Blog: ObjectDock, pizza, and DesktopX 2.2
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
I've been having a ball with ObjectDock Plus. I've got 4 different docks going on my desktop but you can barely tell because I have itty bitty tabs on 3 of them. The 4th dock I don't have docked to an edge but instead I have it activate when I put my mouse to the very bottom. The biggest glitch I've run into with it is that I can't drag and drop links to a dock (well I can but they don't work). What I want to do is have my "favorite" websites as a series of tiny tabs over on the left edge of my screen. I mostly use Keyboard LaunchPad for getting around my sites (Ctrl-Alt-1 for WinCustomize, 2 for Joeuser.com, 3 for Stardock, 4 for Neowin, and so forth). But what I want to use the docks for is more "temporary" favorite websites. Ones that I want to check out later when I have more time but know I'll forget but don't want to have permanently in my "favorites" list. 
BTW, if you've got a particularly clever ObjectDock Plus setup, take a screenshot and upload it and I'll try to feature some of them in my next WC blog.
One thing that ObjectDock Plus's availability has brought forward is an issue that affects most shareware developers and that is pricing. Go to a shareware conference or just hang out with other shareware authors and the topic is sure to come up: Why does the same guy who happily pays $8 to watch "White Chicks" and spend $4 on pop corn or $18 on two pizzas turn around and bitch about paying $15 to $20 for a software product that took an immense amount of effort to create that they'll be able to make use of for years?
What bugged me the most was the idea that because we have had ObjectDock (freeware) available that we somehow have no right to make a plus version. That somehow we're the greedy ones for wanting to be compensated for years of effort. Rather than being thankful that we make a free program like ObjectDock used by hundreds of thousands of people, one that we continue to update for free, we get guff for putting out a Plus version.
There were also the people who felt ObjectDock should be part of Object Desktop. I could at least, philosophically, understand where they were coming from. I'm not sure at what point Object Desktop came to equal "All of Stardock's stuff in a single package for $50". But my view is, anyone who's paid us $50 for Object Desktop is a customer and we're going to listen to their view point a lot more seriously than the kid who's never contributed anything back but feels entitled to call us greedy for making ObjectDock Plus.
The reason ObjectDock Plus isn't part of Object Desktop is very straight forward: Economics. Object Desktop has something like a dozen and a half programs in it. For $50. And most of these programs are really quite powerful.. I could go on for hours about how DesktopX should be a $100 product on its own given the things it can do for corporations but we target power users and consumers instead so we have to price it appropriately. The bottom line is that Object Desktop is a really really good deal. And it's such a good deal that it's very tough to sustain it even as is at the price it is.
Personally, and correct me if I'm mistaken, I think half the coolness of Object Desktop is that many of the components get very frequent updates. If you bought Object Desktop in say 1999, the main components in it have continually been updated in it year after year after year with more components being added over time. I don't want to name specific products but I suggest checking out other desktop enhancement programs that have come out during that time and note how often they've been updated (or heck, when the last time they were updated). Meanwhile, we've been cranking on DesktopX, WindowBlinds, WindowFX, IconPackager, and other pieces on a regular basis year after year after year. Heck, wait till you see ObjectBar 2. And we're working on some other cool new things too. Point being, this coolness is only possible as long as Object Desktop is economically viable. It's not like we're driving around in Porsches or something. Things that don't remain viable end up fading away.
I think at the end of the day the question is simply are people glad we made ObjectDock Plus? Based on the reaction we're seeing, we think yes. If it hadn't been released the way it is, it would never have been made.
Speaking of new stuff, later this Fall we hope to finally come out with the beta of ThinkDesk. This is an entirely new suite of products. Where Object Desktop is about extending your desktop, ThinkDesk is about managing your information. Pricing will be the same as Object Desktop (though unlike Object Desktop the price will probably go up once it leaves beta). It'll be XP only and we'll be focusing a lot of energy on .NET features.
Meanwhile in Italy, UK, and US where the distributed DesktopX team works, version 2.2 is nearly done. I think a new beta of it showed up on Object Desktop tonight along with IconX which is now separate (but if you have both installed, the IconX tab will show up in DesktopX). We learned from that WinCustomize poll that lots of people had no idea what IconX was. That needs to change as it's (in my biased opinion) one of the coolest programs on Windows.
So that's all for now. Gotta re-setup my crashed laptop. It's running plain Luna right now! Eeew!
Reply #22 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:55 AM
When the tabs are at the left or right screen edge could you please allow the icons to sequence down the draw that appears instead of left to right. Hope that makes sense.
Looking forward to ObjectBar2 as well.
Reply #23 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:05 AM

