Teknidermy Issue 11 out now!
Saturday, October 12, 2002 by Doreen | Discussion: WinCustomize News
(Sorry but it seems the Editor of Teknidermy Mr. Kenray the Master Slacker & craeonics is rubbing off on me so I'll just use this handy cut n paste feature and rip off crae's original news post) hehe
Interviews with Chaz about the switch from LotsOfSkins to ArtUproar; a talk with the yet unknown, but highly talented fc85746; and also SkinBase's Elwin Ransom gets the interrogation routine, as does Hoverdesk prodigy Honz. And there's the man (or rather, boy) you'd love to hate: aafuss.
Ken ponders about the hardships of being an editor and why we never wrote a thing about the ill-fated GuiOlympics (turns out we did) and how meeting up with other skinners can enrich your life. Oh, and I stole Integer's "Stardock's not all evil" article that I won by creating skinnables.org's new default link button.
All that, and fresh bunnies!
Check it all out here: http://www.teknidermy.com/issue/11/
Interviews with Chaz about the switch from LotsOfSkins to ArtUproar; a talk with the yet unknown, but highly talented fc85746; and also SkinBase's Elwin Ransom gets the interrogation routine, as does Hoverdesk prodigy Honz. And there's the man (or rather, boy) you'd love to hate: aafuss.
Ken ponders about the hardships of being an editor and why we never wrote a thing about the ill-fated GuiOlympics (turns out we did) and how meeting up with other skinners can enrich your life. Oh, and I stole Integer's "Stardock's not all evil" article that I won by creating skinnables.org's new default link button.
All that, and fresh bunnies!
Check it all out here: http://www.teknidermy.com/issue/11/
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Doreen
Reply #3 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:22 AM
Reply #3 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:22 AM
hehe hey someone picking on the dutchy's graphics? and yes you need to scroll down to the text menu for the more simple minded ppl...
Attila
Reply #5 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:38 AM
Reply #5 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:38 AM
I liked this issue overall, the Honz12 interview is my favorite feature. 
stratagem
Reply #6 Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:35 PM
Reply #6 Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:35 PM
Heh, sorry, didn't mean the front page. But once you click a link you are stuck with the hide and seek navigation.
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #7 Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:40 PM
Reply #7 Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:40 PM
for an art mag, someone needs to build a decent website. ease-of-use factor is next to nil and the main graphic is a joke. A newbie is supposed to know what that says?
virophile
Reply #8 Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:13 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:13 PM
Yeah, these people who contribute their spare-time for free to bring a service to the community need to try harder, right? I just find it hard to swallow that so many people go out of their way to do things for others and people can't just repect them for that. I am not against criticism, but why the need to talk down to people?
Integer
Reply #9 Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:17 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:17 PM
Indeed, kudos to the tek crew for contributing their spare-time to bring us an interesting read, for free... 
Doreen
Reply #10 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:10 PM
Reply #10 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:10 PM
Thanks you guys for sticking up for us 
but it's okay cuz criticism is healthy, I just the critics don't sway crae to stop drawing bunnies, cuz crae's bunnies turn me onnnnnnn!!! hehe
and I think actually crae is working on other things to make the site alittle better
so just be patient VERY patient cuz crae is half sloth hehe
but it's okay cuz criticism is healthy, I just the critics don't sway crae to stop drawing bunnies, cuz crae's bunnies turn me onnnnnnn!!! hehe
and I think actually crae is working on other things to make the site alittle better
so just be patient VERY patient cuz crae is half sloth hehe
Doreen
Reply #11 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:11 PM
Reply #11 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:11 PM
can someone please stick a "hope" word up in there before the "critics" word?
Thank you
Thank you
craeonics
Reply #12 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:35 PM
Reply #12 Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:35 PM
The big question is: are newbies supposed to know what it's all about? If you think of the target audience, will interviews with skinners and other noteworthy persons in our small world be interesting to those new to it or more to the ones who know who they are?
Then again, can anyone read my scribbles, besides moi?
Then again, can anyone read my scribbles, besides moi?
TheSkinsFactory
Reply #13 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:22 PM
Reply #13 Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:22 PM
virophile: spare me please. So you're saying that just because they do this for free it's ok for things to be illegible? umm yeh you'll go far in web business.
Woofer
Reply #14 Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:27 PM
Reply #14 Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:27 PM
The big question, of course is, was this released quietly?
Frogboy
Reply #15 Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:34 PM
Reply #15 Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:34 PM
Well I see that they aren't going to cover the GUI Olympics because they can't avoid editorializing it to death.
If they had simply covered the events, as they happened with just the facts (like who won, which skin won, etc.) that would have been cool.
But Kenray wanted to wait until it was over. But I suspect that the article Kenray's friend did is full of partisan judgements.
And so, the "skinner's journal", which had time to interview Shoggot's rantings fails to cover what was probably the most significant single event in the skinning community of 2002 (130 skins created in a month's time by dozens of skinners representatives of half a dozen different skinning sites with the judges being the admins of the leading skin sites and one of the judges being the man who wrote the book on GUI Design).
Don't get me wrong, I am glad Teknidermy exists. But at this point, it really seems more like a personal blogging site (I have a blog site at www.joeuser.com) than a skinning journal since the things they cover are increasingly related to the types of things that interest a very specific clique of users (a clique I am admittedly part of which is why I read each issue).
But it's a lot less like a skinning journal and more like a "people magazine" about the personalizties of the old guard skinners (and increasingly people who don't actively make skins now). There's nothign wrong with that, I just think a skinners magazine having a heck of a lot of potential. It's just everytime I read it I can't help but imagine that it's really being written for the handful of people who hang out on a skinners IRC channel and not trying to reach out to the tens of thousands of people who now create skins.
