Tough love for Object Desktop

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 by Frogboy | Discussion: Personal Computing

For many years, Object Desktop was synonymous with the phrase “What the next version of Windows might have in it.”

The first Windows version, released way back in 1999, introduced GUI skinning, ZIP files being treated as folders, the Control Center.

In fact, here’s a screenshot of Object Desktop from 1999.

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Object Desktop in 1999

Those features we take for granted now in Windows.  GUI skinning? Windows XP provided that.  ZIP files as folders, old hat now.  A “Sidebar”? Windows Vista users know something about that.  Features like gadgets and widgets and icon changing and other such things were also part of what made Object Desktop so forward thinking.

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Object Desktop in 2009

Object Desktop became extremely popular and its users and Stardock became invested in the feature set that made it so popular.  The problem is that Windows itself has moved on and Object Desktop has to move on too.  That means it’s time for some tough love.

On October 5, 2009, after a nearly 3 year absence, I have returned to being in charge of Object Desktop again.  Being away from the desktop enhancements area has allowed me to take a fresh look at the state of the art in Windows tech, the “Skinning community”, and so forth.  And I must say, there’s a lot of work needed here.

Decisions

After looking at things, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need to make some pretty big changes.

#1 Our focus will be power users. NOT casual users.  For the past 3 years, things like MyColors have focused on casual users. The idea is very sound and I was an early supporter of the concept of MyColors – grow beyond power users into the much larger base of casual users.

The problem is that casual users barely do more than change their wallpaper and they’re not likely to pay $50 (let alone $70 for “ultimate”) to spice up their desktop. 

#2 Make Windows better. Object Desktop was never supposed to become a cosmetic product. The idea was that Object Desktop fixes the things in Windows. Windows was not competitive compared to say the Mac or even Linux visually and Object Desktop helped solve that.  But Windows Vista and Windows 7 look pretty good. Our objective should be to focus on making Windows better overall and there’s plenty of work there.

#3 Eliminate “Ultimate”.  Breaking Object Desktop into Standard and Ultimate editions was a mistake. It should be Object Desktop. Period. So people who have Object Desktop Ultimate will get their access to it extended and we will return to a single version with the launch of Object Desktop 2010.

#4 Content is NOT king. A lot of time, energy, and money was spend making suites and themes these past 3 years.  While many users like the themes, many of them don’t like it coming via MyColors.  MyColors is going to be moved to our enterprise group for license and distribution through our OEM partners.  Mixing and matching the two is not a good idea in my view.  Instead, content will be provided as .suite files that users can then manipulate however they want in Theme Manager.

#5 Sunset programs. There are many programs that we’re going to have to sunset.  What I mean is that new users of Object Desktop won’t get them. People who have Object Desktop already will continue to be able to download them but they won’t be getting updates.  RightClick, Virtual Desktops and ObjectBar will make their way into the sunset.  Others will start to follow soon.

Basically, if a program doesn’t work on Windows 7, 64-bit within the next month, it’ll be sunsetted.  That doesn’t mean that that type of program will go away.  We’ve already started putting together a design document for a replacement for RightClick that we think is a lot better.  We have new ideas for virtual desktops that can make use of WPF and other newer techs.

Now, I know many people reading this will be horrified at some of this.  The focus going forward is going to be Windows 7.  That doesn’t mean users of Windows XP are going to be dropped. They’re not.  But we are going to need to start concentrating our resources on a single platform and that platform is going to be Windows 7.

As a reminder of what kinds of cool stuff we were able to do when we could focus on a single OS:

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Object Desktop in 2002 with “Toon-XP” suite applied

My objective for the next 6 months is to make sure Object Desktop becomes synonymous with cutting edge technology again.  And do that, we will need to make some tough choices and focus our efforts onto doing cool stuff that hasn’t been done before that make using Windows better.

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RadialFX
Reply #21 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:15 AM

Deal!! Let's go!!

