Internet Shut Down During Emergencies

Friday, August 28, 2009 by Grayghost2348 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Bill could give Obama control of Internet during emergencies

Andrew Lyle   2 hours ago · 37 comments & 1585 views
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A new U.S. senate bill has been redrafted to give President Obama the power of control to shut down the Internet in case of emergency situations. The 55-page draft that was obtained by CNET appears to permit the president to seize temporary control over private-sector networks in a cybersecurity emergency.

If the bill is passed, it would allow control to temporary disable Internet traffic in private-sectors. "A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001."

Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which contains large Internet and telecommunication companies such as Verizon, Verisign, Nortel and Carnegie Mellon University said "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

The bill is still unclear what power of control President Obama might receive until it is properly addressed after the Senate's summer recess.

The bill is to protect against cyber threats and attacks on critical infrastructures such as the power grid in case of an attack from a broadband connection. Such control over the Internet may never be executed but with hackers getting more creative, national security becomes top priority in emergencies.

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Philly0381
Reply #21 Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:32 PM

Lets see angus, Politician, hot air, tempreture goes up, global warming.  I do believe you may be on to something here.

starkers
Reply #22 Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:38 PM

What kind of moron came up with the idea to hook up the powergrid (and other critical infrastructure) on a public network? It's those idiots that are a threat to national security, not the hackers.

Ah, but there is method to those idiots' madness.  You see, the flaws and vulnerabilities, possibly deliberately put there to manipulate the masses, are an excuse to introduce draconian laws and extreme measures to control the people. Governments need that feeling of self-importance, and they need to be seen as doing the right thing, so they create these vulnerabilities for hackers to exploit (and may even pay them to pose innocuous threats) to elevate their (self) importance.

I've never been so naive as to think government is there for our benefit, so I therefore must conclude government conspiracy and cover-ups to feather their own nests... to somehow validate their positions.  And just because they intend to send us back to the Stone-Age, doesn't mean government will cease to exist. 

Of course it will, even when there are no vehicles or telephones in the hands of the public, governments will still have transport and telecommunications ministers... to impose taxes/have control over jungle drums and smoke signals.  And just because they've taken us back to the Stone-Age, it doesn't mean government will be there with us.  No, they will still have all the creature comforts and techmology at their disposal, in heavily fortified enclaves with 'bow and arrowed' armed guards outside to keep us out. 

Yup, even though they will have guns and other artillery devices, bows and arrows will suffice... because we will have been reduced to just throwing stones.

BONEHEADdb
Reply #23 Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:48 PM

starkers! You sound like a malcontent to me. You should have more faith in your government. Our governments know better than we do what is good for us. Just do as your told and they will keep you safe and happy.

 

My f*ckn' nose just grew an inch!

CarGuy1
Reply #24 Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:18 AM

But Philly, he invented it because he would need it one day to spread the news about global warming, which I'm sure he and many other politicians are in no small way responsible.

Naw, he invented global warming so he could get rich off of suckers that buy carbon credits.

starkers
Reply #25 Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:07 AM

starkers! You sound like a malcontent to me. You should have more faith in your government. Our governments know better than we do what is good for us. Just do as your told and they will keep you safe

Malcontented doesn't cut it... try utterly disgusted and entirely lacking faith in government.  Every day here in Queensland (Oz), we hear of yet anothe gov't scandal and of gov't corruption/cronyism.... and then there's all the gov't advertising claiming how their intiiatives are creating jobs... when in fact many gov't initiatives are causing jobs to be lost.

And in Canberra (Federal Gov't), the opposition and gov't bicker like school children over just about everything... rather than work to improve our lot.  Our ABC televises parliament question time... and to be frank, I've seen better and more intelligible behaviour from the kids at the local kindy.

Nope, politicians are there only to further their own agendas, feather their own nests, line their own pockets.

My f*ckn' nose just grew an inch!

With a whopper that BIG... it's a wonder it didn't grow a foot or two.Keep telling porkys like that and you'll have to extend the pedals and steering wheel... cos yer enlarged nose 'll mean having to drive from the back seat... even the trunk.

Naw, he invented global warming so he could get rich off of suckers that buy carbon credits.

