Probably not a bad idea.

I would even associate Stardock's logo with the WC trademark...

did the da logo have dmusic in it? did skinz.org have the efront logo in it? no. why should this place have the stardock logo in it just because it has some stardock influence? maybe they should put the paxx logo in there while theyre at it.

Different. dmusic and eFront were just sponsors. Had no influence on the form or the content, not the case here. This is a Stardock website and I think it should be clear.
Just my opinion though.

The spots are always greener on another Frog.

The Paxx are always lighter on another mule.

There's an about section on this site? Buzz_Hog wonders how many hits that page has (never bothered to read it as I'm capable of determining what this site is about on my own)

Buzz_Hog feels the site is run in a very responsible manner by a team of individuals proven to handle such responsibilities.

Buzz_Hog thinks constructive criticism is good.

Buzz_Hog thinks if you want to bitch about the way the site is run, build your own the way you want.

Buzz_Hog thinks that a company that flips the bill for a site such as this has every right to profit from it in some way.

Buzz_Hog thinks that nothing is, nor never will be perfect... Appreciate the good aspects of things and look beyond it's imperfections. Strive to be great and you can succeed, strive for perfection and you will always fail.

Buzz_Hog thinks Froggy and Paxx should agree to disagree and move on.

Buzz_Hog stops thinking before his head explodes......

Mr. Paxx. I don't think you know whether they [Dmusic, eFront] had influence or not. You don't know how much influence Stardock has here or not either beyond that they ask that a small group of directly competing sections be added. This request strikes me as understandable. It says this in the about link and I quote:

"This site is supported by a monthly grant from the Stardock Corporation. Stardock makes the popular customization programs WindowBlinds, DesktopX, ObjectBar, IconPackager, WebBlinds, PocketBlinds and others. This grant does not cover all our costs and we are expected to fund the rest of the site costs through the sales of CDs, T-shirts, mugs, and other items. If you find yourself using this site a great deal, please consider purchasing something from our store. The proceeds go directly into helping pay for the bandwidth."

This implies to me, a user, that this website is a Stardock supported site and since Stardock is the only one poneying up the dough, they will have some say. The operative word being some. How much say we do not know. Unless Mr. Paxx and others have secret microphones, they do not know how much influence. But the existence of Litestep and nextstart sections alone indicate that the site is fairly independent. Winamp.com is a company website. You will not find skins for other programs there. Mr. Paxx and others have failed to provide evidence as to why a company site would list so many non-company sections. Are the litestep people secretly paying Stardock money to put up a Litestep section on their "company" skin site? If Hoverdesk or some other application developer were willing to help pay then I bet the powers that be of this site would be in a better position to offer them a section.

Just to be a contrarian on this subject let me pose something. If this website were to be called a "Stardock site", a distinction I think would be factually and ethically incorrect, then it implies that Stardock has some relationship with all of the software producers who have sections which I am under the distinct impression that they do not. It also implies that the content of this site in terms of what skins are available are the responsibility of Stardock. Does Stardock decide which Litestep themes are available? Do you know, Mr. Paxx? I think not.

As an objective and disinterested third party in this discussion, the anti-Stardock contigency for lack of a better term, want 100% their way or they want the site to be branded 100% corporate tool. Such simplistic thinking should be frowned upon IMHO. It also represents to me those people are demanding from others what they themselves are unwillig to do; that is put up their own skin website. If the so-called community, which I don't really think exists in the sense that many around here bandy the term, wants to make these demands, then perhaps the so-called community should dig deep into their pockets and start poneying up the dough. Perhaps I am the only one reading those charming figures Frogboy posts each month. But high volume websites are not cheap. It is not a localized problem. Many of my hangouts are under seige by their own popularity and the unwillingness of the noble cheapskates to offer or provide a solution to that problem.