Reply #24 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:31 AM
It's not like these apps are so far apart in form and function that this can't work. In fact, I would bet you could duplicate the functionality of CC/TLP/OBar right now with the Beta of OD+. It wouldn't be as nice as it could be if Stardock would roll with it, but I think I am getting my point across.
When I say OD+ should be apart of ODNT it has nothing to do with the price. I have gladly paid for just about everything Stardock has done since 1998-9. It's about 2 or 3 of my favorite pieces of ODNT getting barely any inovative changes in about 2 years, and out comes some seperate product that does everything I wanted in both the CC/TLP. Either go back to CC/TLP and get them some nice inovative features or have OD+ replace them in ODNT.
Reply #25 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:00 AM
You're asking to have the docked tabs on the left and right align so they go up and down not the normal left and right, correct?
If so temporarily undock it from the side so you have some room to work, then put your cursor on the edge of the dock, it will show you a resize mouse cursor just like any normal window. You can adjust the size of the edges and manually create one going up and down (or any shape you would like), then you can dock it it will be as it should.
Hope they add an option to make this easier,
Hope that helped
Reply #26 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:31 AM
Now running one tabbed dock dedicated to productivity apps and pc utilities, and two non-tabbed docks (1 for directory links, and one for daily links - IE, Nero, WC, Control Panel, My documents, etc.).
No issues with drag-n-drop any link as long as I wait for the little frame and "+" sign to show.
No issues with not holding new settings as long as I use "save theme as" function in OD config.
I do have a similar request as Sept1mus above. I have been unable to produce a vertical non-tabbed dock on the right or left which actually rotates the background source image.
By this I mean that if a background image is created with a grain or any indication of a left to right draw, then this grain or draw remains left to right even when the dock is resized to create a vertical dock.
Would like to request help with this issue, and/or request this be an option without having to create 2 source images.
Love the app, very helpful.

Reply #27 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:33 AM
Also I agree with dogfacedboy...paying for a beta rubs me the wrong way. I'll more than likely buy OD+ when it's a bona-fide "release", and I'm an OD subscriber, so I'm not some cheap bastard who rails against all software costs, but I think paying for a beta - that following the boards and newsgroups has lots of problems yet - is below even Microsoft's beta test model.
Reply #28 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:50 AM
I think you're missing the point. People are upset because we pay for a OD subscription but we still have to pay extra for some of the software. That kinda negates the subscription definition.
Think of it this way. You pay for a subscription to a magazine. There are many different articles that are in this magazine. But, one day they decide that you need to pay extra for this one article in this one magazine butall of the others are still part of the subscription. What's the point?
I love ObjectDock and I use it every day. ObjectDock + doesn't sound very appealing to me because I have not use for about 90% of the features. All I need is one dock that works. I would gladly give up my subscription to ObjectDesktop and pay for a working version of the original ObjectDock. The bugs that keep getting introduced in each version release are getting really annoying. It seems like hte bugs were introduced just to get us to buy the + version.
Reply #29 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:04 AM
You are a true Warrior Godspeed to you and all involved with these products,
I agree they are worth much more. Keep up the fine work!
Reply #30 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:35 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:00 AM
Well eating cds isnt that much healthy, so id go for the pizza

Reply #32 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:31 AM
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TasT Agrees. I'm all for stardock making money, I just want Brad and the crew to remember where their windows cashflow started, Those of us who have been hooked to ODNT since the start.
I want a TLP that is updated with cool new features.
I still dream of one of the apps being able to take on a NeXT like look with even better functionality.
OB with a less arcane skining method.
Object edit with a tabbed interface.
I am not whining I just believe that a company has to cater to it's existing clientel before hunting new customers.
On a lighter note thanks for the DX2 update finally it doesn't crash after a day or two.

