Why my XP wallpaper is available when logged on but not in guest mode?
Monday, June 25, 2001 by skinner7892 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Hi all!
I wonder why I can see the wallpaper I uploaded yesterday only when I'm logged on. When I come in not logged, it just doesn't appear at all. Any particular reason why it happens? It's an WinXP theme btw.
Thanks in advance!
Flipnet
I wonder why I can see the wallpaper I uploaded yesterday only when I'm logged on. When I come in not logged, it just doesn't appear at all. Any particular reason why it happens? It's an WinXP theme btw.
Thanks in advance!
Flipnet
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skinner7892
Reply #3 Monday, June 25, 2001 10:43 AM
Reply #3 Monday, June 25, 2001 10:43 AM
mmm, since i'm new around, I have to admit you lost me with that rating stuff. I posted my wallpaper yesterday, how can I be low-rated in less then 24h? I've posted it on Deviantart at the same time (yesteday afternoon) and I'm getting already about 100 hits so far so people seems to appreciate it. Also, what do you mean with the About section? Is it the one on the topmost menu near Messageboard and Contact?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
enz
Reply #5 Monday, June 25, 2001 11:43 AM
Reply #5 Monday, June 25, 2001 11:43 AM
OK; I'm sorry if I was going to fast:
In the 'About' section [yes, it is the one u mentioned FlipNet] you can read:
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Exile
This is a user who was banned. We do not delete accounts, we exile them. Exiled users cannot do anything on the site other than download files. They can only download skins that have been rated at 7 or above.
Visitor
This is a non-registered user. They can only download. They can only download skins that have been rated at 7 or above.
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Your skin is rated at [khaled, see your rating right in the details for your skin. choose 'my skins' in the top menu to see all your uploaded skins in one go!]:
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Peer Rating: 1
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Now how can a skin be rated that quickly you ask? After your upload your skin will be moderated by one of the admins and they give it a first rating as well. Later on other users with a certain status (see the above mentioned about section) will have their chance to rate the skinz as well.
How come that you have 100 downloads on DA and only 20 on WC? Well people and communities are different although I like to see us all as one big community. Some people are more into WP others are not.
Personally I think WP don't have too much to do with skinning! But that's just my 2 cents...
!!That doesn't say I don't respect and appreciate them - and off course this place is called WinCustomize and that definitely includes WPs!!
hope that clears things up
enz
In the 'About' section [yes, it is the one u mentioned FlipNet] you can read:
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Exile
This is a user who was banned. We do not delete accounts, we exile them. Exiled users cannot do anything on the site other than download files. They can only download skins that have been rated at 7 or above.
Visitor
This is a non-registered user. They can only download. They can only download skins that have been rated at 7 or above.
--
Your skin is rated at [khaled, see your rating right in the details for your skin. choose 'my skins' in the top menu to see all your uploaded skins in one go!]:
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Peer Rating: 1
--
Now how can a skin be rated that quickly you ask? After your upload your skin will be moderated by one of the admins and they give it a first rating as well. Later on other users with a certain status (see the above mentioned about section) will have their chance to rate the skinz as well.
How come that you have 100 downloads on DA and only 20 on WC? Well people and communities are different although I like to see us all as one big community. Some people are more into WP others are not.
Personally I think WP don't have too much to do with skinning! But that's just my 2 cents...
!!That doesn't say I don't respect and appreciate them - and off course this place is called WinCustomize and that definitely includes WPs!!
hope that clears things up
enz
skinner7892
Reply #6 Monday, June 25, 2001 12:42 PM
Reply #6 Monday, June 25, 2001 12:42 PM
Weeew! I must admit that i'm really disappointed here 
I mean, that's not an incentive for us, newbies, to get involved in. I really don't consider that my work, eventhough it's "another" XP theme as some may say, deserve such low rating. In fact, it was only showing a fraction of my skills in design with Photoshop...
I was actually working on a WB skin but I seriously consider not to put time in it anymore, afraid I am to invest countless hours in it - being already quite busy working full time and studying for IT certification stuff - and at the end being low-rated because some people with "autority" believes that the other 99.9% of the community won't like my work that much... And again, why am I getting good response on DevArt but not here? Isn't it the same community with the same preferences?
