Tough love for Object Desktop

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 by Frogboy | Discussion: Personal Computing

For many years, Object Desktop was synonymous with the phrase “What the next version of Windows might have in it.”

The first Windows version, released way back in 1999, introduced GUI skinning, ZIP files being treated as folders, the Control Center.

In fact, here’s a screenshot of Object Desktop from 1999.

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Object Desktop in 1999

Those features we take for granted now in Windows.  GUI skinning? Windows XP provided that.  ZIP files as folders, old hat now.  A “Sidebar”? Windows Vista users know something about that.  Features like gadgets and widgets and icon changing and other such things were also part of what made Object Desktop so forward thinking.

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Object Desktop in 2009

Object Desktop became extremely popular and its users and Stardock became invested in the feature set that made it so popular.  The problem is that Windows itself has moved on and Object Desktop has to move on too.  That means it’s time for some tough love.

On October 5, 2009, after a nearly 3 year absence, I have returned to being in charge of Object Desktop again.  Being away from the desktop enhancements area has allowed me to take a fresh look at the state of the art in Windows tech, the “Skinning community”, and so forth.  And I must say, there’s a lot of work needed here.

Decisions

After looking at things, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need to make some pretty big changes.

#1 Our focus will be power users. NOT casual users.  For the past 3 years, things like MyColors have focused on casual users. The idea is very sound and I was an early supporter of the concept of MyColors – grow beyond power users into the much larger base of casual users.

The problem is that casual users barely do more than change their wallpaper and they’re not likely to pay $50 (let alone $70 for “ultimate”) to spice up their desktop. 

#2 Make Windows better. Object Desktop was never supposed to become a cosmetic product. The idea was that Object Desktop fixes the things in Windows. Windows was not competitive compared to say the Mac or even Linux visually and Object Desktop helped solve that.  But Windows Vista and Windows 7 look pretty good. Our objective should be to focus on making Windows better overall and there’s plenty of work there.

#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”.  Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.

#4 Content is NOT king. A lot of time, energy, and money was spend making suites and themes these past 3 years.  While many users like the themes, many of them don’t like it coming via MyColors.  MyColors is going to be moved to our enterprise group for license and distribution through our OEM partners.  Mixing and matching the two is not a good idea in my view.  Instead, content will be provided as .suite files that users can then manipulate however they want in Theme Manager.

#5 Sunset programs. There are many programs that we’re going to have to sunset.  What I mean is that new users of Object Desktop won’t get them. People who have Object Desktop already will continue to be able to download them but they won’t be getting updates.  RightClick, Virtual Desktops and ObjectBar will make their way into the sunset.  Others will start to follow soon.

Basically, if a program doesn’t work on Windows 7, 64-bit within the next month, it’ll be sunsetted.  That doesn’t mean that that type of program will go away.  We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better.  We have new ideas for virtual desktops that can make use of WPF and other newer techs.

Now, I know many people reading this will be horrified at some of this.  The focus going forward is going to be Windows 7.  That doesn’t mean users of Windows XP are going to be dropped. They’re not.  But we are going to need to start concentrating our resources on a single platform and that platform is going to be Windows 7.

As a reminder of what kinds of cool stuff we were able to do when we could focus on a single OS:

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Object Desktop in 2002 with “Toon-XP” suite applied

My objective for the next 6 months is to make sure Object Desktop becomes synonymous with cutting edge technology again.  And do that, we will need to make some tough choices and focus our efforts onto doing cool stuff that hasn’t been done before that make using Windows better.

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zakai1369
Reply #61 Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:16 AM

zakai1369
Reply #62 Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:47 PM

I do have one question though ......

#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”. Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.

I was just in Impulse and realizing my Object Desktop Ultimate subscription expires on Nov. 24th and was thinking about renewing it now (since there is that survey discount available ) , but I was thinking about just getting Object Desktop not Ultimate since it seems the majority of the apps I mainly use are available without the Ultimate version and the couple that I do use from the Ultimate aren't going to be developed further. But now I'm wondering if I should just wait altogether for the release of Object Desktop 2010.

Anyways does your above statement mean that subscription dates are going to be extended or that if you resubscribe and already have Ultimate you only need to pay for the regular Object Desktop subscription price but will still get updates to the programs in Ultimate if there are any?

Opening Impulse just a few minutes ago and getting a prompt asking me if I want to update my subscription now because it is running out soon reminded me that I never got an answer to this question.

