Can I get some testers on a WB oddity?
Thursday, September 4, 2003 by eieio | Discussion: Skinning
Brainiac and I have run across a strange thing in my latest WB skin Romulus. On some systems, there is an alignment problem on the StartPanel. On some there is not. We suspect it may have to do with WindowBlinds version.
Can I get some volunteers to download these 2 skins and see if you get the mis-alignment on either and let me know which has the mis-alignment and what version of WB you are using.
I would appreciate any help or feedback.
#1 test skin
http://www.geocities.com/pictoratus/Places150.zip
#2 test skin
http://www.geocities.com/pictoratus/Places152.zip
Since it is Geocities, you may have to right click and 'Save Target as ...' to download these.
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Can I get some volunteers to download these 2 skins and see if you get the mis-alignment on either and let me know which has the mis-alignment and what version of WB you are using.
I would appreciate any help or feedback.
#1 test skin
http://www.geocities.com/pictoratus/Places150.zip
#2 test skin
http://www.geocities.com/pictoratus/Places152.zip
Since it is Geocities, you may have to right click and 'Save Target as ...' to download these.
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I.R. Brainiac
Reply #22 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:07 PM
Reply #22 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:07 PM
Problem is 152 works perfect on some systems and 150 works on others.We are trying to find out WHY.I have WB4 and 152 is perfect.Pictoratus hasWB4.1 and 150 works for him.We cant upload 2 versions of everything!
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #23 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:09 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:09 PM
We need to know what version of WB you have and I suppose XP.I have XP pro and WB4.152 works on mine.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #24 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:10 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:10 PM
Plus you cant fix this with margins.We tried.
Bones2112
Reply #25 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:32 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:32 PM
4.10 (107) wb, xp home,and i adjusted margins for the right panel i imported to 0,38,0,153 and on the left panel i changed to 0,9,8,6 going down in that order, and i am running 1024 x 768 and it works for me!! 
Try these settings please.
Try these settings please.
Bones2112
Reply #26 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:40 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:40 PM
Change the right panel in 152 to the one in 150, in other words, go into 152 and import(browse for new image) in 150's directory for places.bmp and change the settings to above, that should work..
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #27 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:55 PM
Reply #27 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:55 PM
We know how to make it work,...we want to know WHY is it different on different systems.It seems to be one way forWB4 and another for WB4.1.So far everyone with WB4 can use 150.Everyone with WB 4.1 needs 152!This is a major drag when your designing a skin! 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #28 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:01 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:01 PM
To make this perfectly clear...the problem is really how many pixels high is the "more programs " graphic.On my PC (withWB4)it is exactly30 pixels.On pictoratus's PC it is apparently 28 pixels tall.Thats why the 2 versions with a difference of 2 pixels.We want to know which version works on your PC and what version of WB's you have.
Bones2112
Reply #29 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:06 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:06 PM
now i'm just tryin to help and i can use both versions since i changed the image in 152. before i did this, it was offset like you said,and could only use 150!! but if you have your start panel with images of two different proportions of course it is going to be different, ie. (150 measures 190 x 150) and (152's panel measures out to 190 x 152). make both versions the same and see what happens... didn't mean to say that you did not know how to make it work!!
Koasati
Reply #30 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:10 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:10 PM
WB4.10.010 ............ XP Home/SP1 ............ 150 works for me.
Bones2112
Reply #31 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:11 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:11 PM
more programs image isn't what is messed up, its the right side places.bmp that is different in each one
just checked to make sure, and both of those images are the same(more program image) check the right panel in each version and you will see they are different sizes!!
just checked to make sure, and both of those images are the same(more program image) check the right panel in each version and you will see they are different sizes!!
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #32 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:22 PM
Reply #32 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:22 PM
Bones your not getting this for some reason but thanks for trying.Thanks Koasati!
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #33 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:31 PM
Reply #33 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:31 PM
They are different in each one on purpose.It is the height of the more programs graphic that we are trying to line up TO.(with the different "programs "graphics.)(thats why one is called 150 and one is called 152).If the "more programs graphic is 28 pixels tall then the "150 "version works.If it is 30 (like on myPC),then it HAS to be the 152 version.We think its because I am still using WB4,not 4.1.Now does it make sense? 
Bones2112
Reply #34 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:40 PM
Reply #34 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:40 PM
ok i see what you trying to say but, when i downloaded each one of them, the graphic for the more program section is the same in each, i did not get the one with the 2 pixel difference from you links, no wonder i will change the size of the graphic and see what you are talking about, i sent the version of yours to brainiac to show what i did to make both work on my comp
i will change the size of the graphic and see what you are talking about, i sent the version of yours to brainiac to show what i did to make both work on my comp
Bones2112
Reply #35 Friday, September 5, 2003 12:02 AM
Reply #35 Friday, September 5, 2003 12:02 AM
ok i just sent you a graphic to put into 150 along with the 28 pixel more prog graphic, and use these sizing margin settings 0, 170, 2, 36 for the places graphic and 150 and 152 now work on my system with either the 28 or 30, thats all i can do to help sorry...
