Constructive comments.
Sunday, November 8, 2009 by vStyler | Discussion: Community
Regarding this thread https://forums.wincustomize.com/367136/page/5 post 105
Most certainly contradictory.
This post is not intended to cause divison but to serve only as an example and to segway into what I personally believe is an important discussion as we look forward to the new WC2k site.
Perhaps I'll get flamed, blamed, insulted, I hope not, I hope that you all can see my points and discuss this like adults.
IMO.. anyone should be able to say what they like in any skin submission, Anyone with half a brain and a bit of common sense can tell a whether they like a skin or not from its representative screenshot. If someone wants to say my skin looks like some MS default skin, knock yourself out, but PLEASE don't tell the rest of us, any of us that what was good for goose the isn't good for the gander.
No one should have any right to say they cannot or that if they leave a negative comment that it must be accompanied by qualified critique. The best critique I ever got was 'this skin sucks" and other pretty similar vicious remarks.
We either have the right to free speech here.. or we don't.
Question - How is it that someone (WC Mod) can say that a person who has not purchased and used a skin has no business commenting on it, then proceed to accuse people of being destructive or doing it to sound big, when they did exactly the same thing just a few days earlier.
Strikes me as biased at the very least. It is also not the first time it has happened, I could list quite a few more of these types of comments in my threads but I wont. It really is an aside from my broader point but something that I didn't appreciate nonetheless.
Basically, to stifle any kind of commenting on skins is just plain wrong, to allow only positive comments leads to nothing but "Looks Great!" type comments. When this happens, I do believe skinners might think.. Everyone says I'm great.. so i must be!
Imo, this just fosters apathy and contentment that can lead to a skinner not being motivated to push themselves any harder than they have to.
I believe the entire WC community is \ has been a victim of this type of mentality and I for one would like to see it move towards more realistic feedback in the galleries and forums.
I think there should be an option on the new site that give the skinner an option to choose to receive 'Advanced Critque'. This option would show they are willing to take the hard knocks and the tough love that some of us have learned to appreciate in our path to being more technically competent skinners and artists. Those who only want candy coated, mushy, look at me comments... can choose to not accept the option.
Of course anyone would be able to say what is on their mind regardless of which option the submitting artist chose but just having the submissions labeled as 'Willing to receive advanced critique' will show who is willing to receive the harsh, more in depth and indeed.. negative.. stuff as well as the more common ego boosting comments.. This policy was implemented on DA and I believe is a very good idea.
We shouldn't have to fear stating our honest opinion or be accused of trying to feel big or put out someones candle for doing so.
Lastly, if bad\negative opinions are not allowed or 'discouraged' on a skin that has not been purchased yet, then why in the heck are postive ones allowed and\or without corresponding critique? The entire premise is flawed.
Doesn't make any sense to me and telling us all that it should be the rule of thumb.. again... IMO is just plain wrong.
I would like to think this discussion could be civil and debated sensibly.
Thanks.
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Reply #142 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:36 AM
Probably is....but will never admit it. I agree with Po'. Blame skinhit .... there should be an icon or widget.
Reply #144 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:56 AM
Blame me all you want bitches...but at least this thread has finally taken a turn in the right direction!
Reply #147 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:11 AM
Can someone please lock this thread and the others like it, they are serving no useful purpose at all. Thank you.
Reply #148 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:14 AM
I agree with you Vstyler, it is very motivating to have both side of the medal 
Reply #149 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:18 AM
I'm not gonna get in the middle of the pissing contest that's going on, but to say, tsk, tsk.
there are a least a few accurate criticisms of promotions, master skins and attitudes listed within the diatribe. Two of which come to mind are peer review of a skin before being sold as a "master skin" and a requirement the a master skin has to be made for all three operating systems.
peer review might be a problem. pretty safe to say that even respected members don't always play well together. guess it could be a "user" review instead, but nonetheless, a good idea.
and thank you moderators for controlling this thread to the utmost of your... Messiah's not really banned is he? why is that link being 404'd? did you really go back an change a comment post posted 10 years ago? did you really modify other people's posts within this thread?
someone suggested way back to lock this thread but was put off for some reason. tsk, tsk.
Reply #150 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:45 AM
that would be between Messiah1 and site administration
No..the comments were posted 5 years ago on a 10 year old skin and YES we removed offensive (personal attack) language from the comments.
If a user posts the contents of a Private Message (PM) in the forums then both he/she and the post will be removed. This has happened several times in the past. In some cases it has resulted in a permanent ban from the site.
Reply #151 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:58 PM
It has always been expected that those who choose to go beyond the average downloader and become involved with skinning and its community to be more responsible with their daily interactions with the other active members. The higher you climb in rank the more involved your interaction with the site should be.
A drive by " this sux" comment from some unknown downloader is to be expected, as typically thier interaction with the site is minimal and so is their knowledge of skinning and its critique,
The higher up you go in ranks the more involved your critiques should be IMO, especially if the critique is negative in reply. Why?
As The community leaders,elders, and most active we have been recognized as being amongst the most knowledgeable and dedicated to perpetuating the skinning community, we should be taking up the task to offer real critique on things or issues we see that need fixed, how are we helping the community with single line negative comments? Is any one benefitting from them? I would hope to see more Involved and helping critiques from all ranked members and especially upper level members.
Me if I dont have the time to fully post a neg critique I will not post any thing til I can.More often than not I will take it to a PM so they can do the necessary repairs without the need to drag it out in public... If i love a skin "" dude this rox" or some equal sentient comes in to play. As I am a simple person, my joyous reposts are often reflected with short but happy comments.
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Reply #141 Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:48 AM
He's Canadian, then? ...