Tough love for Object Desktop
Tuesday, October 6, 2009 by Frogboy | Discussion: Personal Computing
For many years, Object Desktop was synonymous with the phrase “What the next version of Windows might have in it.”
The first Windows version, released way back in 1999, introduced GUI skinning, ZIP files being treated as folders, the Control Center.
In fact, here’s a screenshot of Object Desktop from 1999.
Those features we take for granted now in Windows. GUI skinning? Windows XP provided that. ZIP files as folders, old hat now. A “Sidebar”? Windows Vista users know something about that. Features like gadgets and widgets and icon changing and other such things were also part of what made Object Desktop so forward thinking.
Object Desktop in 2009
Object Desktop became extremely popular and its users and Stardock became invested in the feature set that made it so popular. The problem is that Windows itself has moved on and Object Desktop has to move on too. That means it’s time for some tough love.
On October 5, 2009, after a nearly 3 year absence, I have returned to being in charge of Object Desktop again. Being away from the desktop enhancements area has allowed me to take a fresh look at the state of the art in Windows tech, the “Skinning community”, and so forth. And I must say, there’s a lot of work needed here.
Decisions
After looking at things, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need to make some pretty big changes.
#1 Our focus will be power users. NOT casual users. For the past 3 years, things like MyColors have focused on casual users. The idea is very sound and I was an early supporter of the concept of MyColors – grow beyond power users into the much larger base of casual users.
The problem is that casual users barely do more than change their wallpaper and they’re not likely to pay $50 (let alone $70 for “ultimate”) to spice up their desktop.
#2 Make Windows better. Object Desktop was never supposed to become a cosmetic product. The idea was that Object Desktop fixes the things in Windows. Windows was not competitive compared to say the Mac or even Linux visually and Object Desktop helped solve that. But Windows Vista and Windows 7 look pretty good. Our objective should be to focus on making Windows better overall and there’s plenty of work there.
#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”. Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.
#4 Content is NOT king. A lot of time, energy, and money was spend making suites and themes these past 3 years. While many users like the themes, many of them don’t like it coming via MyColors. MyColors is going to be moved to our enterprise group for license and distribution through our OEM partners. Mixing and matching the two is not a good idea in my view. Instead, content will be provided as .suite files that users can then manipulate however they want in Theme Manager.
#5 Sunset programs. There are many programs that we’re going to have to sunset. What I mean is that new users of Object Desktop won’t get them. People who have Object Desktop already will continue to be able to download them but they won’t be getting updates. RightClick, Virtual Desktops and ObjectBar will make their way into the sunset. Others will start to follow soon.
Basically, if a program doesn’t work on Windows 7, 64-bit within the next month, it’ll be sunsetted. That doesn’t mean that that type of program will go away. We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better. We have new ideas for virtual desktops that can make use of WPF and other newer techs.
Now, I know many people reading this will be horrified at some of this. The focus going forward is going to be Windows 7. That doesn’t mean users of Windows XP are going to be dropped. They’re not. But we are going to need to start concentrating our resources on a single platform and that platform is going to be Windows 7.
As a reminder of what kinds of cool stuff we were able to do when we could focus on a single OS:
Object Desktop in 2002 with “Toon-XP” suite applied
My objective for the next 6 months is to make sure Object Desktop becomes synonymous with cutting edge technology again. And do that, we will need to make some tough choices and focus our efforts onto doing cool stuff that hasn’t been done before that make using Windows better.
Reply #42 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:39 PM
Reply #43 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:58 PM
I'm actually happy with this direction. I prefer paying for capability (WindowBlinds) over content (MyColors). Plus, MyColors and WB were and either/or proposition: I couldn't use a MyColors theme and then tweak it.
Sad to see ObjectBar going away, but ObjectDock performs most of the same functions, and graphically things are moving to widgets, gadgets, and virtual windows (Fences).
Reply #44 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:10 PM
THAT was why I felt like saying "Yes we can" -- it's a subtle political metaphor, (a mantra chanted by the masses when great things were promised to them, but the promises were empty, and now the reality is we're all back to the same old shit). As the saying goes --
Blessed are those who expect nothing, for they shall not be disappointed.
Look, I LOVE Windowblinds, and I enjoy being part of the community here and I don't want to be banned, but in the short time I have been part of this community, and especially this last year, we have seen a lot of "look at what the cool future holds" and sat around waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the "new" to become the norm, and like a fat girl being stood up for the prom, we have been left waiting for nothing. "Tough love" for OD? For the past year there has been NO love for OD. Fool me once, shame on me, right? We'll I'm not falling for this promise again. If something new and beautiful materializes, I'll enjoy it when it happens, but until that day, I'm not getting my hopes up.