That is closer to the truth than you may think... but not with/just with Gore.  Our idiot Prime Minister is trying to introduce a carbon emmision scheme that will serve only to make the power companies richer by increasing our electricity costs by about 20%.  Power costs here have already increased here in Queensland by 30% in 3 years... with another 50% increase being touted for june 2010. 

Add to that the cost of Rudd's carbon emission scheme and that puts the overall increase at 100% over just 4 years... which is considerably greater than the current rate of inflation/actual costs to the power companies.

Will this scheme actually reduce global warming (as claimed)???  Pig's arse it will... there's no such thing as global warming as a result of mans impact on the planet. Earth has a history of 'natural' climate change, sometimes in the extreme, and the whole global warming thing is a money making ruse to make the rich richer... and Rudd is a gullible fool gambling with our money.

This time next year, I'll be sitting to pee because I won't be able to afford to turn the light on to see standing up

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tazgecko
Reply #26 Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:50 AM

starkers

I've seen better and more intelligible behaviour from the kids at the local kindy.

I have watch them too starkers, bunch of rabble. Imagine what would happen if they could work with each other.

 

Does anyone know what it would take for the US government to seize control of the Internet?

Do they have to stop all the servers or just get the telecommunication companies to pull the plug. Is this possible? This is a government who could not control the situation in New Orleans after the storm.

 

 

Fuzzy Logic
Reply #27 Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:14 AM

UNLIMITED POWER!!!

Darth Obama and the Sith are taking control of the internet, and ultimately, the Empire...

Do we have any Jedi to stop them?

Let the rebellion gather pace...

Snowman
Reply #28 Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:17 AM

If they want the control, they'll get the control. No matter what anyone else says or does. No costs spared.
Screw the starving people...

WE WANT FULL INTERWEB POWAH!!!11111oneoneone

mickeko
Reply #29 Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:06 AM

Snowman
If they want the control, they'll get the control. No matter what anyone else says or does. No costs spared.
Screw the starving people..

Yepp. It's kind of interesting that out of the 300'000'000+ people in the US only two are "capable" of running the country by the time of every election.

I'm not saying the Swedish system is any better though, it sucks as bad as any other...

I'll give any dictatorship credit for one thing, and that's the fact atleast they're upfront and honest about how they rule.

This whole "free world" thing is just stupid. We're not really more free than anyone else, we just got a cell with more bling.

 

I better stop now or I'll eventually talk about 70 years old ladies knitting...

DrJBHL
Reply #30 Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:31 AM

Hey Fuzzy, no worries, mate!

Cap'n starkers is coming in his CC powered  X-Wing to save the Internetz!

"Starwars Episode 7 - Cap'n Star-kers Saves The Netz!"

starkers
Reply #31 Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:34 AM

I'll give any dictatorship credit for one thing, and that's the fact atleast they're upfront and honest about how they rule.

This whole "free world" thing is just stupid. We're not really more free than anyone else, we just got a cell with more bling.

In some ways, people living under dictatorships are 'more' free.  Whereas they have one law "obey thy leader", we have laws to cover just about every aspect of our lives and more.  In the 'so-called' free world we may or may not get shot for breaking those laws... the difference under a dictatorship is that has a more distinct possibility.

Still, I'm glad that I don't live under a 'total' dictatorship.... I like to call our PM an effwit.... and live.

BONEHEADdb
Reply #32 Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:46 AM

Still, I'm glad that I don't live under a 'total' dictatorship.... I like to call our PM an effwit.... and live.

This is true. I like to call our dear leader a dickhead and live. That could change soon.

DrJBHL
Reply #33 Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:07 AM

starkers
I'll give any dictatorship credit for one thing, and that's the fact atleast they're upfront and honest about how they rule.

This whole "free world" thing is just stupid. We're not really more free than anyone else, we just got a cell with more bling.

In some ways, people living under dictatorships are 'more' free.  Whereas they have one law "obey thy leader", we have laws to cover just about every aspect of our lives and more.  In the 'so-called' free world we may or may not get shot for breaking those laws... the difference under a dictatorship is that has a more distinct possibility.

Still, I'm glad that I don't live under a 'total' dictatorship.... I like to call our PM an effwit.... and live.

This is true. I like to call our dear leader a dickhead and live. That could change soon.

