Internet Shut Down During Emergencies

Friday, August 28, 2009 by Grayghost2348 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Bill could give Obama control of Internet during emergencies

Andrew Lyle   2 hours ago · 37 comments & 1585 views
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A new U.S. senate bill has been redrafted to give President Obama the power of control to shut down the Internet in case of emergency situations. The 55-page draft that was obtained by CNET appears to permit the president to seize temporary control over private-sector networks in a cybersecurity emergency.

If the bill is passed, it would allow control to temporary disable Internet traffic in private-sectors. "A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001."

Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which contains large Internet and telecommunication companies such as Verizon, Verisign, Nortel and Carnegie Mellon University said "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

The bill is still unclear what power of control President Obama might receive until it is properly addressed after the Senate's summer recess.

The bill is to protect against cyber threats and attacks on critical infrastructures such as the power grid in case of an attack from a broadband connection. Such control over the Internet may never be executed but with hackers getting more creative, national security becomes top priority in emergencies.

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angus1949
Reply #1 Friday, August 28, 2009 3:30 PM

Or used to cut citizens off from current events.  Sound familiar?

Snowman
Reply #2 Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:48 AM

As long as it's kept on a national level.....

I wont have some forreign country have control over my internet access, no matter what their reasons might be!

DrJBHL
Reply #3 Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:03 AM

I agree (intra-USA only)...but say in the case of a massive cyber attack aimed at the Pentagon etc., maybe something like that would be necessary...like unplugging the phone when being plagued by telemarketers? I don't know enough about it to express an educated opinion...just a thought.

*BTW, not all flights were grounded. The day after 9/11, vital medical flights continued (organ transplants and the like). One such flight to Seattle, WA (heart transplant) was grounded by the USAF and allowed to continue by helicopter.

BONEHEADdb
Reply #4 Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:06 AM

What is an emergency situation?

What is temporary control?

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

DrJBHL
Reply #5 Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:16 AM

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

 Good one Bonehead.

"There's nothing more permanent than a temporary measure." - One Smart Cookie.

starkers
Reply #6 Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:07 AM

It's to keep the public (and other prying eyes) in the dark when the aliens land & use the internet to communicate with our leaders.

PoSmedley
Reply #7 Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:35 AM

It's to keep the public (and other prying eyes) in the dark when the aliens land & use the internet to communicate with our leaders.

 

 

 

*Note to Mothership - Starkers knows too much.  Preparing bunker for human in Blue Mountain base.

Wizard1956
Reply #8 Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:56 AM

when the aliens land & use the internet to communicate with our leaders.

Only if they have given up on finding any intelligent life forms to communicate with.

angus1949
Reply #9 Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:52 PM

One man with the power to shut down the internet to an entire country.  Scary as hell.  What's next, the television and radio news will be government controlled?  General suspension of habius corpus instead of the power of such that Homeland Security can already invoke.  Dis-arming of the civil population?  We've seen all of this before both right wing and left about 60-70 years ago, lest we doom ourselves to forget history and therefore allow it to happen again, only this time in our country.

The phrese is "We the people" not we the government.................IMHO

Philly0381
Reply #10 Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:10 PM

angus1949
One man with the power to shut down the internet to an entire country.  Scary as hell.  What's next, the television and radio news will be government controlled?  General suspension of habius corpus instead of the power of such that Homeland Security can already invoke.  Dis-arming of the civil population?  We've seen all of this before both right wing and left about 60-70 years ago, lest we doom ourselves to forget history and therefore allow it to happen again, only this time in our country.

The phrese is "We the people" not we the government.................IMHO

It does seem that folks just don't want to deal with history, 'it's in the past, it all ready happend, why do I care, I can't change it'.  

That is true, but there is one more thing you can do with history, you can learn from it

Nah, that concept will never work.

 

Darco
Reply #11 Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:26 PM

angus1949
One man with the power to shut down the internet to an entire country.  Scary as hell.  What's next, the television and radio news will be government controlled?  General suspension of habius corpus instead of the power of such that Homeland Security can already invoke.  Dis-arming of the civil population?  We've seen all of this before both right wing and left about 60-70 years ago, lest we doom ourselves to forget history and therefore allow it to happen again, only this time in our country.

