Blog: Aero Skinning, Modelers, and unorthodox skinning...

Wednesday, September 15, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Has anyone noticed that the quality of WindowBlinds visual styles has improved lately? There's been some really great stuff coming from people like MikeB, Boxxi, and many others. With WindowBlinds 4.4 now out for registered/Object Desktop users, it's a perfect storm of good things for users (like me) who are really into this stuff.

One of the internal debates right now is whether to support Aero-style semi-transparencies in borders. We don't know how well it could be done without affecting performance. There's still lots of people who argue (incorrectly) that WindowBlinds is "slow" despite the fact it's faster than what's built into Windows XP.  I can guarantee that there's be some performance hit on all but the latest video cards for semi-transparent borders. It would be non-trivial to go and do this well. My personal feeling is I'd like to see shadows in WindowFX made more seamless. How many of you run with shadows on all the time? If not, why? I don't because I feel (maybe wrongly) that they slow down my computer. I think the first quest is to find a way to make shadows perfect as long as you have a high end video card that has proper drivers. That would be the proof of concept. I do agree that semi transparent window title bars and borders might be cool.  And I have no doubt lots of people would like the feature. The question is merely whether it's feasible or not.

Meanwhile, things are crazy at the office as usual. We're working on buying a building. Right now, we lease our building over in Livonia Michigan. But this Winter, we hope to migrate to a brand new building we're buying. We're very excited about it.  Once we're over there, we'll have more room to start hiring more peple.

Speaking of hiring, we're still in a bit of a world of pain in the art department. We really need a senior level 3D modeler, preferably one with some animation skills (i.e. someone with some serious experience). We have a fantasy strategy game in early development and we're really weak in the 3D modeling of organic things (trolls, orcs, elves, etc.).  So if you know anyone whose really good at modeling things (and I mean really good -- we have good modelers already but we don't have ones who are experienced enough to make convincing organic things fairly quickly) then have them email me ([email protected]).  And no, you can't work from remote (we get a lot of people saying they're happy to work with us, for lots of money, as long as they can work from home, we need someone on hand).

We're working with SkinPlant on a really cool new skin suite called Unorthodox. The idea is to create some truly unique looking skins that approach GUI design from new angles. We hope to have that done by October.  Meanwhile, Mormegil is nearly done with the Utopia icon suite. It's a sequel to his popular Orion icon suite. He's been working on Utopia for over a year now. It's a huge undertaking as there are so many icons in it and he has strived to create something both unique as well as something you'd want to use.  We're hoping that'll come out in October as well -- 2 years after Orion.

Next week, WinCustomize subscribers will be able to start having their own personal pages via the new WC2K5 technology. WC2K5 won't be done next week for subscribers, just the personal home pages. But I think a lot of it will blow people away. The amount of "stuff" there is, frankly, incredibly cool. By the end of September, the beta of WC2K5 will be ready for subscribers.  The full WC2K5 will be a pretty dramatic departure from the WinCustomize of today. It'll be a tabbed interface. Things will be context driven. So when you go to the WindowBlinds library, you'll see the most popular WindowBlinds skins and WindowBlinds authors along with the most recent discussions about WindowBlinds and WindowBlinds tutorials. That's what would appear on the right bar instead of the same stuff on every page.  From a speed point of view, things are really different. Right now, everything on WinCustomize is database drive.  But in WC2K5, there will be a lot of pages cached so that performance should be much higher. 

On Object Desktop, two new components are about to go into alpha/beta -- RightClick should show up next week and Web Explorer (think Internet Explorer with a tabbed interface and some other goodies built in). 

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Surj
Reply #41 Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:18 PM
i have a 3ghz 533 fsb laptop with 768 mb of memory and a mobile gf fx. pc is a 2.8ghz 800 fsb with a gig of memory and a 9700 pro. when i deal with archD paper sizes for posters and large acad files the shadows do have an impact. i assure you, my system is optimized and it is the programs. the shadows also have a few problems with other applications including some opengl programs (not all), it tries to force them into windows when theyre set for full screen. another reason i disable the program occasionally.
danioc
Reply #42 Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:25 PM
NICE!
Surj
Reply #43 Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:25 PM
btw mav, as I said I disable this when my system starts slowing down, im not saying wfx is a direct cause. the shadows use very little resources by themselves, but when your computer starts vibrating from seizures the shadows add another layer of strain, and it does have a noticable relief when its disabled. im not sure if im making that very clear.

