Is this a rip?
Wednesday, July 18, 2001 by treetog | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I recieved a message alerting me about this...
http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml?componentId=61331
I really don't know how to proceed, since the person gave the credits in the skin's description, but never asked for my persmission and also changed my original graphics (erasing the skins real name of the titlebar).
I remember that last year, someone made a rip's list at skinz org and all the ripped skins were banished from the damn winamp.com site.
It seems that this kind of sucking things will never ands there.
http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml?componentId=61331
I really don't know how to proceed, since the person gave the credits in the skin's description, but never asked for my persmission and also changed my original graphics (erasing the skins real name of the titlebar).
I remember that last year, someone made a rip's list at skinz org and all the ripped skins were banished from the damn winamp.com site.
It seems that this kind of sucking things will never ands there.
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Jafo
Reply #42 Friday, July 20, 2001 8:47 PM
Reply #42 Friday, July 20, 2001 8:47 PM
Logged in to Nullsoft just so I could comment......
This is a stolen work belonging to one of the world's most respected Skinners. I know this, because I was privvy to his original release prior to it going public. I have known Renato for years, as a fellow skinner, and am disgusted that an admitted 'rip' is allowed to be posted.
It is disrespectful to treetog's good name and reputation in the skinning community.
If you admire his work, praise it, don't steal it under whatever dubious motive you think is justification. There is none.
Here is a copy and paste from Renato's text file in his skin....hence why I am annoyed personally.
Thanking: I would like to express my profound gratitude to 3 special good friends:
Russ Schwenkler aka Dangeruss, for all his suport and advise on many skins, specially in the HVD theme.
Paul Martin aka Jafo, for making so well the winamp region file for me, but his Spanish is still worse then my english.
Johanne Chainé aka Alexandrie, for teaching me how to make scripts for the WB skinned menus.
Not only should this be removed, and since treetog has just uploaded the original to this site, a public apology should be forth-coming.
Imagine my disgust when I received a WinAMP newsletter featuring a rip of something I helped out with.
And I wonder why I have never posted my skins here.
Just remove this, now.
This is also the wish of the Original author.
Paul Martin
aka
JAFO
Just Another F***ing Observer
One can only try....
This is a stolen work belonging to one of the world's most respected Skinners. I know this, because I was privvy to his original release prior to it going public. I have known Renato for years, as a fellow skinner, and am disgusted that an admitted 'rip' is allowed to be posted.
It is disrespectful to treetog's good name and reputation in the skinning community.
If you admire his work, praise it, don't steal it under whatever dubious motive you think is justification. There is none.
Here is a copy and paste from Renato's text file in his skin....hence why I am annoyed personally.
Thanking: I would like to express my profound gratitude to 3 special good friends:
Russ Schwenkler aka Dangeruss, for all his suport and advise on many skins, specially in the HVD theme.
Paul Martin aka Jafo, for making so well the winamp region file for me, but his Spanish is still worse then my english.
Johanne Chainé aka Alexandrie, for teaching me how to make scripts for the WB skinned menus.
Not only should this be removed, and since treetog has just uploaded the original to this site, a public apology should be forth-coming.
Imagine my disgust when I received a WinAMP newsletter featuring a rip of something I helped out with.
And I wonder why I have never posted my skins here.
Just remove this, now.
This is also the wish of the Original author.
Paul Martin
aka
JAFO
Just Another F***ing Observer
One can only try....
MurkWorks
Reply #43 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:28 PM
Reply #43 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:28 PM
Everyone, I have come out with a new MP3 player. It is called AmpWin. Never mind the fact it looks exactly like WinAmp, except the name. Since just the name is different it's ok!
Jafo
Reply #44 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:32 PM
Reply #44 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:32 PM
Oh, goodie....can I have it, Mr. Murk....and do you have the crack for it too? I hate to pay for this stuff....
Al Hay
Reply #45 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:42 PM
Reply #45 Friday, July 20, 2001 9:42 PM
In answer to your request, Fuckoff,I look forward to ripping and uploading more of your "GAY" skins,(under different alises,obviously)
Leather Box=Lather Box
Attacker=Attack Her
These will do for starters!!!
You and your cronies shouldn't have made such a fuss over something so trivial(there are kids dying of hunger for fucksake)Chill out.
Greets
>From: "Renato C. Veras Jr."
>To:
>Subject: Re: Sputnik for WInAmp
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:09:19 -0300
>
>
>Just today I saw MY Sputnik skin posted at Winamp.com.
>
>Even you giving me the credits, you never asked my permission to upload >and modify my original work.
>
>Please remove it emidiatly!
>
>Renato C. Veras Jr.
>aka treetog
>www.integration-worx.com
>
>
Leather Box=Lather Box
Attacker=Attack Her
These will do for starters!!!
You and your cronies shouldn't have made such a fuss over something so trivial(there are kids dying of hunger for fucksake)Chill out.
Greets
>From: "Renato C. Veras Jr."
>To:
>Subject: Re: Sputnik for WInAmp
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:09:19 -0300
>
>
>Just today I saw MY Sputnik skin posted at Winamp.com.
>
>Even you giving me the credits, you never asked my permission to upload >and modify my original work.
>
>Please remove it emidiatly!
