Poll Result: Those Stardock bums!
Monday, December 23, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
WinCustomize users tend to have a higher percentage of Stardock customers. So that would imply that Stardock must have a pretty healthy customer satisfaction level.
On the other hand, there could be a back-lash against the seemingly rabid "I hate Stardock" people out there. In my view, I think that backlash is directed more to the underlying motives of the "Stardock is evil" crowd: Commercial software.
For the past 5 years, the "free intellectual property" crowd (or as I call them the "free beer" crowd, have been trying to demonize anyone who tries to make a living creating intellectual property.
You see this when skin authors are able to make a living this way. You see this when software developers ask for registration fees.
Amazingly, the "free beer" crowd usually quickly resorts to charging that OTHER people are greedy. Which I just find incredible. It's almost always the people who have contributed nothing whatsoever to a given community that are the first to cry "greed" when someone who has contributed for years tries to get some type of compensation.
We see that here all the time. After downloading 100 megabytes of stuff, users are actually asked to either register one of the programs they're using these skins and themes on or get a WinCustomize subscription or to start contributing skins and themes to the community. And what is the first thing they yell? How WE are greedy. I guess it's the ultimate "takes one to know one".
And that's where Stardock comes in. Because it makes commercial software (and asks for a whopping $10 to $20 on the various programs), it instantly creates an anti-Stardock crowd.
I suspect that some of these people recognize that their arguments are transparent so they tend to exagerate their position.
One popular argument I see is that Stardock basically swooped in like some Monty Burns vulture onto the "skinning scene" and began leeching off of it. As if there was this big skinning thing going on before Stardock.
In reality, Object Desktop went into beta on OS/2 in 1994. It SKINNED OS/2. It wasn't called skinning back then but that's what it was doing. When Object Desktop began being developed for Windows, skinning was a major development focus when development began in early 1997. The skinning component went into public beta in the summer of 1998.
Stardock also released the first (or one of them) system wide icon changing program in 1997 called PlusPak: Themes. In Windows that became IconPackager and it went 1.0 in 1999.
Here's a screenshot of Object Desktop on OS/2 from the mid 90s:
https://www.stardock.com/products/od20/megashot.jpg
Even back then you can see where WindowFX, WindowBlinds, ObjectZIP, ControlCenter, ObjectDock, ObjectBar, and DesktopX would come from. These concepts were vastly expanded on Windows since hardware and underlying Windows technologies matured. But the basics were already there.
But this also represents the strength of commercial software. There ARE advantages to commercial software. The same people working on WindowBlinds 4 are the same people who worked on WindowBlinds 1.0 back in 1998. That's going to be 5 years of development by the same team. And it's not light development, it's very intense. The teams that work on DesktopX and ObjectBar and IconPackager and WinStyles and ControlCenter are dedicated for the long haul and one reason for this is because they can justify spending time on it.
The problem with freeware and open source is if you're not getting paid, you really can only work on it during your free time and that becomes a problem as the program gets increasingly complicated.
After all, who wants to spend their Saturday night figuring out why there are pink bits showing up on a particular skin on Windows 98SE when they're using an Trident video card? That's not fun.
Of course, when that argument falls apart for the anti-Stardock people the other one comes up:
"Okay, sure they've been around since the beginning but their software is buggy and bloated and they charge for everything!"
None of which is true. One of the things that always pains me is the charge that WindowBlinds uses a lot of RAM. It's a totally bogus claim. It's so easy to disprove (just look at your total RAM commitment when WindowBlinds is loaded versus when you're using an msstyle -- WindowBlinds uses LESS RAM than Windows XP's own visual style does). If anything, WindowBlinds should get kudos from the "fast, efficient code crowd" because it uses so little RAM.
DesktopX is the same way. It actually suppports MEMORY COMPRESSION on the fly. It actually requires fewer resources to use DesktopX as a simple email checker or system resource meter than it is to use a stand alone specialized resource monitor or email checker (again, just load up task manager and view total RAM commitment).
Then there's the whole "Never do freeware" which again is bogus.
LogonStudio (www.logonstudio.com) is free.
XPBench (www.xpbench.com) is free
ObjectDock (www.objectdock.com) is free.
Stack n Sack (game) is free (Christmas game)
https://www.stardock.com/products/drengin/sns/
Elves Inc. (https://www.stardock.com/products/elves/)
Stellar Frontier is free (https://www.stardock.com/products/sf)
And DesktopX and CursorXP are practically free in the sense that you can use DesktopX forever and CursorXP has a freeware version.
That isn't to say there aren't plenty of legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't like Stardock. They may have had a bad software experience with Stardock. Or maybe they had trouble with one of its services. Or maybe they find my posts repulsive!
There are lots of reasons. But the ones most commonly posted about seem to be often from people who just don't like the idea of paying for intellectual property (whether that be software or music or movies) and use various methods to justify that dislike of intellectual property.Reply #2 Monday, December 23, 2002 6:43 PM
It's the same case of Objectdock poll: here (wincustomize) wins ObjectDock by far, but YZdock wins by far on their own forums (yes, there's another poll about your prefered dock).
I voted 'yes' to Sardock, because it's always developping the best (or are the first developping) customization programs for Windows (commercial or free). This is the case of ObjectDock: When YZ and Moby docks was just a dream, it exists a long thread about ObjectDock in Neowin; ObjectDock will come into ObjectDesktop (i readed this in ObjectDesktop site the past year), Stardock not released a public version until are comed the other docks, and Stardock released ObjectDock to public as free version; surely don't will be popular a commercial dock, when there's available 2 free docks. Important: i'm not saying 'i'm not according to Stardock policies, becuase they promised a dock paying, and now is free'. I agree their dock (free or not) , and DesktopX, and the new WindowBlinds, and newcoming customization apps (free or not). If i really like the app, i will purchase it.
I just only call for more customization applications, and more surprises.
A comment: i come from OSX, and i bored their docks before any Windows dock. I thinked 'i will not use these windows docks', specially in Windows (Windows is Windows, and Mac is Mac, any platform have their own best features). But, i tried them, and actualy i use them, specially ObjectDock.
About ObjectDock: i voted 'ObjectDock' on the other dock poll.
ABout the free software and propietary software: this is another 'computer war' between 'trolls' and 'more trolls'. Use the programs you wish, the icons you wish, pay if you think convenient, use Linux if you feel better, but not say: 'the others are stupids' or 'my program is better, because...' .... it reminds me my first times at school
Reply #3 Monday, December 23, 2002 9:51 PM
Reply #4 Monday, December 23, 2002 9:54 PM
Personnaly, I answered "What is Stardock?" because I didn't want to answer neither positively nor negatively, although I very well know what Stardock is.
I'm sorry yo say this, but I have no feelings towards companies, they are not living things. I care about some people and and dislike some people. My favorite person at Stardock is Larry. Some days I like Brad, some days I don't. But generally I think he's an OK person, although I disagree most of the time with him.

