Boot Screens and Legal Issues...

Tuesday, August 12, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

In our last poll we asked you what section would you like WinCustomize to add the most.  With about 1100 people voting it was pretty clear:


BOOT SCREENS: ~40%
Trillian: 22%
Other: 16%
The Rest: 24%


Many other customization related sites support boot screens. But there's a problem. Most boot screens are actually pirated software. Which is ironic because the same person who would never consider clicking on an attachment would happily replace their WINDOWS KERNEL.


The way you replace your boot screen on Windows XP is to replace the graphic images in the Windows XP kernel. So many, if not most, boot screens on various sites actually contain a copy of the Windows XP kernel. 


In a community that values intellectual property as ours does or at least says it does, we just can't reconcile this. How can we morally or ethically be against ripping while allowing people to submit files that contain the Windows XP kernel? It's in essence software piracy.


This has been a difficult decision for us because we want to serve the needs of our users and skinners. And with 40% of you wanting this section, it's pretty temping. I mean think about it, nearly half the people who responded to the poll want boot screens.


Not having boot screens hurts the popularity of our site so you can see the dilemna. 


Now, if someone knows of a way to apply a boot screen in such a way where the boot screen submitted doesn't need to contain the NT kernel please respond here and let us know. We're perfectly okay with having a boot screen section if the submitted files contain just the graphics needed to do so. Perhaps someone has written a program that can apply those images to the system.


In the meantime, we will be looking at adding other sections including perhaps a Trillian section. Are there enough Trillian skinners here interested in submitting their work to get a section going? Let us know. Thanks!

First Previous Page 3 of 3 Next Last
TasT
Reply #41 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:05 PM
Why are we having this discussion?

If it's not safe or legal then don't put up a section for it.

Also wasn't it froggy who was fussing about bandwidth just a few days ago?
Put a Boot section up and more will come but, will more buy Stardock products? Most likly not and if they don't then the bandwidth bill goes up and we hear more fussing about that...

If you want to add a new section that will be of use put up detailed documentation for the skinning formats that are used for the proggies on wincustomize...
dhSIMON
Reply #42 Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:42 AM
The point i was getting at was that you don't need a freaking "Free Boot Editor." You can use any already existing winodows resource hacking tool. That is what I said. So there is nothing people are buying. It was free in the first place....screw this this discussion is going in circles.
SelfExiled
Reply #43 Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:50 AM
Yes Frogboy, as someone mentioned before, Rainlender is a free skinnable calender. Sysmetrix artist don5318 is using it to compliment his sysmetrix skin. An example is here https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=28&SkinID=744
Other artists have used it in ToonXP and integrated into DesktopX to compliment those themes.
There is a Universe Metal Rainlender skin here as a good example too. http://www.skinbase.org/section.php?sections=rainlendar (halfway down the page)

Quicknote is a free, simple to make skinnable notepad, that pops up with a push of a small button(two states). Some popular WB artists here have created quicknote skins to compliment their wb themes(Blue grid by Boxxi? is one). I have used them in my sysmetrix themes. I had matching quicknote skins in all of my Corona II sysmetrix skins(New expanded pak coming soon). The good thing about quicknotes is that the notes never disappear from the small notes window, until erased, even when the computer is completely turned off. But, it uses very little resources.

Quicknote program is here http://www.lowdimension.net/

Rainlender program is here http://vapaa.dc.inet.fi/~rainy/


honz12
Reply #44 Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:01 AM
I'd love to see the Trillian section (It was my first choice) and I'd be willing to upload all my skins for Trillian to this site. http://www.honz12.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/skins/?dir=TrillianSkins
Jafo
Reply #45 Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:50 AM
Anyone with a copy of the Windows OS [any version] can read for themselves the EULA....and if they also manage to comprehend it will discover that reverse engineering and/or decompiling of the Microsoft product is not....how shall I put it.....permitted...
Drop125
Reply #46 Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:32 PM
Exactely Not permitted...As in if you want to do it..You need permision...Im not typing this with an attitude or to be malisiouse (sp) ..Its just that I know for a fact you can c9ontact a department at microsoft for this exact reason..thats all..Im sure the benefit of an Bootscreen app for ppl who would crash their system would be a smarter route..Im not trying to be mean or bash..Its just no one is trying to discuss a logical chain of process..I have to do everything by the book when I decompile...Im just trying to point out that its not that hard to get permission..as for that if Stardock did it for free just like CurserXP..Then I boot utility created by such an Award winning desighn staff such as Stardock should be an easy thing to get rolling..Now Im not comparing curser XP to a boot editor...They both are diffrent forms of an app..Just try to understand you really only see the boot for about 10 seconds so Why really go to that much effort..It seems 40% just are stuck on 10seconds of their computing experince...
joda
Reply #47 Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:58 AM
I have to agree with the majority. Considering the gains, messing with the kernel seems sort of an unnecessary and unwise risk to take.
Drop125
Reply #48 Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:32 PM
Um to point out when I logged on today..It seems that their is an article posted about WB4..Seems STARDOCK...has been Licensed before for doing MSSTyles or Skinning Windows..NOW if it IS SUCH A PROBLEM TO WORK WITH MICRTOSOFT ON THIS THEN HOW DID THEY GET LICENSEDC BY SO MANY HUGE CORPORATIONS...I noticed Dell, WarnerBrothers also were listed...HHMmmmm..Seems somebody re3ally doesnt want to add boot screens and a quality approved boot sacreen editor to their line up???Wouldnt it????Just pointing out the facts..Posted By Stardock...
eidylon
Reply #49 Friday, August 15, 2003 12:46 PM
Personally, i dont think its worth the hassle for 3 seconds of pretty picture...
BUT... from what i hear, if the screens are simply bmps matching certain criteria of size and color depth than i see a happy solution in some of the posts above...
Make a subsection of the Wallpapers section (or its own section), with one of those checkboxes on the page top for "Boot Images" which should meet the necessary criteria.
This way, the users get what they are looking for and Stardock does not have to worry at all about legal stuff . The only IP concerns would be the same ones as any other images in any other skin.
Problems solved, peaceful company & happy users.
nikebball87
Reply #50 Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:26 PM
I know I'd like to see a Trillian section, and I would definately upload my Trillian skins.
MDonoughe
Reply #51 Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:11 AM
I have been using a free boot screen editor for 2000 and xp. You can get it here: http://www.tofahrn.de/tools .
alicizmar
Reply #52 Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:20 PM
Odd Borg's idea is the best I've seen yet IMO.

Please login to comment and/or vote for this skin.

Welcome Guest! Please take the time to register with us.
There are many great features available to you once you register, including:

  • Richer content, access to many features that are disabled for guests like commenting on the forums and downloading skins.
  • Access to a great community, with a massive database of many, many areas of interest.
  • Access to contests & subscription offers like exclusive emails.
  • It's simple, and FREE!



web-wc01