regardless, all im asking for is a easy way to turn it on and off without going into properties if complicated transparency shadows (alpha, per pixel, whatever) are included into the program, just as its easy to unload them now.
smoke-tetsu
Reply #44 Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:57 PM
All you would have to do Thornz is just pick a skin that doesn't have per pixel transparency.
smoke-tetsu
Reply #45 Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:59 PM
Just like you can choose to use a skin with animated borders or one that doesn't.
Mav Phoenix
Reply #46 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:01 PM
I understand completely Thornz.
mossedmoon
Reply #47 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:04 PM
Can't wait for mormegil's next suite. I may install a new set of icons, look at 'em for a little bit, say 'nah' and go right back to Orion. As for shadows, I don't use them for the reason stated and they only look right with 90 degree angles. Alpha transparent window borders sounds pretty cool, though...
Surj
Reply #48 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:09 PM
/sigh
i like aero, i run aero skins, and i use winfx. with two clicks i can disable the shadows. why would i want to run a different skin? i dont need this, have a good evenin

/out
smoke-tetsu
Reply #49 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:28 PM
Per pixel borders aren't like shadows as the bitmap is different. It's not like the program does real time antialiasing to the titlebar that toggles on and off done by a seperate program that you can shut off either. A person can include a non 32-bit titlebar for those who want borders as they are right now. Perhaps it could strip out 32-bit as a choice but things could get pretty ugly with that. So I suggested using a substyle that doesn't have 32-bit as a fallback skin. No need to have a meltdown it's just a suggestion.
smoke-tetsu
Reply #50 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:34 PM
Maybe a submenu for the right click desktop menu that allows you to pick from substyles of the current running skin and have a 32-bit substyle and non 32-bit so with 2 clicks you can switch to a non 32-bit version of the same skin.
smoke-tetsu
Reply #51 Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:38 PM
Oh yeah this wouldn't be for shadows anyway this would be to be able to add per pixel effects to the titlebar it'self.
paxx
Reply #52 Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:07 PM
Thornz, I hear you. When something like you describe happens to me, I start closing down everything unnecessary, including Windowblinds, to which I leave the icon in the system tray for that very purpose (being able to disable it quickly).  So, IMO, it wouldn't change much if I was using an antialiased borders skin. I would just disable WB the odd times my computer starts coughing and hacking...
The reason, I'm really in favor of implementing it into WB and not just as a better WinF/WB integration is that my interest is not limited at shadows, but I dream of the day where WB can have nice, smooth edges even on od shapes.
Chi Chi Rodriguez
Reply #53 Friday, September 17, 2004 2:37 AM
Im really excited about stardock considering alpha transparencies. I think its a great idea. Id really like to see it as part of windowblinds so i dont have to buy a separate program.
ethsza
Reply #54 Friday, September 17, 2004 3:05 AM
Transparencies in WB would be a perfect touch. I'm browsing for new aero-glass skins twice a day in the past few weeks. I wish if only WB would support that. Fingers crossed.
Banished
Reply #55 Friday, September 17, 2004 3:16 AM
I'm all for the Aero-look Of course there are even more possibilities than Aero with the transparency feature added, so I think not many will be against it Anyway, I hope Stardock will implement it in the near future
YoshiToshiMark
Reply #56 Friday, September 17, 2004 3:51 AM
really really hope..that this would happen now...windowfx kinda chunky.....
Rskeefer
Reply #57 Friday, September 17, 2004 3:53 AM
Alpha transparencies would be a great option. Stardock can figure any thing out, "Innovation on Demand"....right?!
jcase
Reply #58 Friday, September 17, 2004 4:49 AM
hope, hurry up!
Essencay
Reply #59 Friday, September 17, 2004 5:12 AM
Someone mentioned the idea of a third skin extension UIS3 to support alpha. I think this is the route to go, creating a third skin extension that supports it everywhere, including backgrounds, menus, startmenu, taskbar, etc. Aero aside, I think it would bring back the level of creative and unique skins that we saw in earlier WB skins, while still allowing skinners and users to have streamlined, fast and minimalistic skins that are found in the other extensions UIS2 and UIS1.

Though not necessarily on subject, I would like to see OD+ zoomer and tabbed dock building added to SKSPro. Though these docks are not very hard to build using Notepad, because they use very few images. Being able to see your work as you create it makes SKSPro one of the reasons I think that WB skins are easier to create than let's say DX objects and themes.
RoodVargas
Reply #60 Friday, September 17, 2004 6:03 AM
In my opinion it would be nice to have Aero-style semi-transparencies in borders for WB4. I used WindowFX all the time. In my opinion the Aero-style semi-transparencies in borders should be added,aslo user who's machine aren't fast can turn the feature off.

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