Kitkun
Reply #22 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:48 AM

zakai1369
And apologies for going off topic here but since I was looking at registrations .....on an unrelated note my Wincustomize subscriptions are overlapped. The one I had  was set to expire on 2/2/2010 and then on 3/25 Jafo gifted me a subscription and it now shows my Wincustomize subscription under 2 listings one of which ends 2/2/2010 and one that ends on 3/25/2010 instead of having extended it to 2/2/2011. How would I go about getting this fixed?
[email protected]

 

JSpencer2000
Reply #23 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:24 AM

Well thanks for the comforting there folks haha. And believe me dont get me wrong here. I am keen to get Win 7 when I can. Also I only subscribed to OD U 4 years ago or so and just recently popped back into it. So the timing seems wierd for me with all these new changes when I came back.

This makes me curious on getting a better description for those of us with the Ultimate subs. What was meant exactly by extension and do we have any time frames?

gef
Reply #24 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:26 AM

For anyone who likes Right-click, there already ia a replacement - NextSTART

100% better. Easier to use, easier to configure, uses png files and never crashes. 

 

It works perfectly on anything from Win 95 - Window 7, 32/64 bit

k10w3
Reply #25 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:12 AM

Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"? 

happycamper88
Reply #26 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:30 AM
Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"?
I would highly suggest resisting that urge considering the author of this post and his political persuasion.
I'm not going to say "I told you so" here. It serves no purpose, but I can't help but believe that if the economy turns around and goes back into the greedy feeding frenzy that existed when My Colors was created - Stardock would re-turn their back on the collective "power users" once again. This is a sound judgement by Stardock, based on the recent economic past and current economic outlook. Nothing more. Nobody should take any comfort in the focus being pointed *back* at the "power user". Now that Windows 7 will be the focus, and the new users will get (apparently) less toys than the longer time users, I fully expect less all around. Less for them means less for the rest of us as the money dries up. Not that the "power users" were getting anything lately either. Make the customer expect less in the short term while *almost* promising more in the long term - yet delivering far short of either expectation. That seems to be the way things work these days. That is what I expect from this point forward. Think....the commercial that tries to make the masses believe that "less is the new more". Yeah - sure. Whatever. I log into Impulse rarely anymore. I just did as I wrote this. There is a (supposed) update for WindowBlinds. Why do I say "supposed"? Well that would be because there is no longer a version history available in Impulse. So is it an update? I doubt it. It doesn't matter anyways. It's been a long time between updates and now we all reap the rewards of false promises. (Like the RightClick update that was promised months ago - remember that one?)Now RightClick is going bye-bye. Big surprise. Oh, I forgot about the lengthy Impulse updates. You know, the ones that require you to reboot but give you nothing in return ---> other than ads for games and other garbage that you "the power user" could care less about. As far as the whole "Ultimate" thing being a mistake..... wow - talk about your epic epiphanies! It's not like there was any history to draw from, like say Microsoft. I'm still looking for investors for my "New" Coke II idea. Any takers? No, the market has dried up. Now the objective is to try and get whatever money is possible from the hard core users that Stardock long since turned its back on. I don't use anything but ObjectDock anymore. I'm an ObjectDesktop Ultimate subscriber through June 2010. I won't be re-upping. What's the point? Even OD causes me problems and hasn't been updated forever. Nice. But Stardock is going to focus on people like me right? Give me a friggin' break. Congrats Stardock. You and your right wing, greedy, short sighted business plan is now fully reaping its rewards. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. Now you want to milk as much as you can before you drop off of the map - am I far off here? I bet a year or two from now I will be able to brag that I was spot on - just as I could brag about being spot on about my predictions from a year ago. It's sad what pure political ideology, pure greed, and pure narcissism gets people. Unfortunately we now get to share in it. Enjoy this bitter pill like you do your sub-prime mortgage. Like you do the groceries that cost you at least twice as much as they did. As you do your gas that is still trying to rape you like it did not long ago. Like so many things. Frogboy and his posse offer history. Nothing more. Do you want some - Mr. Power User? LAME post, LAME AGENDA You are fooling very few by now.
happycamper88
Reply #27 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:31 AM
Christ, you can't even bother to fix the formatting for your own forums.
starkers
Reply #28 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:54 AM

Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"?