Anyway, I don't want to start a riot here
I simply wanted to express my deep disapointment for a situation I obviously don't understand. But there again, I respect that and wishes the best for the community. Peace.
I mean, that's not an incentive for us, newbies, to get involved in. I really don't consider that my work, eventhough it's "another" XP theme as some may say, deserve such low rating. In fact, it was only showing a fraction of my skills in design with Photoshop...I was actually working on a WB skin but I seriously consider not to put time in it anymore, afraid I am to invest countless hours in it - being already quite busy working full time and studying for IT certification stuff - and at the end being low-rated because some people with "autority" believes that the other 99.9% of the community won't like my work that much... And again, why am I getting good response on DevArt but not here? Isn't it the same community with the same preferences?
Anyway, I don't want to start a riot here
I simply wanted to express my deep disapointment for a situation I obviously don't understand. But there again, I respect that and wishes the best for the community. Peace.
thecat2000
Reply #7 Monday, June 25, 2001 1:27 PM
Reply #7 Monday, June 25, 2001 1:27 PM
Many of us can understand your dissapointment to be honest. XP material, such as skins, and wallpapers and themes are all being bombarded with low ratings, regardless of wether the work is actually good or not.
The difference between this site and deviantart, is that the two sites operate differently with two kinds of sets of rules. On this site the rating system operates differently from deviantart.
Lately XP has become really hated among certain skinners and I have read that some will even rate any XP skin etc an automatic rating of 1 just to protest at them. I think the behaviour is pretty immature to be honest. As it does not help seperate the Good OS imports and wallpapers based on more original thoughts, rather than it does not distingush between them. I predjudice can be quite ugly, but I would not take this first experience of posting your work which at the end of the day YOU feel proud of doing.
Please reconsider and post more work !
I seen your wallpaper remember ? I know already a lot of people liked the ideas that you put into it.
Keep up the good work
The difference between this site and deviantart, is that the two sites operate differently with two kinds of sets of rules. On this site the rating system operates differently from deviantart.
Lately XP has become really hated among certain skinners and I have read that some will even rate any XP skin etc an automatic rating of 1 just to protest at them. I think the behaviour is pretty immature to be honest. As it does not help seperate the Good OS imports and wallpapers based on more original thoughts, rather than it does not distingush between them. I predjudice can be quite ugly, but I would not take this first experience of posting your work which at the end of the day YOU feel proud of doing.
Please reconsider and post more work !
I seen your wallpaper remember ? I know already a lot of people liked the ideas that you put into it. Keep up the good work
Frogboy
Reply #8 Monday, June 25, 2001 1:53 PM
Reply #8 Monday, June 25, 2001 1:53 PM
Just to clarify, the "about" link is rather oudated.
What we currently have is a per section threshold. To save on bandwidth (and it does work, we've experimented with it considerably) we have have a PER section rating threshold. For most of the sections, guests see all the skins.
But wallpapers have to have a 3 rating and up to be seen when the user BROWSES. You can still do a search on the skin and it'll show up and it'll still show up in the new additions and top downloads (though we have made a change recently that wallpapers that get a low moderator rating do not show up in the quick new additions list - we were getting overloaded with wallpaper -- mostly XP -- submissions).
BTW, I checked your wallpaper, Skys The Limit and it should be showing up for everyone (its rating is high enough to be seen).
A note in general though to wallpaper authors - many skin sites have historically just moderated most wallpapers (skinz.org only let a few in each week). We don't want to get into the business of moderating so we let the apprentices on up decide what shoudl be moderated. They do peer ratings and that is what we use. Thus what is moderated (i.e. not seen by unregisterd users) is dependent on a larger group rather than a handful of administrators.
Is it a perfect system? Probably not but it works pretty decently.
Why is XP getting flamed so much? Let me give you my 2 cents on it.
1) It's not original. I've created a lot of skins over the years including OS ports. A few XP skins are nice to have around but when a large number of them are XP it tends to get on ones nerves.
2) General atmosphere by some of the XP authors wh take personal offense if their work is graded low. Whether it be a WB skin or a ObjectBar theme or an icon package, don't kid yourself, it's not "yours", it's Microsoft's that you may have tweaked in some way.
