'Graphics' was not used in the particular comment I used, to be crystal clear. To be clearer...skinners...Accomplished Skinners, respected skinners, titled skinners, etc., should be more resonsible, thourough, descriptive, atc., and should download the skin as well, when commenting. IMO. The title or years of experience should not be an entiltlement to shortcuts, offhanded comments, or bashing.

I like you, Jon, but I don't like playing these games of having each little post totally deconstructed. Especially when you add things that were not there.

There are skins that appear one way in the screenshot and often the same way on the Windowblinds Menu and then when applied, something is off. iRobot is one example. The Screenshot is good. I love the skin. However, when in use, the start menu is totally borked on XP and on Vista. Gothic STate is another. Magic Pink shows up in the corner of open windows when applied. Another skin I love but won't use for that reason.

I never said it was.

I was merely pointing out that I'm sure that graphics was what was being referred to by any and all commenters as, indeed it is all that they were looking at and after all...

all a theme is.. is graphics...eh?

It sounds like your saying, ok, so it might have looked bad in the screenshot, better take a gamble, pay for it and hope it works out better in use.

As far as games, I'm not playing games and anyone is free to come and go as they please if its too hot in here.

 It's not ALL that you look at, is it? And to say you know the minds of any and all commenters is lame.

You specifically called me out and said I was making a claim and laid out the claim you thought or wanted it to appear I was making and that is NOT what I was stating. You were wrong in the implication, inuendo, and in assuming I meant more than I stated.

It ain't too hot for me.  The dissapointment may be deep, but I've been dissapointed before.

I think we should all go hunting.  It is good every now and then to just go out and kill stuff. 

my goodness, quit taking it so personal Po. I'm not out to get u either.

Yeah, most people look at graphics and design in a screenshot of a Graphical user interface.

Disappointment is a fact of life... for all of us.

I'm in.

How else should I take it.

If the word 'graphics' had been used in said comment, that would have been something. But it was not. An all encompassing comment was left. With nothing to explain it. That was that persons right. IMO, it was negligent (they did not critique the screenshot or download the skin), but still their right.

Never said you were or implied you were. I never said you were out to get anyone. Now who sounds paranoid? That is what I am talking about. Don't spin my shit. I try to say what I mean. There's no need to add to it or read into it.

Wow. dude, your really taking what I said all wrong. Gonna leave it alone now. turning into a who can scream louder, curse more and post last thread. Not at all what I hoped for.

No one is spinning anything. Moving on.

Dude...too hot?

What is so difficult about admitting you misrepresented what I said? You're original remark referred to 'me' and a claim I never made, your response to my issue with it changes it to 'everyone'. Unfortunatley, 'Everyone' isn't here to speak up. I am.

It is not a matter of who can scream the loudest. It is a matter of, you wouldn't let someone off the hook who twisted your comment around (A certain thread on a certain celebrity comes to mind) so what makes you think I should or would?

Can we still go hunting?

Cos I dont believe I did..

Lets try this again...

Are you saying... from a full screenshot, one designed to sell the artwork, that someone is incapable of determining that the elements shown... Start menu, Taskbar, Taskbuttons, Frames, buttons, Titlebuttons, Loggoff buttons are or are not of what one may consider a Master quality graphics and\or design in their specific opinion??

 Unscientific, unofficial poll.  Yes.. or No.

Anyone can answer this...it's open.

I don't own any guns, but my pencil packs a punch, can I still go?

My opinion...

A full, detailed SS is good enough. Otherwise, why do screenshots?

I have seen a couple (literally) of skins where the SS didn't do the skin justice. But most of the time, I can get a reeeal good idea of what the skin is like and of what quality it is just by the preview.

I've got a pretty mean BB rifle!

I post this comment due to my ignorance of how things can be done through a website and a pay site.  I've seen many products that are offered on a limited time trial basis.  How about Master skin downloads that time out after a couple of days.  Prospective buyers could give the skins a test drive and make an informed decision prior to paying out.  Just a thought.

No. That is not what I am saying. However, for example.....

Screenshot...

windowblinds config

applied

Sometimes the screenshot is inaccurate. It doesn't matter what skin or what OS...the SS can be inaccurate.

Here is Stardocks original SS of Oxidized

Here is a recent SS from the SS gallery...

For me, the second SS is more appealing and shows more of it's uniqueness. If I hadn't downloaded it and looked at it in more detail because of the first SS, I would have not fallen in love with it. WHo knows, I might have hated it after downloading. But I downloaded it.

Well, i agree, sometimes a screenshot could possibly be inaccurate, don't think it happens often and may only affect one, perhaps two elements at most, not really what I was asking but sure it could be.

Should a Master skin have an inaccurate screenshot? probably not..was the one in question inaccurate.. I don't think so... but again not really what I was asking.

I would imagine most people don't want to take chances with their money, a clear and concise screenshot, again, for most people is enough information to base a decision on... some have stated that already in this thread and that.. my friend.. is my point. Not sure why it's so hard for you in particular to agree on.

As far as your like for that particular skin, from the screenshot.. I wouldn't pay for it. From the screenshot.. to me.. it isn't worth it... to me.

From the screenshot that is.

and this thread of yours John is a huge one. I mean dear God, I dont even know where to begin.

Can be a very deadly weapon in the wrong hands, but I trust you so what the hell!  The same goes for you Po!  But Skinhit does makes me a bit nervous. The BB is just fine as we all need some comic relief.

with some reasonable logic? Maybe, just maybe we can all come to some common ground, tha is my hope anyway. Please explain what disappoints you. If one standing up for what they believe in disappoints you then I guess I will just have to live with that. So far more people are agreeing as far as I can see. But the day is young.

YES.

Does one have any credibility giving a critique of Windowblind skins, Master or not, if one is not a skinner?

There are numerous critiques given of music, paintings, movies, products etc., given by people who do not actually create any of those things. You can see these critiques in newspapers, magazines, television and on the internet. The critics are supposedly experts at what they do but do ya think all of them are?

That's how it is. They give their OPINION.

Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one.

If one puts any sort of work out into the public then one opens themselves up to peoples opinions. If one charges for that work then it only stands to reason that the opinion is generally of a more critical nature.

I someone can't stand the heat then they should leave the kitchen.

As far as the rules of critcism go that's up to the particlar venue.

As with any debate that is open to all it's impossible to keep to just the points that the original poster wanted to discuss. VStyler, I'm sure you realize that.

This is an impossible problem. It will never ever be settled as long as there are people who have their own opinion.