Internet collapsing?
Wednesday, September 3, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Wow, something's happening on the net this week.
Worldwide Internet traffic is distinctly down for the past couple of days even as response time gets worse and packet loss grows.
Whoever wrote those worm viruses needs to be shot.
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Chuckf1
Reply #22 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:51 AM
Reply #22 Thursday, September 4, 2003 11:51 AM
I think that Lightstar is being way too soft on these creeps. Gut-eating maggots just isn't severe enough---they should be eaten alive by piranhas. And mean piranhas at that! >
Seriously, I have no problem sending these worm and virus writers to jail----look at the mayhem they create, and on a huge scale, affecting both personal and business users of the internet.
Seriously, I have no problem sending these worm and virus writers to jail----look at the mayhem they create, and on a huge scale, affecting both personal and business users of the internet.
Whispa
Reply #23 Thursday, September 4, 2003 2:18 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, September 4, 2003 2:18 PM
"Virus???what the hell is a virus????and how can it crash a properly setup computer???????Seems to me to many ignorant people dont know how to use the net and their computer correctly if these are such an issue...Its better off that those people are not online because of their inabiltyi to control their own system they are infecting and passing it around...I am specifficaly going for a Bachloers in Network security just because I feel that so many people out there are creating a huge demand for it...TURN AUTO UPDATE ON AND USE IT!!!!!!!!! BUY ANTI VIRUS SOFTWARE AND USE IT>>>people who use pirated copies of OS and Virus software like norton are going to get a bug.....Steal MP3s not OS and virus software...I knopw so many ppl using pirated Win XP and Norto0n..tThen they get infgected.....Spread nthe word not the bug.... " by Drop125
Read this again...
Sorry lighstar, but your kinda sick.
Read this again...
Sorry lighstar, but your kinda sick.
wombatDK
Reply #24 Thursday, September 4, 2003 3:22 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, September 4, 2003 3:22 PM
Personally, I think that people in general just are not educated enough. They click on everything they see, including spamvertisements, yet complain about spam in their inboxes.
Same with that worm and various viruses. They all strive on the carelessness of users AND IT DEPARTMENTS. Both are to blame. Bashing M$ for making crappy software is all nice and dandy, but it doesn't help the problem at all. There have been serious security flaws in pretty much any major OS and major software. The crucial part is that they get fixed fast: by the manufacturer with a patch, by the IT departments and end-users by installing that patch.
Let me point out that the patch against the exploit used by the blaster worm was out WEEKS (about a month actually) before the worm hit. The sobig worm mostly relies on stupidity - people mindlessly clicking on attachments.
I'd bet I could write a program that exploits all of the abovementioned stupidities and smash the net to smithereens. Think about it... write a worm that propagates passively, by piggybacking on valid TCP/IP traffic. It would fool many firewalls. The ones where it would open a dialogbox for the users... well... ever wondered what happens if a worm looks for these dialogs and does the "confirm allow" on his own? A cleverly written worm would go undetected for a long, long time. In fact, with a good polymorphic function in it, it's rather hard to write reliable detection routines for it.
In my opinion, until someone bold (yes, BOLD) enough to attempt a REALLY nasty worm gets their mind to it, we haven't seen the end of it.
I'd give a MEDAL to whoever wrote the blaster worm. Now people hopefully get a LITTLE more security conscious. For the next few weeks at least - until the latest soap opera gets more important again.
Same with that worm and various viruses. They all strive on the carelessness of users AND IT DEPARTMENTS. Both are to blame. Bashing M$ for making crappy software is all nice and dandy, but it doesn't help the problem at all. There have been serious security flaws in pretty much any major OS and major software. The crucial part is that they get fixed fast: by the manufacturer with a patch, by the IT departments and end-users by installing that patch.
Let me point out that the patch against the exploit used by the blaster worm was out WEEKS (about a month actually) before the worm hit. The sobig worm mostly relies on stupidity - people mindlessly clicking on attachments.
I'd bet I could write a program that exploits all of the abovementioned stupidities and smash the net to smithereens. Think about it... write a worm that propagates passively, by piggybacking on valid TCP/IP traffic. It would fool many firewalls. The ones where it would open a dialogbox for the users... well... ever wondered what happens if a worm looks for these dialogs and does the "confirm allow" on his own? A cleverly written worm would go undetected for a long, long time. In fact, with a good polymorphic function in it, it's rather hard to write reliable detection routines for it.
In my opinion, until someone bold (yes, BOLD) enough to attempt a REALLY nasty worm gets their mind to it, we haven't seen the end of it.
I'd give a MEDAL to whoever wrote the blaster worm. Now people hopefully get a LITTLE more security conscious. For the next few weeks at least - until the latest soap opera gets more important again.
MadIce
Reply #25 Thursday, September 4, 2003 3:35 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, September 4, 2003 3:35 PM
I have never seen so much hate in a thread on WC. It disgusts me. Why is there no admin that deletes this thread.
Snowman
Reply #26 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:24 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:24 PM
I agree with MI! Just because someone wrote a piece of 'bad' software damn well aint reason for killing them - stop this utter stupidity!
GreenReaper
Reply #27 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:31 PM
Reply #27 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:31 PM
Isn't it? *puts on devil's advocate hat . . .*
How much time have these people taken up? I reckon it has to be at least an average of five minutes for each internet user. How many complete lives does that total? If they take our time, shouldn't we take theirs?
How much time have these people taken up? I reckon it has to be at least an average of five minutes for each internet user. How many complete lives does that total? If they take our time, shouldn't we take theirs?
MadIce
Reply #28 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:36 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:36 PM
If you think you can lure me in a discussion you are wrong. I read hatred and nothing but hatred. No common sense at all.