The phrese is "We the people" not we the government.................IMHO

Wake up people!!!!  This has happened before, just look at some other Countries.  This is not a Democrat or Republican issue.  They have been laying the groundwork for some time, not just this administration.  Although this one is going full throttle.  Turn off the TV and start some serious reading before it is too late.  Then speak up, no matter where or how.

angus1949
Reply #12 Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:52 PM

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."  paraphrased from a wriiting by W. Durant.

 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".  paraphrased from a writing by Edmund Burke.

 

Write your Senators and have a bill like this voted down.

starkers
Reply #13 Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:21 PM

It's a conspiracy!  A gov't plot to take us back to the Stone-Age... to save us from ourselves.  Yup, that's it, we have become too advanced and reliant on technology.... techologies with the potential to harm the planet, wipe out the human race.  So, for our own sakes, the internet will be intermittantly turned off in ever increasing cycles until we have learned to live without it

The next obvious step is TV to isolate us from disturbing World news - enjoyable but nefarious entertainments that cause us to become fat and lazy couch potatoes - then radio so we are not consumed with devils music and jitterbug-like dance crazes.

Yes, we have become too dependent on technologies and consumerism, goods that make us soft and unable to truly fend for ourselves without them.  So in its wisdom, government will make hunter-gatherers out of us all and teach us by necessity to survive using only the basics nature has provided us. 

Motor vehicles will soon become a thing of the past... so harden your butts or get used to saddle sores. Telephones and other electronic communication devises will also phased out as well, so start training your carrier pigeons now... and watch out for the pony express because motorised mailmen will be no more.

Now you may all be sceptical, but ancient prophecies speak of a nuclear holocaust that reverts us back to the Stone-Age, and those wisest in government have decided to take us there without the davastation that would leave us glowing in the dark for centuries.

Well I dunno abouut you people, but I've ordered an abacus and my communicative drums arrived yesterday... plus I'm learnin' smoke signals cos a couple of people I know are hearing impaired and won't be able to get batteries for their hearing aids.

lynnyf
Reply #14 Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:26 PM

This man is getting WAY TOO MUCH control!!!!!

Wizard1956
Reply #15 Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:26 PM

plus I'm learnin' smoke signals cos a couple of people I know are hearing impaired and won't be able to get batteries for their hearing aids.
If those are curried cabbage powered smoke signals,they won't need to hear or see them,as long as they are downwind.

starkers
Reply #16 Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:53 PM

If those are curried cabbage powered smoke signals,they won't need to hear or see them,as long as they are downwind.

No, they won't be curried cabbage powered... the messages would be as clear as mud... and I don't want people hunting for their reading glasses just to hear what I'm saying.

 

mickeko
Reply #17 Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:19 PM



The bill is to protect against cyber threats and attacks on critical infrastructures such as the power grid in case of an attack from a broadband connection. Such control over the Internet may never be executed but with hackers getting more creative, national security becomes top priority in emergencies.

What kind of moron came up with the idea to hook up the powergrid (and other critical infrastructure) on a public network? It's those idiots that are a threat to national security, not the hackers.

BONEHEADdb
Reply #18 Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:42 PM

What kind of moron came up with the idea to hook up the powergrid (and other critical infrastructure) on a public network? It's those idiots that are a threat to national security, not the hackers.

My bet is on Al Gore.

Philly0381
Reply #19 Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:49 PM

BONEHEADdb

What kind of moron came up with the idea to hook up the powergrid (and other critical infrastructure) on a public network? It's those idiots that are a threat to national security, not the hackers.


My bet is on Al Gore.

Yes, I believe you are correct, but he knew it was safe since he invented the internet.

angus1949
Reply #20 Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:25 PM

Yes, I believe you are correct, but he knew it was safe since he invented the internet.
But Philly, he invented it because he would need it one day to spread the news about global warming, which I'm sure he and many other politicians are in no small way responsible.

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