 

 

Anakey
Reply #63 Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:03 PM

i think if you have an ultimate subscription it will count as 1.5 years, as you are paying for 1.5 normal OD subscriptions, though frogboy will be the best perso to confirm this

IROKONESS
Reply #64 Monday, October 26, 2009 1:51 AM

No Doubt !!!Onward and Upward!!

But my labour is ahead also... I hve XP.....


Frogboy
Reply #65 Monday, October 26, 2009 4:17 PM

We're going to give people who have Ultimate a full extra year actually.

zakai1369
Reply #66 Monday, October 26, 2009 6:51 PM

We're going to give people who have Ultimate a full extra year actually.

Wow. That is great to hear. Thanks for the response Frogboy.

zakai1369
Reply #67 Monday, October 26, 2009 8:18 PM


On December 2, 2009, Object Desktop and Object Desktop Ultimate will be merged into Object Desktop. Users with Object Desktop Ultimate will get a full year added to their account (so now is the ideal time to pick up Object Desktop Ultimate).

Oh. Glad I read that other thread. My current subscription runs out the week before that. Guess I'll have to remember to resubscribe before it does and take advantage of that.

mickeko
Reply #68 Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:08 PM

Frogboy
We're going to give people who have Ultimate a full extra year actually.

A full extra year is good compensation for those who have subscriptions running less than a year. Nothing for any additional years of subscription purchased? Can I have a certificate with a gold star atleast?

c242
Reply #69 Monday, December 14, 2009 1:22 PM

So, any news ?

Philly0381
Reply #70 Monday, December 14, 2009 1:30 PM

So, any news ?

I think Object Desktop 2010 was released.

c242
Reply #71 Monday, December 14, 2009 1:36 PM

I know. An we got the longer subscription, which I am thankful for. But what I wanted to achieve is any news about further or updates of apps. Maybe it was a little short asked.

Shirley
Reply #72 Monday, December 14, 2009 8:29 PM

But what I wanted to achieve is any news about further or updates of apps. Maybe it was a little short asked.

Which apps specifically were you looking at?  The obvious chnages are DeskScapes 3, WindowBlinds 7 and Tweak7, as well as the addition of Fences Pro.

RedneckDude
Reply #73 Monday, December 14, 2009 9:12 PM

Shirley

But what I wanted to achieve is any news about further or updates of apps. Maybe it was a little short asked.


Which apps specifically were you looking at?  The obvious chnages are DeskScapes 3, WindowBlinds 7 and Tweak7, as well as the addition of Fences Pro.

Well DesktopX comes to mind......

Frogboy
Reply #74 Monday, December 14, 2009 10:24 PM

There should be a new DesktopX 4 update this week.

Frogboy
Reply #75 Monday, December 14, 2009 10:29 PM

Let's review where we're since October:

 

  1. Fences released (and Fences Pro for ODNT users). This is a pretty revolutionary new program. There's nothing on Windows quite like it and it has become the most popular downloaded desktop enhancement on CNET since release.
  2. WindowBlinds 7 released. Probably the biggest new version of WindowBlinds since its original release. Lots of video demos out there.
  3. SkinStudio 7 Pro released. Major new version adds a lot of new features including support for the new UIS0 skin format.
  4. DeskScapes 3 added. Adds hybrid dream support, support for on-the-fly enhancement of existing wallpapers (the only program on the net that can do this as far as I'm aware).
  5. IconPackager 5.0 released. Supports Windows 7 icons, addresses numerous requests users have made during the past year.
  6. DesktopX 4 has gone into beta.
  7. Tweak 7 / TweakVista 2.0 were released. Major changes to both UI and functionality.
Not too shabby 2 months.

RedneckDude
Reply #76 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:40 PM

   not too shabby. Forget the rest, let's just get DesktopX working...   

c242
Reply #77 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:57 PM

Yeah, was thinking of DX and RightClick and any new apps in the pipeline.

Lantec
Reply #78 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:59 PM

Forget the rest, let's just get DesktopX working...

I'm dying without a Rightclick replacement/update for Windows 7x64.....at least you've got a beta.....I'm having to retrain myself and it sucks.

Anakey
Reply #79 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:01 PM

the beta is worse then the old version though

Frogboy
Reply #80 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:29 PM

the beta is worse then the old version though

Betas often are unfortunately. If they were better, we'd be shipping it.

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