MarkMcQ
Reply #36 Friday, September 5, 2003 3:20 AM
Reply #36 Friday, September 5, 2003 3:20 AM
The latest version of WB now support fully dynamic Start Panel areas. You can have them whatever size you want, and the latest Skinstudio supports the attributes for specifying the sizes.
eieio
Reply #37 Friday, September 5, 2003 4:30 AM
Reply #37 Friday, September 5, 2003 4:30 AM
I probably caused this confusion by having Places150 and Places152 both use a MoreProg size of 30.
Here's where it started:
Romulus is sized like this
Prog is 190X122
MoreProg is 190X28
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 190 (This is the left side of the UserPanel)
Places is 190X150
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 190 (This is the right side of the UserPanel)
The alignment is correct on mine (I'm using WB4.1) but it is not aligned on Brainiacs and others (Brainiac is using WB4.0)
He resized the pieces like this:
Prog is 190X122
MoreProg is 190X30
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 192 (This is the left side of the UserPanel)
Places is 190X152
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 192 (This is the right side of the UserPanel)
This makes the alignment correct on his but mis-aligned on mine. I took the Places back down to 150 high but left the MoreProg at 30 and it was aligned on mine. Now this was odd because that left the right and left sides of the UserPanel at 190 and 192 high respectively. Doesn't seem that it should have worked, but it did on mine. It was mis-aligned on his with that odd sizing.
So, as Brainiac said, we were trying to correlate the problem to WB version. We can fix the problem to work, but need to know what works for what system or version. My theory is that WB versions earlier than 4.1 must have a MoreProg graphic of 30 high for proper alignment, but 4.1 needs 28 high.
I've been using the UserPanel template provided by Hippy (thanks, Hippy!) but this is the first time I've seen this problem come up. But this is also the first time I've made 'edges' to the parts in my UserPanel that didn't correspond to the normal sizes of those items.
So, a better test may be to compare Romulus to Places152 and see which is aligned properly. Then let us know which one worked and what version of WB you are using.
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Here's where it started:
Romulus is sized like this
Prog is 190X122
MoreProg is 190X28
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 190 (This is the left side of the UserPanel)
Places is 190X150
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 190 (This is the right side of the UserPanel)
The alignment is correct on mine (I'm using WB4.1) but it is not aligned on Brainiacs and others (Brainiac is using WB4.0)
He resized the pieces like this:
Prog is 190X122
MoreProg is 190X30
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 192 (This is the left side of the UserPanel)
Places is 190X152
BottomBar is 380X40
making a total height of 192 (This is the right side of the UserPanel)
This makes the alignment correct on his but mis-aligned on mine. I took the Places back down to 150 high but left the MoreProg at 30 and it was aligned on mine. Now this was odd because that left the right and left sides of the UserPanel at 190 and 192 high respectively. Doesn't seem that it should have worked, but it did on mine. It was mis-aligned on his with that odd sizing.
So, as Brainiac said, we were trying to correlate the problem to WB version. We can fix the problem to work, but need to know what works for what system or version. My theory is that WB versions earlier than 4.1 must have a MoreProg graphic of 30 high for proper alignment, but 4.1 needs 28 high.
I've been using the UserPanel template provided by Hippy (thanks, Hippy!) but this is the first time I've seen this problem come up. But this is also the first time I've made 'edges' to the parts in my UserPanel that didn't correspond to the normal sizes of those items.
So, a better test may be to compare Romulus to Places152 and see which is aligned properly. Then let us know which one worked and what version of WB you are using.
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I.R. Brainiac
Reply #38 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:22 AM
Reply #38 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:22 AM
Stephen I think we got them confused.I know I am now.Post#33 should have said "places" instead of "programs" 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #39 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:25 AM
Reply #39 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:25 AM
Crap! it was late...# 27 I got exactly backwards.Stephen ,Im not helping much am I? >
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #40 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:43 AM
Reply #40 Friday, September 5, 2003 8:43 AM
Bones...what your doing works on your PC but not mine.We think it is because of the different WB versions.If you replace the "more programs "graphic with solid black and take a SS,you will see that it dosnt matter what size the original graphic is,WB's will render it at (probably)...28 pixels tall...(because you useWB 4.1).If I do the exact same thing,I get 30 pixels tall.(because I am using WB 4).
This is what is causing a 2 pixel shift in the original romulus WB.It works for WB 4.1 users but not WB 4 users.
This is important for anyone who has overlapping elements in the start menu.(curves and such instead of the normal rectangles)Any WB designed pre 4.1 wont line up correctly the newest version of WB's and vice versa.
To the user it looks like you made a mistake .
This is what is causing a 2 pixel shift in the original romulus WB.It works for WB 4.1 users but not WB 4 users.
This is important for anyone who has overlapping elements in the start menu.(curves and such instead of the normal rectangles)Any WB designed pre 4.1 wont line up correctly the newest version of WB's and vice versa.
To the user it looks like you made a mistake .
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Reply #21 Thursday, September 4, 2003 9:44 PM
i found your problem, in p150 the right side panel is 190 x 150 and in p152 it is 190 x 152, off by two pixels, so i imported the one from 150 to 152 and evrery thing works fine now on my system!!
........ and there ya go! Same here............
