Boot Screens and Legal Issues...

Tuesday, August 12, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

In our last poll we asked you what section would you like WinCustomize to add the most.  With about 1100 people voting it was pretty clear:


BOOT SCREENS: ~40%
Trillian: 22%
Other: 16%
The Rest: 24%


Many other customization related sites support boot screens. But there's a problem. Most boot screens are actually pirated software. Which is ironic because the same person who would never consider clicking on an attachment would happily replace their WINDOWS KERNEL.


The way you replace your boot screen on Windows XP is to replace the graphic images in the Windows XP kernel. So many, if not most, boot screens on various sites actually contain a copy of the Windows XP kernel. 


In a community that values intellectual property as ours does or at least says it does, we just can't reconcile this. How can we morally or ethically be against ripping while allowing people to submit files that contain the Windows XP kernel? It's in essence software piracy.


This has been a difficult decision for us because we want to serve the needs of our users and skinners. And with 40% of you wanting this section, it's pretty temping. I mean think about it, nearly half the people who responded to the poll want boot screens.


Not having boot screens hurts the popularity of our site so you can see the dilemna. 


Now, if someone knows of a way to apply a boot screen in such a way where the boot screen submitted doesn't need to contain the NT kernel please respond here and let us know. We're perfectly okay with having a boot screen section if the submitted files contain just the graphics needed to do so. Perhaps someone has written a program that can apply those images to the system.


In the meantime, we will be looking at adding other sections including perhaps a Trillian section. Are there enough Trillian skinners here interested in submitting their work to get a section going? Let us know. Thanks!

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kenwas
Reply #1 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:36 AM
Well done, and well said. The moral integrity is welcomed and refreshing. IMHO, you have done the right thing and at the end of the day, the cream always rises to the top.
ZiUL
Reply #2 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:59 AM
Humm... you may be interested in this little program http://www.bootxp.net/index.htm
Judge
Reply #3 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:06 PM
Quite. BootXP. This was mentioned in responses to your original article on this topic.
paxx
Reply #4 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:09 PM
Yes, indeed, it seems that BootXP can save and apply bootscreens without the NTOSKRNL.EXE file, as a zipped INI and BMPs I think.
nocool
Reply #5 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:09 PM
[drivel]

After reading the entire last thread on this subject through a few times, I've come to the conclusion that your supporting boot screens in any form may not be the best idea. Why? Well, why go through a mine field, when you can walk around (or use BootXP to fly over ). Visitors to Wincustomise, from what I can tell, are loyal daily returning visitors that would not stop visiting because there is no boot screen section. I would imagine 99% of the regulars here own one stardock product or another, that's the main reason I come, to get excellent hight quality work to use with my software. I used to be a very regular lurker, occasional poster on neowin before I discovered the joy of my Object Desktop, but I don't visit there anymore, as the Windowblinds / Desktopx section is lacking, and full of people who, for some odd reason prefer stylexp over windowblinds. I stay here at Wincustomise, becuase I can get what I want, and also, the community here is a very friendly relaxed one. Hmm, I've gone off topic as usual As for Trillian, I don't use that anymore either as I use voice often online, and stick with MSN6.

[/drivel]
Sugaree
Reply #6 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:20 PM
Boot Screens, gets the Boot!


Wise decision, Frogboy!
dhSIMON
Reply #7 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:20 PM
Don't throw away this idea. The way most people download boot screens is as the bitmaps...not as the kernel. You should forewarn downloaders that editing the kernel is risky and a backup kernel should be made incase the boot fails. (It isn't as risky as you think. You make a BACKUP file named "Explorer1.exe"(must be a short file name since it is loaded from DOS) and in your boot.ini, just add a line that will boot from Explorer1.exe...your backup. If you ever hang at your custom boot screen or errors occur...You will always have the option to boot to your backup when you start up your computer. Then when you get into windows from your backup you can fix the error.

If you would like me to post precisely how to do everything I just said.. reply telling me..and I happily will.
Skelaton4
Reply #8 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:42 PM
There was a guy up there who had a LINK wincustomize try that. I woouldnt put a boot screen on my comp in the cass that my windows would get screwed and i would have to by a new one or reformat. So boot the BOOT.
Skelaton4
Reply #9 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:44 PM
My name is Cdiggy ignore that crap cgiigy. >
Skelaton4
Reply #10 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:46 PM
omfg wincustomixe i guess cant put MY NAME C D I G G Y!!!! >
JeremyG
Reply #11 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:09 PM
Unfortunately skinning Trillian is too difficutl for this little brain. Maybe if SkinStudio supported Trillian.....
jaymoon
Reply #12 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:24 PM
here is a program that is a very good boot screen editor: http://www.belchfire.net/~userxp

it works for me fine
slomo
Reply #13 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:47 PM
NO Boot Screens..that's fine. Trillian Skins...I like that. That would have been my second choice. Go with the Trillian Skins!
Dan7299
Reply #14 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:50 PM
Why make it a choice in the survey if you're only going to reject the ending result?
SelfExiled
Reply #15 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:05 PM
There is a problem with boot screens anyway. The graphics can't look very nice because they can only use 16 colors. I tried BootXP and it sucked. I mean the program works, but the graphics degrade to 16 colors. It is my understanding that this a limitation of the OS.

How about a quicknote and rainlender section? Both of these programs are free and compliment Object desktop quite well.
Frogboy
Reply #16 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:12 PM

I'm not very familiar with either of those programs. What do they do?

Vanilla Ice
Reply #17 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:12 PM
BootXP sucks. if the screen has the progress bar in another place thna usual, it won't show up correctly. you can move it to where it should be, but it doesn't get saved or something. what i do is just download them as kernels and edit the boot.ini to point to the new file. i just alternate filenames boot1.exe and boot2.exe so you can change it without going into safe mode or anything. i'm not worried about viruses or anything cause for one it'd add to the filesize and you could see the difference, and two, i trust that people who spend time making boot screens aren't in it just to spread viruses.
Vanilla Ice
Reply #18 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:14 PM
i think rainlender is a weather thingy.
sig101
Reply #19 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:21 PM
Huh?

Frogboy: The answer to your question was in your previous thread on this subject. As I and others mentioned in the previous thread several times, there are programs (links were provided) that have the capacity to convert images into bootscreens. Hence there is no need to host .exes, just images. Some users explicitly mentioned on the other thread that currently they just download walls and use the programs (or do it manually themselves) to convert the walls to bootscreens.

I'm not pro or anti bootscreens, but as noted previously and again, if WC wants to host bootscreens there is no need for WC to host any cracked MS file, just images. There are programs (noted previously) that people can use to convert them to bootscreens and apply them.
YeahCoolDude
Reply #20 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:23 PM
Well... all this is alsome but not everyone has windows XP and boot screens are the same with windows 2000 and on this site: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/ you can get MANY images to change the load up screens (boot screens). To get there just goto the link shown and under reviews click on other then you should see the how to change windows 2000 boot up logo and stuff. That way you guys could put up some pictures and things for us to put up as our boot screen.

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