I highly doubt that I am the only person reading this conversation that does not see the irony in people who aren't paying the bills condemning those that do pay the bills. As a lurker on many websites, I see lots of trends that are neither dastardly nor purposeful. As one such example, I visit TwoHipDudes.com. They have a bunch of skin sections. But no sections for Stardock's programs. Has Mr. Paxx and Mr. Hippy and others sent outraged email there? I think not. The guys who run that site, as hip as they are, do not want Stardock developed apps there. The people who run this site, mostly from Stardock, do not want a literal handful of programs here. Does that make this site a corporate tool? I would say no.

And finally, to end this verbose post that has eaten up some time to which I wish I could type as fast as some of the others here say they can, some of you really need to loosen up. Nothing is more of a turn off as a casual user than to see a tiny group of self annointed city elders whose only claim to fame is that they've been around for awhile to make posts of outrage and charges of anger when they have done absolutely nothing to solve it. Nothing pisses me off more than people who criticize the doers and shakers but won't step up to the plate themselves.

In conclusion, is this site a website sponsored by Stardock? I would say yes. Is it a Stardock site? I would say no. Saying yes implies a relationship with the apps listed here that doesn't exist. Saying yes implies a liability to the skins listed here. Saying yes would simply be untrue. My advice to you Frogboy is this, stick with figures you have stated. If hundreds of thousands of people are happily using this site each month. Then why would you bow to pressure from a literal handful of purist fanatics who have never run a major high volume website?

Time for lunch!

phew emily, that was quite a mouth full. ya i'm of the same opinion.one obvious item nobody has mentioned. if this is a 'stardock tool' site then where are the stardock banners? the stardock advertisements? the stardock pop ups? the wb section has no more advantage to get people to the wb site than the coolplayer section.

Fine. Seems I'm the bad guy again.
This was not a critic, as I said before. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Let's be honest. WC, altough a different entity, is still own by Stardock and serves a purpose. This purpose is to offer the community a place where they can gather and find what they need for the products they like. But doing so cost money, loads of money! I wonder if some of you realize that running a site like WC can cost in many hundreds if not thousands each month! How do you pay for that if you have no outsource fund? Someone has to pay and Stardock does. The problem, as pointed out, is that when money comes short, you have to find ingenious ways to solve the issue. That's a plain basic management concept Stardock is facing with WC. All that because they're "happy" victims of their success and because each of us is part of the problem since we all individually consume a fraction the available bandwidth. So, let's face it: there's a problem and it HAS to be solved. Can we individually contribute into solving this issue? I believe so. And ranting at Stardock isn't the solution.

Now, on another aspect. Does it mean that because this site is directly funded by Stardock it's not a "real" community? Hey! What is a community made of? People! Each one of us is a part of this community. Why then the fact WC is own by a Stardock should make a difference to our way to see the community?

Ok, 'nuf for now. Have works to do Peace.

Paxx, your not, nor ever were "the bad guy"...

Good people can disagree.

this is true... and is the case here...

Nah, paxx is pure evil.

craeonics regards "if you think you can do better prove it and start your own thing" argumentr as non-arguments. That's nonsense. "If you don't agree with the government, start your own country". "if you don't like your car, build your own".

Gain citizenship in another country or buy another car.... or make your own.... The fact is plain and simple...

Appreciate the good that others have to offer, or go somewhere else.

Coming soon: United Craeonics, a small but powerful nation with good pasta.

hehe (Pasta?)
nah maybe Dutch cookies...

No, Brad, I consider our discussions, just as such discussions between two adults. We've always respected each other and that's what I like about you. But the same connot be said with everybody. Lets just say that you got some good bullies.

Anyway, Buzz: you can like one country the best of all the existing countries, but still wish to improve it, no? You may find your car is the best that suits you but still wish for more fuel efficiency or something, no? Critism isn't bad.
And anyway, I wasn't even criticising, that the worth part. *sigh* Oh d-d-dear... (piglet voice)

hehe paxxy

Needless to say.... complaining at someone elses party is in poor taste...

but I'm not complaiiiiiiiiining! *whine* *stomp feet*