WinCustomize 2K5 Roll-out: Phase 3
Open Beta
Monday, November 15, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
December 7 approaches. That's the official date that WinCustomize 2K5 replaces the old WinCustomize.com.
We still have features to implement of course. But hopefully things are coming down to the final stretch. So what do we have left to do before launch? Lots of things but here are some things we're struggling with:
- The home page. We are still worried that the home page is too busy. Too intimidating to a casual user. Should we get rid of the right column? Or left column? Should we have the newest additions be replace by a mini-thumbnail view of some recent or popular skins? Should we combine the daily shot and the featured skin together? Or is it fine as it is?
- The Colors. We're not sold on the colors of the new site. Tangerine for the home page? Not sure about that. Is it too bright? Maybe. But I've received zero concepts of what the site should look like. Feel free to post your own mockup of what the home page should look like (use www.imageshack.us to upload your image and then link to it in the comments here).
- The Gallery. I think the new gallery tab should display thumbnails and not just the names of the skins. It's too texty I think. What do you think?
- Newest. On the skins we think it should say things like <skin name> for <product>. Such as Royale for LogonStudio. Just because experts know what the icon represents doesn't mean the average person will. Also maybe we should list the 20 newest ones instead of 10 since we have the room? What do you think we should do on teh newest page?
- Popular. Same sort of thing on popular. Should list the top 20 in each category. Skins should again say Project Onx for WindowBlinds.
- Articles. This is pretty much what we want out of this. Would like to see an index list option that displays the article name, sub-header, author, and date in a nice clean way.
- Forums. This area will need some more work. We eventually plan to put in moderator suggested bookmarks for popular sub-categories. For instance, OS Customization would have WindowBlinds, Widgets, IconPackager, and a few other bookmarks so that people can instantly get into those areas.
- Software. This is pretty much what we had in mind though we would like to make use of Betanews or Downlolad.com's RSS feed to display the latest/greatest stuff in those areas as part of the forum.
- Sites. This is pretty much what we had in mind. Except it needs to have at the top a way for people who don't have a personal page to get their own personal page.
- Store. Still is still in development.
- Library. The Next and Last buttons should be bigger and be of the style like you see for the comments button and download button.
So what are some of the highlights? What is our goal? Well, first off, we want to get the advocacy system working. It still has some kinks (referrals from WinCustomize itself count as an advocacy point but that'll be cleared up soon enough.
Basically the top non-Stardockian advocate each month will get some goodies sent to them. An advocate is someone who goes out onto other sites and links to one of their skins, themes, walls, articles, or whatever. So if I go out and tell people to check out my RSS widget then every time somone goes to that link it'll give me an advocacy point. And if you click on the referral button, you can see who is linking to it.
Now what about non-skinners? No problem, you'll be able to recommend a skin. For instance, I'm playing a lot of Halo 2 right now. So as someone who has a personal page, I can go over to TSF's Halo 2. At the bottom, I can "Recommend" the skin for users of my personal page (http://frogboy.wincustomize.com). So now it adds it to MY recommendations page. I can then go over to the Halo 2 forums and if I happen to see a discussion that it might make sense to bring it up, and give people this link to my personal page's recommendation link: Halo 2 WMP skin. The Skin author gets an advocacy point and I get an advocacy point. But this way, I've "advocated" the wonderful world of skinning to people who may not have ever thought of skinning their media player.
I think the advocacy feature is going to be a big deal down the line. It also helps that skinners can actually see who is linking to their skins or their website. If you are a WC subscriber or someone with high access, you can create your own personal page or you can just link to your own skin.
Which is another big thing we've done. Compare THIS to THIS. Ignore the really long description. Look how much cleaner the new version is. The old way was ugly to link to because it had too much extra junk in there. The new site has a mcuh cleaner display.
Or check this out: Compare the way Stardock linked to a skin section: Old WindowBlinds library link. And New WindowBlinds library link. Note that on the right side you see the top authors, skins and forum activity relating to WindowBlinds. We'll be adding tutorials per section as well shortly.
Speaking of tutorials...If you go to the articles page, you can see that there is now a tutorials area at the bottom left. It's also one of the channels (or will be) in the Articles tab. Users can create tutorials now on pretty much anything they want and it will get associated with the proper section. Tutorials can be on skinning or on Photoshop or whatever you want. So hopefully we'll be able to help users a great deal mroe this way.
Speed. Hopefully you notice the speed increase. This is all using the same hardware. The only difference is the underlying code which should be much faster. It will actually get faster as more people use this site instead of WinCustomzie thanks to caching. The problem with caching, however, is that we can't really have per user skins of the site. We can only do it globally. We don't plan to change this in the near future. Sorry. We think speed of site is a higher priority for now.
New Sections.. We plan to add sections for several new programs in the coming weeks. We are de-highlighting certain less active categories including NextStart, ObjectBar, and Dashboard. If more activity occurs in those areas, we'll re-highlight them. They still exist in the general gallery though, you just have to click on the more button. We currently have 19 highlighted sections. The WindowBlinds section has been renamed Visual styles. Let us know what you think of that title change.
So that's where we're at. We need your help in feedback. Please be constructive in any criticism since bear in mind, we are spending massive time and effort on this. Be gentle.
And have fun!
Reply #2 Monday, November 15, 2004 7:50 PM
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Reply #4 Monday, November 15, 2004 7:56 PM
The Colors: To be honest, I haven't liked the sites graphics since day 1. The layout is nice, but the graphics on top of them could do for improvement. My own personal preference is darker colors, but other than that, I wouldn't feel right to say something because I can't do any better myself.