Reply #45 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:14 PM
I realize that Brad isn't worried about me, but I am not gonna be a happy camper if DX is sunsetted!!!
I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere since we use it for our game UIs and such too, not just widgets.
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Reply #46 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:18 PM
I've said in other posts on this forum that Stardock really has too many balls in the air when it comes to these apps. It's been painfully obvious that they've lacked the manpower to manage all the stuff they got going. Putting the focus on the most important things and bring them up to standard is the only way to go.
Either this works out or we'll see the entire OD suite falling into oblivion... There's no trickery here.
Reply #47 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:54 PM
moving forward is always good..i wouldnt mind seeing TOONS suite updated though ![]()
Reply #48 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 3:06 PM
That's kind of my feeling too.
That's why I'm coming in and basically "killing darlings". There's been a lot of stuff fooled around with for too long that hasn't gone out the door or gotten finished because the scope has been endlessly extended to the point that it never gets done.
In the next 60 days, you're going to see a LOT of stuff released starting tomorrow all because things that just are pie in the sky are getting dropped (stuff most people are totally unaware of).
See https://forums.wincustomize.com/366192 to get a taste of what we can do in a couple of days with some focus.
Reply #49 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 3:20 PM
Yes! YES!!! YEEEES!!!! ALL good news!!!
Love #1, Love #2, Love #3, Love #4, Love #5.
Looking forward to seeing what's in store for us! ![]()
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Reply #51 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:14 PM
I realize that Brad isn't worried about me, but I am not gonna be a happy camper if DX is sunsetted!!!
I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere since we use it for our game UIs and such too, not just widgets.
Well that's good to hear.
It's been pretty mum for while now.
Reply #52 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:35 PM
This is pretty exciting. Looking forward to things FINALLY getting done, and focusing on the future (Win 7, etc.)! ![]()
Reply #53 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:41 PM
I don't suspect that happycamper88 will be returning here to discuss the finer points on thier opinions as posted in reply # 26.
Oh well, never mind then. ![]()
Reply #54 Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:45 AM
My favorite themes are always the holiday themes, such as - My Halloween by Xav73 and his other works. This is as complete a theme as I could wish for with XP. In Win7 you need to do more things like this complete with sounds. Also, I think you should fully integrate DesktopX into the process to completely change the user interface. I imagine a script that either checks what's installed on your computer or asks users what they have installed and/or want to link to with objects. I think these two together are the only real way forward to completely alter people's ideas of what a computer interface should look like and can do. That promise has been there for a long time but never been fully utilized nor completed IMO. I think OD subscribers are the way you can fund this and test out your progress in making any Win7 programs as complete as they can be.
And no, I'm not interested in having games and other things I must purchase continually pushed at me. You should have one area where other items not included in OD can be purchased, where games can be purchased but it should be in an entirely separate section from OD and made clear. As it is now, I click some item only to find out that this is not included in OD and I must purchase it separately if I want it. We all have to make money but that's a little dishonest IMO.
I hope the new team focuses on taking OD in the right direction with lots of neat things for us to utilize and download and changes the way people see computer interfaces. You've got a lot of work to do and some rep to rebuild.
Reply #55 Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:52 PM
Another question I have is : What happens to ThinkDesk ? Will it be enhanced or remain with Multiplicity and KeepSafe ? There where some great ideas in there... And Multiplicity alone is a killer-app.
Reply #57 Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:24 PM
AWESOME! I don't have Object Desktop for all of the reasons you named. I don't care for My Colors and pre-set themes. I love Window Blinds and Skin Studio and would love to see those both as part of Object Desktop. Can't wait to see the changes you are proposing! I love the original concept of improving Windows. I think the themes, My Colors, etc. have a place for those who enjoy using them but I uninstalled My Colors because I prefer to things my way. Make the changes and I will buy Object Desktop for sure!! What great news!
Reply #58 Friday, October 9, 2009 3:20 PM
Not really part of Object Desktop, but of course we will.
Reply #60 Friday, October 23, 2009 11:48 PM
I realize that Brad isn't worried about me, but I am not gonna be a happy camper if DX is sunsetted!!!
Since I have DX running on Server 2008 R2 [x64 only], DX looks to be just fine for the future.
So, you finally woke up and realized one of the basic tenets of business: retaining an ugly customer is far more profitable than chasing the skirts of the pretty and flighty customers who want Pretty Things. About f*&@in' time! I was ready to drive up to your offices just to slap some sense into you. But, I guess you can see the results of failed business decisons outside your front door....can't you.
Yes, focus on the smart, tough customer who pays for his product, gives you attitude for making bad decisions, but stays with your product for years. [the screenshot from 1999 really made me feel nostalgic]
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Reply #41 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:21 PM
I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere since we use it for our game UIs and such too, not just widgets.