Reply #33 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:42 AM
Most beta's are released free of charge since this absolves the developer of any legal responsiblity.
In otherwords you use beta software at your own risk.
Is there a disclaimer on the installation of od+ ?
Reply #34 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:17 AM
| BTW I do believe that OD+ is worth the money I just get tired ot the excuses... |
Excuses? How about this straight forward one: What comes with Object Desktop is listed on the Object Desktop page. Feel free to find a link on Object Desktop that implies that users automatically get whatever we get.  CursorXP came out over 3 years ago and at the time it was a very close call on whether we included it in ODNT or not.
But a LOT has changed in Object Desktop since then.
Reply #35 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:33 AM
BTW, it's interesting that quite a number of the critics are level 2 users (i.e. haven't ever purchased anything).
Like I said previously, we take very seriously the opinions of Object Desktop users.
And the idea behind Object Desktop is that yes, it's sold as a subscription but that doesn't make it "Stardock Ala carte". 
Tab LaunchPad has had a couple of updates this year for instance. ObjectBar 2 is a complete rewrite which is why it's taken so long.  We have a new ODNT component due out at the end of August called RightClick. 
And anyone who's saying they've never seen anyone "charge to use the beta" is obviously very new around here.  ODNT itself was in beta for over a year before release.
And if you find regular ObjectDock "buggy" then me thinks you should go find a new product because regular ObjectDock is pretty solid as far as we're concerned.   By all means, try out Moby Dock http://www.mobydock.com/.   The fastest way to alienate developers is to tell them that they need to "finish" something that's been released.
Like I said before, if we could afford to, we'd make everything free.  But we can't. 
Reply #36 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:43 AM

Reply #37 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:45 PM
Reply #38 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:54 PM
Bad analogy - more like you're subscribing to a magazine, and the company that produces the magazine decides to produce a few books along the way, and you're whining that your magazine subscription doesn't automatically entitle you to get the books for free? You're getting a 25% discount on it - what more do you want?
And just for the record - I'm a cheap-ass user, ObjectDock (free), DesktopX in "free" mode, WindowBlinds in "nag" mode, and while I wish ObjectDock Plus was free, I'm not whining about it.
Reply #40 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:25 PM
I have something to say here...
I feel there is a pattern developing here. Basically a 'de facto' "Free Object Desktop Network" is being created due to this pattern of creating "free apps" then making a "plus" version. If this pattern continues then in the future I can just cancel my Object Desktop subscription and instead use all of the "free apps" that are available. The incentive to renew my subscription is constantly decreasing due to this cannilbalizing of Object Desktop. For example It irks me that this Objectdock Plus functionality could have been integrated into Object Bar but wasn't. Also there are just "certain" apps that I "really" use in Object Desktop such as: Windowblinds, Iconpackager, DesktopX, Theme Manager, and WindowFX. Why not include CursorXP Plus and Objectdock Plus as part of Object Desktop Network and then just charge a straight $50 per year every year subscription. But please don't cannibalize Object Desktop Network by creating a de facto "Free Object Desktop" by releasing all of these "free" apps just so you can release "Plus" apps with functionality that should have been included into Object Desktop to begin with. If this pattern continues then why wouldn't people cancel their subscriptions and just use all of the "free" apps that you have made available? If you want to keep Object Desktop on the cutting edge and give people a strong incentive to renew their subscription then perhaps you can consider this?
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Reply #21 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:29 AM
Feature Request:
1. I am disappointed that plus does not zoom in on the icons. Zoomer please
2. Built in KK Menu option!
3. Less CPU usage!