3) General feeling that people upload XP stuff in order to be listed in the top rankings mechanism. This is reinfornced with constant re-submissions that have hardly any changes.
4) General feeling that people use XP as a crutch. People will throw an XP logo on a wallpaper in the hope of getting more downloads and then be unhappy that it gets a low rating. You have to pick, if you're going to use the XP logo to try to boost downloads then your peers are likely to grade it harder than if the submission had to stand on its own.
Let me say for the record that while the filtering system was long in development, it definitely has shown its value during the XP flood. Why? Because it keeps us from having to play favorites and moderate out XP skins and themes. But at the same time lets Admins, moderators, Journeymen, Apprentices collaborate on what should be seen and not seen.
A wallpaper getting less than a 3 is almost certainly either an XP wallpaper or a goof up in the system where it didn't get properly added (i.e. if it has a rating of 0). In fact, everyone reading this who has apprentice or higher access could go and do a sort of Wallpaper by rating and rate them based on how good they feel they are.
What we currently have is a per section threshold. To save on bandwidth (and it does work, we've experimented with it considerably) we have have a PER section rating threshold. For most of the sections, guests see all the skins.
But wallpapers have to have a 3 rating and up to be seen when the user BROWSES. You can still do a search on the skin and it'll show up and it'll still show up in the new additions and top downloads (though we have made a change recently that wallpapers that get a low moderator rating do not show up in the quick new additions list - we were getting overloaded with wallpaper -- mostly XP -- submissions).
BTW, I checked your wallpaper, Skys The Limit and it should be showing up for everyone (its rating is high enough to be seen).
A note in general though to wallpaper authors - many skin sites have historically just moderated most wallpapers (skinz.org only let a few in each week). We don't want to get into the business of moderating so we let the apprentices on up decide what shoudl be moderated. They do peer ratings and that is what we use. Thus what is moderated (i.e. not seen by unregisterd users) is dependent on a larger group rather than a handful of administrators.
Is it a perfect system? Probably not but it works pretty decently.
Why is XP getting flamed so much? Let me give you my 2 cents on it.
1) It's not original. I've created a lot of skins over the years including OS ports. A few XP skins are nice to have around but when a large number of them are XP it tends to get on ones nerves.
2) General atmosphere by some of the XP authors wh take personal offense if their work is graded low. Whether it be a WB skin or a ObjectBar theme or an icon package, don't kid yourself, it's not "yours", it's Microsoft's that you may have tweaked in some way.
3) General feeling that people upload XP stuff in order to be listed in the top rankings mechanism. This is reinfornced with constant re-submissions that have hardly any changes.
4) General feeling that people use XP as a crutch. People will throw an XP logo on a wallpaper in the hope of getting more downloads and then be unhappy that it gets a low rating. You have to pick, if you're going to use the XP logo to try to boost downloads then your peers are likely to grade it harder than if the submission had to stand on its own.
Let me say for the record that while the filtering system was long in development, it definitely has shown its value during the XP flood. Why? Because it keeps us from having to play favorites and moderate out XP skins and themes. But at the same time lets Admins, moderators, Journeymen, Apprentices collaborate on what should be seen and not seen.
A wallpaper getting less than a 3 is almost certainly either an XP wallpaper or a goof up in the system where it didn't get properly added (i.e. if it has a rating of 0). In fact, everyone reading this who has apprentice or higher access could go and do a sort of Wallpaper by rating and rate them based on how good they feel they are.
AJCrowley
Reply #9 Monday, June 25, 2001 2:30 PM
Reply #9 Monday, June 25, 2001 2:30 PM
Is there any way to check the rating that a piece has received, I've searched high and low, but am probably just blind.
skinner7892
Reply #10 Monday, June 25, 2001 2:45 PM
Reply #10 Monday, June 25, 2001 2:45 PM
I understand your point FrogBoy. But I just want to clarify that for me, using XP wasn't to boost hits. I don't want hits - I want people to enjoy my work. Flat and square.
Since the picture I used comes from XP, I thought it would be fair enough for me to give credit to the product and use this theme. I don't care what people believe to be my goals. If people downloads it I assume that's because they like it and i'm happy with that.
The issue I pointed out is the model used to rate artworks which can be frustrating if you happen to do something few people who have the "authority" just don't like. You are then assured not to make it.