MadIce
Reply #29 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:42 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:42 PM
BTW: I rather have you word your own opnion. Do not hide it by playing the devils advocate.
Snowman
Reply #30 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:54 PM
Reply #30 Thursday, September 4, 2003 4:54 PM
GR, we're not talking about time here, we're talking about someones lifes
Styl-X Design
Reply #31 Thursday, September 4, 2003 5:13 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, September 4, 2003 5:13 PM
I hate it, got about 60 e-mails in 12 hours, I am also getting a lot of 'work' mail, so its really a pain...
lets shoot them indeed. (3 times preferely
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lets shoot them indeed. (3 times preferely
)
GreenReaper
Reply #32 Thursday, September 4, 2003 5:26 PM
Reply #32 Thursday, September 4, 2003 5:26 PM
Snowman: That's exactly what I am talking about. What is someone's life but the sum of their time on this earth?
If you take away people's time, you take away part of their life. I and others want it back. Failing that, I want to stop anyone else taking some of it. If that means taking one person's life to stop others doing the same thing, then maybe that's what it takes.
Madice: Truly? I don't hate it that much, but I do think that people should be really hurt for doing it. You seem to be so against killing people for it I thought "why not?".
If you take away people's time, you take away part of their life. I and others want it back. Failing that, I want to stop anyone else taking some of it. If that means taking one person's life to stop others doing the same thing, then maybe that's what it takes.
Madice: Truly? I don't hate it that much, but I do think that people should be really hurt for doing it. You seem to be so against killing people for it I thought "why not?".
MadIce
Reply #33 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:07 PM
Reply #33 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:07 PM
Reaper: I have a tip for you. Don't become a programmer. In that profession you will be wasting people's time by making bugs. Sooner or later they want you to be shot. Sounds fair doesn't it?
BradNewell
Reply #34 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:33 PM
Reply #34 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:33 PM
Hey...here is a shot in the dark. For all of you that have such a problem with MS and all these rampant virii, why not change to linux? 
JointMaker
Reply #35 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:42 PM
Reply #35 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:42 PM
I think Linux should take over as the predominant OS, should be taught as the prevalent programming platform in every junior college in the world. Then IT would be the virus platform of choice for every idle boy who has no social life.
BradNewell
Reply #36 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:50 PM
Reply #36 Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:50 PM
Linux will never become the predominant platform. Why? Simple...it is not userfriendy enough for your average user and bored house-wife. Many require spoon-feeding and crayon colouring when it comes to using computers and the net. There will always be virii and security problems but as perviously stated ; if people took warnings seriously, paid for decent anti-virus programs and instead of whining about the problems this or that virus creates, educate themselves about them and thus at least attempt to cease further spreading.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Just my 2 cents worth.
GreenReaper
Reply #37 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:17 PM
Reply #37 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:17 PM
Madice: Why did you think I'm always so careful about ease-of-use? If it's nice to use they don't mind even if it has a few oddities.
messybuu
Reply #38 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:24 PM
Reply #38 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:24 PM
I like to look at motives as to why people do these things. If the virus creators created virii and worms to feed their starving families or to impress a babe, then I'd feel that although they did bad things, that they are not necessarily bad people. However, as we all know, no woman finds somebody who can make a virus cool, so there isn't any actual motive except the motive of destruction, just like with vandalism. Therefore, their actions are just pure evil.
Drop125
Reply #39 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:48 PM
Reply #39 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:48 PM
Let me point out that the patch against the exploit used by the blaster worm was out WEEKS (about a month actually) before the worm hit. The sobig worm mostly relies on stupidity - people mindlessly clicking on attachments. by Wombat
Exactley I had all the patches for Blaster in Early July if not before...Ive even chewed my own mother out also for including me on chain emails...Wanna get a bug..Participate in chain mails and click pon the attachments....Those Jesus loves you email chains are big to attach a virus onto....I never fowARD any of that stuff either... And Blaming Microsoft is not the answer...No OS is Secure..This means all those Linux users also....Just linux users are4 generally smarter that is why they usally never get bugs in the first nplace...
Exactley I had all the patches for Blaster in Early July if not before...Ive even chewed my own mother out also for including me on chain emails...Wanna get a bug..Participate in chain mails and click pon the attachments....Those Jesus loves you email chains are big to attach a virus onto....I never fowARD any of that stuff either...
And Blaming Microsoft is not the answer...No OS is Secure..This means all those Linux users also....Just linux users are4 generally smarter that is why they usally never get bugs in the first nplace...
Drop125
Reply #40 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:51 PM
Reply #40 Thursday, September 4, 2003 7:51 PM
This guy is so right on it scares me...
Linux will never become the predominant platform. Why? Simple...it is not userfriendy enough for your average user and bored house-wife. Many require spoon-feeding and crayon colouring when it comes to using computers and the net. There will always be virii and security problems but as perviously stated ; if people took warnings seriously, paid for decent anti-virus programs and instead of whining about the problems this or that virus creates, educate themselves about them and thus at least attempt to cease further spreading.
Just my 2 cents worth.
by Citizen BradNewell Thursday, September 04, 2003
You got a cookie from me bro!!!!
Linux will never become the predominant platform. Why? Simple...it is not userfriendy enough for your average user and bored house-wife. Many require spoon-feeding and crayon colouring when it comes to using computers and the net. There will always be virii and security problems but as perviously stated ; if people took warnings seriously, paid for decent anti-virus programs and instead of whining about the problems this or that virus creates, educate themselves about them and thus at least attempt to cease further spreading.
Just my 2 cents worth.
by Citizen BradNewell Thursday, September 04, 2003
You got a cookie from me bro!!!!
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Reply #21 Thursday, September 4, 2003 10:55 AM