The Gallery: Agreed, thumbnails would look nice there.
Newest: Agreed.
Articles: I like the articles feature, but I have been wondering something. Why, when you post an article on WC, does it show up on JoeUser? Shouldn't it be WC-only?
Forums: I like the forum layout as it is now, but to me, it seems as if the Articles and Forums are both one in the same. I tried making a new thread in one of the forums, and somehow, I ended up posting an article that showed up in the forums, articles and on JoeUser too. It seems very confusing to me, how do you post a forum thread and only forum thread?
Software: That's a cool idea, you could even take it further and get Neowin-like news there.
I like the new site a lot, the only things I don't like are how it's intergrated with JoeUser and the Articles/Forums is a bit confusing to post in. The colors could be darker, but that is purely personal preference. Overall, Stardock has done great work with the site, I have noticed it's much faster going from page to page. I'll be very much looking foward to December 7th!

Reply #5 Monday, November 15, 2004 8:19 PM
Thumbnail and skin is for tag lines is a great Idea!
For the site as a whole I like the layout, but it would be nice to be able to change the color scheme at will.
I don't like the Idea of WB skins being called visual styles. that makes me think StyleXP or Dll hacks for some reason....

Reply #6 Monday, November 15, 2004 8:21 PM
Reply #7 Monday, November 15, 2004 8:36 PM
The feature will definitely help the rookies to the skinning world.Reply #8 Monday, November 15, 2004 8:38 PM

Reply #9 Monday, November 15, 2004 8:48 PM
I would like to see the option when submitting an article or forum post to specify where it will show up.
Reply #10 Monday, November 15, 2004 9:01 PM
Reply #11 Monday, November 15, 2004 9:06 PM
| Also, I may just be missing it somewhere, but I haven't seen a way on this site where you can tell when a new comment has been added to one of your skins like you can on the old site with the little mail icon. |
Check out the "My Skins" tab at the top of the page

Reply #13 Monday, November 15, 2004 9:29 PM
| Two words.... |
That was four words

But I think your right, less white and more grays!

Reply #15 Monday, November 15, 2004 9:53 PM
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Reply #17 Monday, November 15, 2004 10:14 PM
That could mean the user could tidy up the site a little to how they want it.
Just a thought.
Reply #18 Monday, November 15, 2004 10:19 PM
Colors: they have seemed to improve some since I first checked out the beta, admittedly I have not checked it out all that much. Though I agree with Jafo that there is too much white. I have used themes for WC.com that have little white. I don't care for something too dark, but the white is glaring. I think a grey tone is perfect and easier on the eyes.
Gallery: I find the gallery useless since the name is a misnomer. A gallery generally means things on display, and there is only text and icons on display there. Of course larger images would mean a much slower loading page for some, it would work better as intended.
Newest and Popular: agree on change mentioned
Overall the site is a big improvement. It still seems somewhat slower because its loading everything up and then displaying it. Where before it loaded and displayed at the same time. (using Firefox)
I slightly bemoan the loss of being able to personalize the site somewhat with skins, but fast is good.
Reply #19 Monday, November 15, 2004 11:16 PM
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Reply #1 Monday, November 15, 2004 7:46 PM
- please no mini thumbnails...too hard/small to see and they take longer to load than text (think dial-up users...we're still out there).
- newest additions...since the mouseover on the icon tells you what it is, I think it should read skin by Artist
- Daily Shot/Featured...I would move the newest additions to where the daily shot is now (newest additions to gallery over the gallery...make sense?); Kill the daily shot and in the center column have...Featured Suite, Featured Skin, Featured Artist/Author/Homepage (whatever you'd like to call it)
Gallery
- I agree too "texty" not sexy
Forums
- Needs a "Return to Forum" Button at the bottom of a thread and would like to see it work like the old forum, where you go to where you last viewed the forum.
Overall site is easy to navigate and layed out pretty well I think. Colors are pre-school/nursery (my 8-week old son Patrick's bedroom is the same color as the homepage)