I would rather suggest not to score artworks on the first impression of few reviewers but rather wait few days, weeks, maybe a month and then filters the artworks that just don't get enough download scores. That would reflects way better the community's feeling about the artworks. If a wallpaper for example gets 50-100 downloads a day or more, even if it's an XP theme, isn't it what you want for the best interest of the community? Wouldn't it be a sign that's what some people wants? In fact, to go further, I think that rating someone's work *assuming* community won't really like is discriminatory.
Ok, I concede you make the rules and we are free to play by it or go away. And that's ok with me. But I only hope my 2 cents on the subject could help relieve the frustration of many.
Peace.
Since the picture I used comes from XP, I thought it would be fair enough for me to give credit to the product and use this theme. I don't care what people believe to be my goals. If people downloads it I assume that's because they like it and i'm happy with that.
The issue I pointed out is the model used to rate artworks which can be frustrating if you happen to do something few people who have the "authority" just don't like. You are then assured not to make it.
I would rather suggest not to score artworks on the first impression of few reviewers but rather wait few days, weeks, maybe a month and then filters the artworks that just don't get enough download scores. That would reflects way better the community's feeling about the artworks. If a wallpaper for example gets 50-100 downloads a day or more, even if it's an XP theme, isn't it what you want for the best interest of the community? Wouldn't it be a sign that's what some people wants? In fact, to go further, I think that rating someone's work *assuming* community won't really like is discriminatory.
Ok, I concede you make the rules and we are free to play by it or go away. And that's ok with me. But I only hope my 2 cents on the subject could help relieve the frustration of many.
Peace.
thecat2000
Reply #11 Monday, June 25, 2001 3:01 PM
Reply #11 Monday, June 25, 2001 3:01 PM
Well SAID. FlipNET. I agree with much of what you say here. It is just a pity people wont open their eyes to the actual truth. I said I find it immature, and even in some cases just as much Childish. There is nothing to say that some one with a little authority and trust, can not abuse this trust and use their powers that they were given to give a predjudiced vote it is some thing you must respect though if a certian Skinner does not like that work then this is fair enough. But I would draw the line at discrimination but it seems it is the case. XP is discriminated against by a good number of senior members who have voting rights etc,. The best thing to do is no to take their vote to personally, and just get on with what you do best. Votes dont mean anything anyway. At the end of the dayif the skin/Wallpaper is getting downloads and people e mail you saying they like it,. Then is that not rewarding enough ?
Thats my two cents on the matter.
I agree with much of what you say here. It is just a pity people wont open their eyes to the actual truth. I said I find it immature, and even in some cases just as much Childish. There is nothing to say that some one with a little authority and trust, can not abuse this trust and use their powers that they were given to give a predjudiced vote it is some thing you must respect though if a certian Skinner does not like that work then this is fair enough. But I would draw the line at discrimination but it seems it is the case. XP is discriminated against by a good number of senior members who have voting rights etc,. The best thing to do is no to take their vote to personally, and just get on with what you do best. Votes dont mean anything anyway. At the end of the dayif the skin/Wallpaper is getting downloads and people e mail you saying they like it,. Then is that not rewarding enough ?Thats my two cents on the matter.
thecat2000
Reply #12 Monday, June 25, 2001 3:14 PM
Reply #12 Monday, June 25, 2001 3:14 PM
Yes, FrogBoy, ..
I know that XP authors and/or any author in general has been acussed of submitting XP skins or wallpaper in the hope to get into the top ten downloads for it.
But think of this..Not ALL XP material wether it be skins or wallpaper have made it into the top ten anyway. I could not say I have noticed that every single XP related piece of material that has shown up on this site has ended up in the top ten. I have not seen proof of that. Not would I believe this.
I could not say wether people do XP just to get into the top ten either, it could be that authors know there is a demand for XP this and that. They just fill out a demand as any business person would do. Do provide what is in demand you sink just like a business.
A NOTE to everyone using XP material's. Wether it is icons or Images of the OS. You should take a visit to Microsofts Copyright issues web site to understand what the implications are of your doing this work, and find out if your in breach of them. I have done this already I even wrote to Microsoft on the Permissions issue.