If they had simply covered the events, as they happened with just the facts (like who won, which skin won, etc.) that would have been cool.
But Kenray wanted to wait until it was over. But I suspect that the article Kenray's friend did is full of partisan judgements.
And so, the "skinner's journal", which had time to interview Shoggot's rantings fails to cover what was probably the most significant single event in the skinning community of 2002 (130 skins created in a month's time by dozens of skinners representatives of half a dozen different skinning sites with the judges being the admins of the leading skin sites and one of the judges being the man who wrote the book on GUI Design).
Don't get me wrong, I am glad Teknidermy exists. But at this point, it really seems more like a personal blogging site (I have a blog site at www.joeuser.com) than a skinning journal since the things they cover are increasingly related to the types of things that interest a very specific clique of users (a clique I am admittedly part of which is why I read each issue).
But it's a lot less like a skinning journal and more like a "people magazine" about the personalizties of the old guard skinners (and increasingly people who don't actively make skins now). There's nothign wrong with that, I just think a skinners magazine having a heck of a lot of potential. It's just everytime I read it I can't help but imagine that it's really being written for the handful of people who hang out on a skinners IRC channel and not trying to reach out to the tens of thousands of people who now create skins.
Jafo
Reply #16 Monday, October 14, 2002 1:59 AM
Reply #16 Monday, October 14, 2002 1:59 AM
Doreen...I left a comment on your Aafuss interview...
Doreen
Reply #17 Monday, October 14, 2002 2:38 AM
Reply #17 Monday, October 14, 2002 2:38 AM
I know what you're saying Brad and respect that, just that it is difficult for such a small handfull of us (actually 3 at this moment) to cover so much when we get side tracked w/ that dreaded real life stuff, if we had more time to branch out more we could cover more, but unfortunetly it's not like that so it's hard enough to bring the things we do to the table these days...
as for IRC neither me, crae or ken hang out there at all, so we are not part of any IRC clique, so you're alittle off there...
Shog was a pleasure for me to get to interview cuz of my past history on skinz.org & never really knowing who he was other then him playing referee on the msg board when I upset ppl back then w/ my Doreenosis so getting that opportunity to interview him was fun for me to get to know him alittle better, plain & simple.
"His opinions" were part of the interview but were "not" the main reason for the interview, I simply needed someone to interview for Teknidermy asked him for an interview (never expecting him to say yes) and he did and that was that, I was never one of his many IRC groupies as you may have thought.
I get no pay for admining on artuproar or for Tek, it's all just for enjoyment okay, there's no motives here, I do this stuff for Teknidermy only because I really love the skinning community nuts & all, just like everyone else.
so bottom line is crae, me & ken do this for you guys if it's not good enough to please everyone, we could consider calling issue 11 a final wrap? no use doing it for you guys if it's not doing what it set out to do.
Doreen goes to see what comment Jafo put (now I'm nervous to go look!) hehe
as for IRC neither me, crae or ken hang out there at all, so we are not part of any IRC clique, so you're alittle off there...
Shog was a pleasure for me to get to interview cuz of my past history on skinz.org & never really knowing who he was other then him playing referee on the msg board when I upset ppl back then w/ my Doreenosis so getting that opportunity to interview him was fun for me to get to know him alittle better, plain & simple.
"His opinions" were part of the interview but were "not" the main reason for the interview, I simply needed someone to interview for Teknidermy asked him for an interview (never expecting him to say yes) and he did and that was that, I was never one of his many IRC groupies as you may have thought.
I get no pay for admining on artuproar or for Tek, it's all just for enjoyment okay, there's no motives here, I do this stuff for Teknidermy only because I really love the skinning community nuts & all, just like everyone else.
so bottom line is crae, me & ken do this for you guys if it's not good enough to please everyone, we could consider calling issue 11 a final wrap? no use doing it for you guys if it's not doing what it set out to do.
Doreen goes to see what comment Jafo put (now I'm nervous to go look!) hehe
Doreen
Reply #18 Monday, October 14, 2002 3:07 AM
Reply #18 Monday, October 14, 2002 3:07 AM
okay Jafo me went there *phew* was expecting the word "Sucker" somewhere mixed in there... hehe
(I think he is just extremely young & different)
(I think he is just extremely young & different)
Integer
Reply #19 Monday, October 14, 2002 5:30 AM
Reply #19 Monday, October 14, 2002 5:30 AM
Hrm...I wouldn't call it a day just yet, there are far more positive opinions than negative, and the negative ones aren't exactly scathing, just people pointing out their opinions, which they are entitled to do.
Take a look at the articles in this edition.
Of the 7 articles, 1 is an interview with a current skin site owner, and there are 4 interviews with currently active skinners. Perhaps the impression that it's old guard related is because its created by some of the "old guard"? I mean, its going to reflect the personalities and interests of the people who create it, that is a fact of life. Anyhow, it brought to my attention 2 relatively new skinners that I had not yet heard of, so it can't be all bad
Take a look at the articles in this edition.
Of the 7 articles, 1 is an interview with a current skin site owner, and there are 4 interviews with currently active skinners. Perhaps the impression that it's old guard related is because its created by some of the "old guard"? I mean, its going to reflect the personalities and interests of the people who create it, that is a fact of life. Anyhow, it brought to my attention 2 relatively new skinners that I had not yet heard of, so it can't be all bad
Elwin
Reply #20 Monday, October 14, 2002 6:38 AM
Reply #20 Monday, October 14, 2002 6:38 AM
Was that a cheap shot?
Now I'm depressed.
No sleep for me tonight - I'll be up worrying about being one of the "old guard"...
Now I'm depressed.
No sleep for me tonight - I'll be up worrying about being one of the "old guard"...
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Reply #1 Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:19 PM