Why?  because you can... because Stardock CAN.

Bichur
Reply #29 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:28 AM

happycamper88

blah rant blah

rant rant rant

blah blah

blah blah blah

blah blah, blah blah rant

 

 

That's better now I can read it

starkers
Reply #30 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:55 AM

A happycamper?  Now that's an oxymoron, to say the least. 

In any event, it's a blatant contradiction of terms.

With so many negative thoughts, happycamper88, you DEFINITELY need a new nick

Maybe grizzleguts88 would be more fitting?

vStyler
Reply #31 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:16 AM

Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"?

Indoctrination?

 

starkers
Reply #32 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:50 AM

vStyler

Why do I suddenly feel the urge to whisper under my breath, "yes-we-can"?

Indoctrination?

I hope you're not insinuating the good Doc had something to do with this elated high??

Neil Banfield
Reply #33 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:00 AM

I suspect happycamper may find himself without posting ability pretty soon given his other thread.

I should point out that the WindowBlinds update IS a WindowBlinds update.  In fact there have been many updates of WindowBlinds and Deskscapes over the past few months. (WB7 and Deskscapes 3 betas)

As for Impulse needing reboots, an update of the impulse client should not require a reboot.  Reboots would be required for updating WindowBlinds or Deskscapes due to locked files.

Jafo
Reply #34 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:01 AM

Christ, you can't even bother to fix the formatting for your own forums.

Works just fine....provided you have a licence to drive on the Net....

Shirley
Reply #35 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:10 AM

Wow, what do all these colorful knobs and widgets do?:

I iz confuzed

I don't understand them AT  ALL!

Dash
Reply #36 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:33 AM

I don't understand them AT ALL!

That's ok Shirley, I'll give you a quick crash course on them later today... 

Fancisc
Reply #37 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:09 AM
seria una lastimoso Y UNA PUÑALADA TRAPERA que el mejor SO dejarais de apoyarlo, decir: XP yó siempre usare XP.
Island Dog
Reply #38 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:22 AM

Sí, pero XP se está poniendo viejo. Es hora de seguir adelante.

gmknobl
Reply #39 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:45 AM
I have always like the .suites that I could get after paying, year after year for my object desktop subscription. Unfortunately, the development of suites has slowed to a crawl in my estimation. I thought this was the way forward to make Windows how I liked. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I'd bought Vista but I didn't and stuck with XP instead. Now, coming into Windows 7 (how'd they ever arrive at that number? It's like version 11 or somethin'.) I will buy this and hope that my old XP computer will still be able to use Object Desktop Suites and that I'll have expanded capabilities and customization of my new computers in Windows 7. I hope to see, shortly after Thanksgiving, something new crop up to justify a financial decision by me to continue subscribing to Object Desktop. But at this point, without actual further benefits such as new .suites that will work in XP and greater, better features I can utilize in Windows 7 from Object Desktop, I question whether I will do so, especially considering numerous financial constraints. I know that's not enough time but I want to get more for my money, not continually less as I feel OD has provided over the last few years. I am grateful for the MyColors suites provided "free" for my OD subscription but they did not include all the neat feature I was able to get from previous .suites. I believe you understand this. Correct this, soon, and all will be well. Thank you.
KarmaGirl
Reply #40 Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:54 AM

gmknobl, suites are still being developed, and we are changing our focus back to providing .suites for OD customers instead of the MyColors themes.  However, all of the premium themes that you got with OD are also available as .suites.  Just do a serial number look-up:  www.stardock.com/support and it will email you two download links.  the first is MyColors, the second is a .suite file to use with ThemeManager.

All our .suites will continue to be developed for XP, Vista and now Win7.

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