Yes.! Of course the material belongs to Micorosoft, and none of us are the original author. We cannot claim copyright to this work either. I uploaded my work on the basis that I want to SHARE my work with others. I created the XP skins for my own Operating system to customize the appearance. I then decided to start sharing them with others who might like it.
Next thing I knew they were getting top ten hits and made me number one. I was shocked, and even posted a comment on saying that this should not have happened. I did not deserve to be number one. I even pointed out that I was in no way as good as Treetog, and showed ultimate respect for him and his work. I still stand by this today too.
I know that XP authors and/or any author in general has been acussed of submitting XP skins or wallpaper in the hope to get into the top ten downloads for it.
But think of this..Not ALL XP material wether it be skins or wallpaper have made it into the top ten anyway. I could not say I have noticed that every single XP related piece of material that has shown up on this site has ended up in the top ten. I have not seen proof of that. Not would I believe this.
I could not say wether people do XP just to get into the top ten either, it could be that authors know there is a demand for XP this and that. They just fill out a demand as any business person would do. Do provide what is in demand you sink just like a business.
A NOTE to everyone using XP material's. Wether it is icons or Images of the OS. You should take a visit to Microsofts Copyright issues web site to understand what the implications are of your doing this work, and find out if your in breach of them. I have done this already I even wrote to Microsoft on the Permissions issue.
Yes.! Of course the material belongs to Micorosoft, and none of us are the original author. We cannot claim copyright to this work either. I uploaded my work on the basis that I want to SHARE my work with others. I created the XP skins for my own Operating system to customize the appearance. I then decided to start sharing them with others who might like it.
Next thing I knew they were getting top ten hits and made me number one. I was shocked, and even posted a comment on saying that this should not have happened. I did not deserve to be number one. I even pointed out that I was in no way as good as Treetog, and showed ultimate respect for him and his work. I still stand by this today too.
Frogboy
Reply #13 Monday, June 25, 2001 5:15 PM
Reply #13 Monday, June 25, 2001 5:15 PM
Just a little pragmatism - if you put an XP logo in your wallpaper or make a good XP icon package or skin, it's likely to get more downloads than others of similar quality.
However, it's likely to get a lower rating.
That has nothing to do with the rules at all. That's just an observation from watching the site.
There is no rule stating that an XP wallpaper is going to get a low rating. That just seems to be what happens.
As for what I said about how people feel about XP stuff, I am again communicating what I have observed. Of the Admins and moderators here, I can assure you that I am the least anti-XP skin/icon here. I don't have much opinion on it one way or the other.
But if you want to talk about unfairness, there are quite a few really GOOD wallpapers in the wallpaper section that have a rating of 0 because no one has even rated it (not even a moderator which is wrong). I hope everyone here who has apprentice access or better will taek the time to try to find any wallpapers or skins or whatever htey care about that are rated at 0 and rate them as something. You can do this by sorting by rating in ascending order.
However, it's likely to get a lower rating.
That has nothing to do with the rules at all. That's just an observation from watching the site.
There is no rule stating that an XP wallpaper is going to get a low rating. That just seems to be what happens.
As for what I said about how people feel about XP stuff, I am again communicating what I have observed. Of the Admins and moderators here, I can assure you that I am the least anti-XP skin/icon here. I don't have much opinion on it one way or the other.
But if you want to talk about unfairness, there are quite a few really GOOD wallpapers in the wallpaper section that have a rating of 0 because no one has even rated it (not even a moderator which is wrong). I hope everyone here who has apprentice access or better will taek the time to try to find any wallpapers or skins or whatever htey care about that are rated at 0 and rate them as something. You can do this by sorting by rating in ascending order.
thecat2000
Reply #14 Monday, June 25, 2001 5:47 PM
Reply #14 Monday, June 25, 2001 5:47 PM
Ok I will take some time to do this out of fairness for other people I Also understand what you are saying too, but I dont blame the web sites rules for what is happening, and certainly dont hold the admins responsible for any of this. But with those of us with trusted access at Apprentace level and higher, it cannot be garunteed that every one has the maturity or decency to grade work fairly. I think to have these privilages you have to vote on work impartially, and not with predjudice other wise it does not help any one.
Ok, if some one does not like a piece of work this is fair enough but at least let it be for a good reason and not a childish one.
