is a bit too vague for me, sorry... try to put a few more words together next time if you want to be seriously responded to. (like this response to your last post)