>
>Renato C. Veras Jr.
>aka treetog
>www.integration-worx.com
>
>
Silvergem
Reply #46 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:01 PM
Reply #46 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:01 PM
Hehe, know whats funny?
'Al Hay' got called a girl.
=D
'Al Hay' got called a girl.
=D
Al Hay
Reply #47 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:32 PM
Reply #47 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:32 PM
Sorry,I should have explained a bit better,this was not me who posted this,I just copied & pasted it from the Winamp site,here's the link http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=61331&_DARGS=%2Finc%2Flayout%2Freview_add.jhtml.6,sorry for that misunderstanding Silvergem,btw I AM a girl,but not all of us are rippers like that futhamucka who ripped Treetogs skin.
Silvergem
Reply #48 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:35 PM
Reply #48 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:35 PM
Oh..
A thousand pardons!
Sorry for that, I thought that it was you...
A thousand pardons!
Sorry for that, I thought that it was you...
Jafo
Reply #49 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:46 PM
Reply #49 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:46 PM
Careful, guys and gals....when posting about and responding to rippers, always be careful to explain who is saying what....otherwise PPL get the wrong impression or jump to the wrong conclusions.
We at WinCusto are the 'good guys'...unfortunately the same cannot be said for a number of people at Nullsoft....
We at WinCusto are the 'good guys'...unfortunately the same cannot be said for a number of people at Nullsoft....
Al Hay
Reply #50 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:47 PM
Reply #50 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:47 PM
Winamp have removed the original comments I linked to above,they can remove offensive language but not ripped work??
Silvergem
Reply #51 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:50 PM
Reply #51 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:50 PM
Yessir, Mr. Jafo, sir.
I'll be more careful next time.
I'll be more careful next time.
Jafo
Reply #52 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:57 PM
Reply #52 Friday, July 20, 2001 10:57 PM
I still have Russ's worm virus [I know it isn't really his] in quarantine.....perhaps I should attach it to an email to this person....
Oooh, I can be soooo evil at times....hit me...I'm being a bad boy....
Better not.....I'm supposed to be a responsible member of society....drat...never have any fun....
Oooh, I can be soooo evil at times....hit me...I'm being a bad boy....
Better not.....I'm supposed to be a responsible member of society....drat...never have any fun....
Silvergem
Reply #53 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:02 PM
Reply #53 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:02 PM
Responsible Member of Society!
Ah!
*Glad he's still yound enough not to be considered one of those*
Ah!
*Glad he's still yound enough not to be considered one of those*
Jafo
Reply #55 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:03 PM
Reply #55 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:03 PM
Well, after an email from this little creep...I think I may very well send her the virus....
She told me to fuck off and get a life....
Maybe I just should do what she says...
She told me to fuck off and get a life....
Maybe I just should do what she says...
Jafo
Reply #56 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:19 PM
Reply #56 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:19 PM
My latest response...posted on the skin....
Theft and abuse
posted on July 20, 2001 @ 23:17 PM
Congratulations, Ma'am....
You shall be hence-forth forever known as a despicable child who has no better talent than to be able to recognise it in others.
I am disgusted with your attitude, and with the apparent tardiness of action from Nullsoft. However their hypocrisy of position is all the site hits they get when something controversial turns up.
However...if all the 'real' WinAMP skinners were to leave this site...all that would be left would be Photoskin rubbish and rips like this one.
Paul Martin JAFO
Theft and abuse
posted on July 20, 2001 @ 23:17 PM
Congratulations, Ma'am....
You shall be hence-forth forever known as a despicable child who has no better talent than to be able to recognise it in others.
I am disgusted with your attitude, and with the apparent tardiness of action from Nullsoft. However their hypocrisy of position is all the site hits they get when something controversial turns up.
However...if all the 'real' WinAMP skinners were to leave this site...all that would be left would be Photoskin rubbish and rips like this one.
Paul Martin JAFO
Jafo
Reply #57 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:39 PM
Reply #57 Friday, July 20, 2001 11:39 PM
It seems this person is reading this board.
She doesn't seem to like me any more.....my mention of viruses has got her worried.
Silly little dweeb...I wouldn't do such a thing.
I'd much rather steal another's artwork...
She doesn't seem to like me any more.....my mention of viruses has got her worried.
Silly little dweeb...I wouldn't do such a thing.
I'd much rather steal another's artwork...
Jafo
Reply #58 Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:02 AM
Reply #58 Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:02 AM
Just me...trying to restore some order in the kaos...
Latest email...
I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.
Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.
If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.
There is no need for this to be a slanging match.
I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.
Cheers,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.
Greets
----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets
Latest email...
I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.
Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.
If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.
There is no need for this to be a slanging match.
I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.
Cheers,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.
Greets
----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets
Jafo
Reply #59 Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:07 AM
Reply #59 Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:07 AM
Just me...trying to restore some order in the kaos...
Latest email...
I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.
Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.
If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.
There is no need for this to be a slanging match.
I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.
Cheers,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.
Greets
----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets
Latest email...
I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.
Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.
If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.
There is no need for this to be a slanging match.
I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.
Cheers,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.
Greets
----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets
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Reply #41 Friday, July 20, 2001 3:53 PM