The problem with dictatorships is that they are intrinsically whimsical...run by control freaks and paranoia. So, what might seem "reasonable" or relative freedom isn't...only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.

angus1949
Reply #34 Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:38 PM

only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.
There you go, that's the problem.  There is no reasonable thought unless it's self-serving, and laws are enforced by social status not with equality.

mickeko
Reply #35 Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:04 PM

DrJBHL

only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.

I'm awaiting the day when human kind is intelligent enough to leave enough room for other people to make laws obsolete.

DrJBHL
Reply #36 Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:43 PM

angus1949
only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.There you go, that's the problem.  There is no reasonable thought unless it's self-serving, and laws are enforced by social status not with equality.

There's plenty of reasonable thought that isn't self serving....i.e. Equal Justice under the Law. We must strive always to make that true, for the surest way to Revolution is through "privilege" and as Justice Brandeis (I believe) said, "It is not enough that Justice be done: It must be seen being done."

mickeko
Quoting DrJBHL, reply 33
only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.

I'm awaiting the day when human kind is intelligent enough to leave enough room for other people to make laws obsolete.

I'd like to be around then too. Reminds me of a story about three men:

Three men, an Italian, a Frenchman, and a Jew, were condemned to be executed. Their captors told them that they had the right to have a final meal before the execution. They asked the Frenchman what he wanted. "Give me some good French wine and French bread," he requested. So they gave it to him, he ate it, and then they executed him. Next it was the Italian's turn. "Give me a big plate of pasta," said the Italian. So they brought it to him, he ate it, and then they executed him. Now it was the Jew's turn. "I want a big bowl of strawberries, " said the Jew. "Strawberries!!! They aren't even in season!" "Nu, so I'll wait..."

angus1949
Reply #37 Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:01 PM

There's plenty of reasonable thought that isn't self serving....i.e. Equal Justice under the Law.
I have to strongly disagree Doc.  Justice under the law in this and for that matter most countries is about wealth, power and priveledge.  We see it all of the time.  Those that can buy the dream team defense walk while the poor man with a public defender gets 40 years for stealing to feed his family.  Happens all too often.

DrJBHL
Reply #38 Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:55 PM

I understand why you disagree. Unfortunately the system isn't perfect, and I didn't say it was. I believe it is a worthy and necessary goal.

If you're asking "what's perfect?" I'd answer "nothing". If you ask "what's worthy of and should be perfected?" I'd answer "Justice".

Equal Justice under the law is an abstract, and even if it did exist, and two individuals looked at it, they'd not agree it's perfect.

If it is attainable,  that isn't self serving....it serves society and everyone equally. If you object and say "That's not altruistic" that's correct...but it's not altruistic equally. I hope I explained it well enough....though I probably didn't.

Sorry to disappoint, old friend. I wish I were more eloquent.

starkers
Reply #39 Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 AM

 

BONEHEADdb

Still, I'm glad that I don't live under a 'total' dictatorship.... I like to call our PM an effwit.... and live.

This is true. I like to call our dear leader a dickhead and live. That could change soon.

Let's hope it doesn't change soon, then.... leaders need to be reminded they are dickheads every now and then... helps to remind them that they can be voted out.

BTW, not that I'm implying anything here... but I'm curious. Is there a difference between a dickhead and a 'bone'head? 

Don't wanna know but I'm asking... like I'm thinking (below the belt) and wonder if there might be some similarities.

angus1949

only the rule of reasonably thought out and enforceable laws stands a chance.There you go, that's the problem.  There is no reasonable thought unless it's self-serving, and laws are enforced by social status not with equality.

Precisely... like when gov't enables a law that allows them to put parking meters in a place that does not need or qualify for them: EG, in a street that not in the CBD, is never over-parked and parking poses no hazard to passing traffic.  Gov't, in its self-serving wisdon did this in a street not far from me, where residents and visitors have no off-street parking... they put in 40-odd parking meters under a new by-law to 'supposedly reduce traffic congestion. 

Yeah right, in a quiet suburban street that sees little traffic volume and is not an intregral part of the traffic network.  Truth is, with no off-street parking for residents/their visitors, it's a revenue raising exercise.

Thing is, this is only one instance of gov't passing self-serving laws, many, many more exist world-wide.

 

BONEHEADdb
Reply #40 Monday, August 31, 2009 3:54 PM

BTW, not that I'm implying anything here... but I'm curious. Is there a difference between a dickhead and a 'bone'head?

I don't know, what do you think?

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