I will take some time to do this out of fairness for other people I Also understand what you are saying too, but I dont blame the web sites rules for what is happening, and certainly dont hold the admins responsible for any of this. But with those of us with trusted access at Apprentace level and higher, it cannot be garunteed that every one has the maturity or decency to grade work fairly. I think to have these privilages you have to vote on work impartially, and not with predjudice other wise it does not help any one.Ok, if some one does not like a piece of work this is fair enough but at least let it be for a good reason and not a childish one.
Jafo
Reply #15 Monday, June 25, 2001 6:43 PM
Reply #15 Monday, June 25, 2001 6:43 PM
Well, I DID grade the Nuvem/Alexandrie XP wall a 10 as an appropriate response to the humour of the situation. It was a very telling experiment to have that piece end up as No.1 download within 2 days....not 20 DL's, not 200 DL's, but 3000+ DL's in 2 days.
Why?
Because it was a great wall [originally] with a competently applied XP logo emblazoned over it prominently.
This experiment was a pure product of the all-things-XP frenzy that had infused the community.
Using Paxx's rating methodology, that wall would just about make it to a 5 or 6, and my versions of XP dross would, on a good day, make it to maybe 1 out of 10. [and were being scored at 10].
But, folks, this was social commentary, nothing more....
As for mature, impartial XP wall scoring, I make it a point not to rate them, so that they won't be victims of subliminal prejudice...
This XP stuff may be popular, but try and see how most of it stacks up against other 'walls' such as Nuvem's 'Lost Souls'...for technical ability, imagination, creativity, emotion, or just plain artistry. It's called perspective. That is why many XP walls, [and others] have a low rating...
Why?
Because it was a great wall [originally] with a competently applied XP logo emblazoned over it prominently.
This experiment was a pure product of the all-things-XP frenzy that had infused the community.
Using Paxx's rating methodology, that wall would just about make it to a 5 or 6, and my versions of XP dross would, on a good day, make it to maybe 1 out of 10. [and were being scored at 10].
But, folks, this was social commentary, nothing more....
As for mature, impartial XP wall scoring, I make it a point not to rate them, so that they won't be victims of subliminal prejudice...
This XP stuff may be popular, but try and see how most of it stacks up against other 'walls' such as Nuvem's 'Lost Souls'...for technical ability, imagination, creativity, emotion, or just plain artistry. It's called perspective. That is why many XP walls, [and others] have a low rating...
thecat2000
Reply #16 Monday, June 25, 2001 7:13 PM
Reply #16 Monday, June 25, 2001 7:13 PM
Quite so Jafo ! I just looked through the Wallpaper section and there is a ton of excellent art work that are just so much better than XP wallpapers. But why arn't they top ? it is because the XP frenzy is not in the community itself it is mostly out in the public.
The comment on maturity and voting impartially to skins and wallpapers was not souly directed at Windows XP shananigans Jafo, I refer this to all things that people post to the community. to this web site. Not JUST to XP. but anything.
I saw what happened over Nuvems wallpaper and of course yes it did show and proove the crayness of the XP phenominon [SP] Jafo ? but as i said before this is down to the power of the public oppinion and demand. But having said this this is what Frogboy also indicated I believe that it is the general feeling that people know it is so popular so do XP stuuf just to be in the top ten.
I cannot say for sure if that is the case, but it is not with me. I was confused and shocked at what happened in my case. This is some thing I had not bargained on. I was acussed of all that going on too. That is why I have said a hundred thousand times already that it was not the case.
Anyway enough of that. But I think some of the XP Authors are getting the hint now anyway. I was of course asked to do the Green whistler skin, but I did that as it was a request from another skinner so I helped. (it's my nature to). Just as i have done before with other skins not XP releated..
The comment on maturity and voting impartially to skins and wallpapers was not souly directed at Windows XP shananigans Jafo,
I refer this to all things that people post to the community. to this web site. Not JUST to XP. but anything.I saw what happened over Nuvems wallpaper and of course yes it did show and proove the crayness of the XP phenominon [SP] Jafo ? but as i said before this is down to the power of the public oppinion and demand. But having said this this is what Frogboy also indicated I believe that it is the general feeling that people know it is so popular so do XP stuuf just to be in the top ten.