But Stardock inc.? Really couldn't care less about it. I feel the same way about Microsoft, Apple or any other incorporations.
Reply #5 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:10 AM
As I said -- in the first line -- it's not surprising that Stardock would have a favorable impression here on WinCustomize.
And I agree that it would be a lower percentage on other sites. The higher % of "free beer" people on a given site, the higher the negative impression would be.
Reply #6 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:34 AM

I had no choice but to answer positive....god knows I hawk Stardock to friends and co-workers all the time. They always say "sounds cool, gimme a copy"....at which time i give them the web address
Reply #7 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:21 AM
Reply #8 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:48 AM
I'll go in the ring with you on this one Brad.
Reply #9 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:32 AM

Reply #10 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 8:06 AM
But there are corporate cultures. Companies do evolve a "way that we do things around here." This is true of every company that I have ever worked at, including Stardock. Corporate culture effects the way a company interacts with the world.
Let me give you a quick example. Marketing wants to get a product out, development says that the product isn't ready to go. Often there is a meeting between 3 people- marketing, development and the boss. The decision to release or not release and the reasons why (need the money, product not safe, etc.) effect how the company views itself and how others view it.
It would be self-serving of me to comment on the culture at Stardock. I work there. But I will say that Stardockians are more accessible than the folks at most companies. If people feel that we are unethical, they can tell us right to our face.
Back to software and skinning, I think that developers and artists need to get rewarded in order to sustain effort. Capitalism is the best system for providing those rewards, IMHO. If beer is free, who is going to brew it?

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Reply #16 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:10 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:11 PM

I like free software, but I also think that good software deserves it's price! Everybody can decide whether he or she uses a free software or buy another.
Merry Chirstmas and Happy New Year to everybody!

Reply #18 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:02 PM
look who's name calling frogboy, practice what you preach, and if there is so many Christians on this site as the poll says, we ALL need to get back to Church, this is not the way to remember the real meaning of Christmas.......Reply #20 Tuesday, December 24, 2002 3:39 PM
have purchased many of these products. I don’t skin any of the products but that does not
make me a freeloader. I have been involved in the skinning community for long time now.
I don’t patronize this site for several reasons, and I will keep those to myself. However,
when I read a thread such as this it really turns my stomach. Frogboy comes out with a
favorable 92% and then immediately jumps on the remaining 8% as Stardock haters and
puts them in a “Stardock is evil” crowd.
Next time you put up a poll about Stardock make it read... 1 I love Stardock... 2 I love
Stardock.. or 3 I love Stardock... That way it eliminates all of one’s opinions, and gives
Stardock 100% of the vote.. I would venture to say that this type of poll would not get
many votes..
IMHO I feel that the CEO of Stardock should hire one more person, a Public Relations
Officer. The benefits of a thread like this is more detrimental to Stardock then anything
the Evil Doers can create.
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Reply #1 Monday, December 23, 2002 6:33 PM
I like reading rants.