Blog: ObjectDock, pizza, and DesktopX 2.2
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
I've been having a ball with ObjectDock Plus. I've got 4 different docks going on my desktop but you can barely tell because I have itty bitty tabs on 3 of them. The 4th dock I don't have docked to an edge but instead I have it activate when I put my mouse to the very bottom. The biggest glitch I've run into with it is that I can't drag and drop links to a dock (well I can but they don't work). What I want to do is have my "favorite" websites as a series of tiny tabs over on the left edge of my screen. I mostly use Keyboard LaunchPad for getting around my sites (Ctrl-Alt-1 for WinCustomize, 2 for Joeuser.com, 3 for Stardock, 4 for Neowin, and so forth). But what I want to use the docks for is more "temporary" favorite websites. Ones that I want to check out later when I have more time but know I'll forget but don't want to have permanently in my "favorites" list. 
BTW, if you've got a particularly clever ObjectDock Plus setup, take a screenshot and upload it and I'll try to feature some of them in my next WC blog.
One thing that ObjectDock Plus's availability has brought forward is an issue that affects most shareware developers and that is pricing. Go to a shareware conference or just hang out with other shareware authors and the topic is sure to come up: Why does the same guy who happily pays $8 to watch "White Chicks" and spend $4 on pop corn or $18 on two pizzas turn around and bitch about paying $15 to $20 for a software product that took an immense amount of effort to create that they'll be able to make use of for years?
What bugged me the most was the idea that because we have had ObjectDock (freeware) available that we somehow have no right to make a plus version. That somehow we're the greedy ones for wanting to be compensated for years of effort. Rather than being thankful that we make a free program like ObjectDock used by hundreds of thousands of people, one that we continue to update for free, we get guff for putting out a Plus version.
There were also the people who felt ObjectDock should be part of Object Desktop. I could at least, philosophically, understand where they were coming from. I'm not sure at what point Object Desktop came to equal "All of Stardock's stuff in a single package for $50". But my view is, anyone who's paid us $50 for Object Desktop is a customer and we're going to listen to their view point a lot more seriously than the kid who's never contributed anything back but feels entitled to call us greedy for making ObjectDock Plus.
The reason ObjectDock Plus isn't part of Object Desktop is very straight forward: Economics. Object Desktop has something like a dozen and a half programs in it. For $50. And most of these programs are really quite powerful.. I could go on for hours about how DesktopX should be a $100 product on its own given the things it can do for corporations but we target power users and consumers instead so we have to price it appropriately. The bottom line is that Object Desktop is a really really good deal. And it's such a good deal that it's very tough to sustain it even as is at the price it is.
Personally, and correct me if I'm mistaken, I think half the coolness of Object Desktop is that many of the components get very frequent updates. If you bought Object Desktop in say 1999, the main components in it have continually been updated in it year after year after year with more components being added over time. I don't want to name specific products but I suggest checking out other desktop enhancement programs that have come out during that time and note how often they've been updated (or heck, when the last time they were updated). Meanwhile, we've been cranking on DesktopX, WindowBlinds, WindowFX, IconPackager, and other pieces on a regular basis year after year after year. Heck, wait till you see ObjectBar 2. And we're working on some other cool new things too. Point being, this coolness is only possible as long as Object Desktop is economically viable. It's not like we're driving around in Porsches or something. Things that don't remain viable end up fading away.
I think at the end of the day the question is simply are people glad we made ObjectDock Plus? Based on the reaction we're seeing, we think yes. If it hadn't been released the way it is, it would never have been made.
Speaking of new stuff, later this Fall we hope to finally come out with the beta of ThinkDesk. This is an entirely new suite of products. Where Object Desktop is about extending your desktop, ThinkDesk is about managing your information. Pricing will be the same as Object Desktop (though unlike Object Desktop the price will probably go up once it leaves beta). It'll be XP only and we'll be focusing a lot of energy on .NET features.
Meanwhile in Italy, UK, and US where the distributed DesktopX team works, version 2.2 is nearly done. I think a new beta of it showed up on Object Desktop tonight along with IconX which is now separate (but if you have both installed, the IconX tab will show up in DesktopX). We learned from that WinCustomize poll that lots of people had no idea what IconX was. That needs to change as it's (in my biased opinion) one of the coolest programs on Windows.
So that's all for now. Gotta re-setup my crashed laptop. It's running plain Luna right now! Eeew!
Reply #2 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:16 PM
Reply #3 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:17 PM
And Frogboy, I for one LOVE OD+ and am having a blast with it. I really can't wait for these new apps, any idea when ObjectBar 2 will be out?
Anyway, keep up the awesome work.

Reply #4 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:17 PM
Cheers!
Reply #5 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:26 PM
Reply #6 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:38 PM
Object Desktop has some amazing and fun applications all of which I have tried and am running with the exception of WindowsFX (which is only due to my onboard graphics not being up to the task).
Will soon build a PC from the ground up with a strong focus on being capable of running the complete suite of Stardock programs including the fabulous ObjectDock Plus - while running some graphic editing programs and being online at the same time.
From all I have seen and experienced with Stardock's programs, this should easily be within reach.
Thanks a million for the great opportunity to enhance and extend my desktop experience. Looking forward to the updates and coming attractions with great anticipation.
A dedicated customer.

Reply #7 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:56 PM

Reply #8 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:35 PM
That said, OB+ looks pretty cool I'll have to try it.
Reply #9 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:50 PM
Reply #10 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:18 PM
It is no different than those who whine about the limit on their downloads from WC. You just cannot get away from folks who think everything should be free. Ignore them and keep up the good work.
Oh, and any idea on a release for Object Bar 2? The current version has a lot of potential, but I don't think it has beem realized yet. Looking forward to updates.
Reply #11 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:17 PM
....ThinkDesk....very interesting.
Reply #12 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:11 PM
I just installed OD+.... this is incredible. Definitely worth 15 bucks. Wow.
Reply #13 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:20 PM
I have supported stardock since near the start of ODNT even bought a wincusto account that I never use ( don't like the browser thing). And now I hear Brad try to use big words to explain to a bunch of kids why he did something.
Brad it's getting old.
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Reply #14 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:44 PM
Reply #15 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:49 PM
Not that you don't deserve to: StarDock fronts the majority of the funding for WinCustomize, and may even contribute server space (I have no idea). In favor of objectivity and respect for the WC community, which has grown larger than just the nice StarDock products, I'd recommend simply moving these front-page journals somewhere less conspicuous.

Reply #16 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:03 AM
Anyway people will always moan about something no matter what is done so it's best to just ignore them a lot of the time.
Reply #17 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 1:33 AM
Reply #18 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:12 AM
| Rather than being thankful that we make a free program like ObjectDock used by hundreds of thousands of people, one that we continue to update for free, we get guff for putting out a Plus version. |
I am extremly gratefull that the "one that we CONTINUE to update" is not past tense. I only hoped there would be a word WILL also.
As for those who question the charging thing, I dont think they are concerned with the "charging" part. I am concerned for the "carging for the BETA" part.
With remaining memory leaks and 100% CPU usage issues in OD classic, you guys jump and just create a new work-in-progress.
You finish OD classic, I'll kick in my pizza money. So far, I'm greatfull for what I have, but hedging my bets...
Reply #20 Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:04 AM
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Reply #1 Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:05 PM
How do we run IX seperatley from DX?