I cannot say for sure if that is the case, but it is not with me. I was confused and shocked at what happened in my case. This is some thing I had not bargained on. I was acussed of all that going on too. That is why I have said a hundred thousand times already that it was not the case.
Anyway enough of that. But I think some of the XP Authors are getting the hint now anyway.
I was of course asked to do the Green whistler skin, but I did that as it was a request from another skinner so I helped. (it's my nature to). Just as i have done before with other skins not XP releated..
Jafo
Reply #17 Monday, June 25, 2001 7:41 PM
Reply #17 Monday, June 25, 2001 7:41 PM
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Sylva
Reply #18 Monday, June 25, 2001 9:01 PM
Reply #18 Monday, June 25, 2001 9:01 PM
Cat, I just have one question.
Why is it that everytime someone mentions there being too many XP skins/wallpapers you automatically jump up and act as though you are being personally attacked?
Why is it that everytime someone mentions there being too many XP skins/wallpapers you automatically jump up and act as though you are being personally attacked?
misterME
Reply #19 Monday, June 25, 2001 9:36 PM
Reply #19 Monday, June 25, 2001 9:36 PM
Cat, you're right. There is a demand for all things XP in the public right now. As people happen upon WC, they will most likely be pulled towards the XP stuff, because of it's emminent release and all the MS hype surounding it.
The reason, I think, it gets such low ratings here is that it's being rated by people who are here *every* day, and are simply bombarded with XP this and XP that to the point of being sickened by those two letters and anything related to them.
Let's try this: I used to love pizza. It was my favourite food. Then I got a job delivering pizzas in college. I ate pizza *every* day. Several times a day. You know what? I got sick to death of pizza. I went years after moving on from that job without eating a single slice. Just in the last few years have I regained some of my tolerance for it.
All that being said, everyone who worked with me hated pizza about as much as I did while they worked there. But it was still a *very* popular food to the general public.
See the point I'm making?
Further, the low ratings aren't usually simply thrown out there on anything XP just because it says XP. It's because most of these things aren't really offering anything *new*. If I see a WB XP skin, chances are it'll look like the 50 that have come before it, offering little, if anything, new and improved. If it's an OB skin, same thing; it'll be almost *just* like the WinXP skin that comes with OB. Oh, maybe one color is different, but that's usually it. Why, and I do mean W-H-Y, shouldn't it get a low rating? Even if it took 10 hours, if it's not adding to the community--not offering something new, different, unique--why should it get a good rating? My answer, it shouldn't.
Cat, your XP skins are good. And there are a few others out there whose work is good as well, XP or not. But that counts for a small percentage of the copy-cat (no pun intended) skinners who deluge us with XP crap on a daily basis. Enough is enough.
My $0.02314356
The reason, I think, it gets such low ratings here is that it's being rated by people who are here *every* day, and are simply bombarded with XP this and XP that to the point of being sickened by those two letters and anything related to them.
Let's try this: I used to love pizza. It was my favourite food. Then I got a job delivering pizzas in college. I ate pizza *every* day. Several times a day. You know what? I got sick to death of pizza. I went years after moving on from that job without eating a single slice. Just in the last few years have I regained some of my tolerance for it.
All that being said, everyone who worked with me hated pizza about as much as I did while they worked there. But it was still a *very* popular food to the general public.
See the point I'm making?
Further, the low ratings aren't usually simply thrown out there on anything XP just because it says XP. It's because most of these things aren't really offering anything *new*. If I see a WB XP skin, chances are it'll look like the 50 that have come before it, offering little, if anything, new and improved. If it's an OB skin, same thing; it'll be almost *just* like the WinXP skin that comes with OB. Oh, maybe one color is different, but that's usually it. Why, and I do mean W-H-Y, shouldn't it get a low rating? Even if it took 10 hours, if it's not adding to the community--not offering something new, different, unique--why should it get a good rating? My answer, it shouldn't.
Cat, your XP skins are good. And there are a few others out there whose work is good as well, XP or not. But that counts for a small percentage of the copy-cat (no pun intended) skinners who deluge us with XP crap on a daily basis. Enough is enough.
My $0.02314356
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Reply #1 Monday, June 25, 2001 10:28 AM