WinCustomize 2K5 Roll-out: Phase 3
Open Beta
Monday, November 15, 2004 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News
December 7 approaches. That's the official date that WinCustomize 2K5 replaces the old WinCustomize.com.
We still have features to implement of course. But hopefully things are coming down to the final stretch. So what do we have left to do before launch? Lots of things but here are some things we're struggling with:
- The home page. We are still worried that the home page is too busy. Too intimidating to a casual user. Should we get rid of the right column? Or left column? Should we have the newest additions be replace by a mini-thumbnail view of some recent or popular skins? Should we combine the daily shot and the featured skin together? Or is it fine as it is?
- The Colors. We're not sold on the colors of the new site. Tangerine for the home page? Not sure about that. Is it too bright? Maybe. But I've received zero concepts of what the site should look like. Feel free to post your own mockup of what the home page should look like (use www.imageshack.us to upload your image and then link to it in the comments here).
- The Gallery. I think the new gallery tab should display thumbnails and not just the names of the skins. It's too texty I think. What do you think?
- Newest. On the skins we think it should say things like <skin name> for <product>. Such as Royale for LogonStudio. Just because experts know what the icon represents doesn't mean the average person will. Also maybe we should list the 20 newest ones instead of 10 since we have the room? What do you think we should do on teh newest page?
- Popular. Same sort of thing on popular. Should list the top 20 in each category. Skins should again say Project Onx for WindowBlinds.
- Articles. This is pretty much what we want out of this. Would like to see an index list option that displays the article name, sub-header, author, and date in a nice clean way.
- Forums. This area will need some more work. We eventually plan to put in moderator suggested bookmarks for popular sub-categories. For instance, OS Customization would have WindowBlinds, Widgets, IconPackager, and a few other bookmarks so that people can instantly get into those areas.
- Software. This is pretty much what we had in mind though we would like to make use of Betanews or Downlolad.com's RSS feed to display the latest/greatest stuff in those areas as part of the forum.
- Sites. This is pretty much what we had in mind. Except it needs to have at the top a way for people who don't have a personal page to get their own personal page.
- Store. Still is still in development.
- Library. The Next and Last buttons should be bigger and be of the style like you see for the comments button and download button.
So what are some of the highlights? What is our goal? Well, first off, we want to get the advocacy system working. It still has some kinks (referrals from WinCustomize itself count as an advocacy point but that'll be cleared up soon enough.
Basically the top non-Stardockian advocate each month will get some goodies sent to them. An advocate is someone who goes out onto other sites and links to one of their skins, themes, walls, articles, or whatever. So if I go out and tell people to check out my RSS widget then every time somone goes to that link it'll give me an advocacy point. And if you click on the referral button, you can see who is linking to it.
Now what about non-skinners? No problem, you'll be able to recommend a skin. For instance, I'm playing a lot of Halo 2 right now. So as someone who has a personal page, I can go over to TSF's Halo 2. At the bottom, I can "Recommend" the skin for users of my personal page (http://frogboy.wincustomize.com). So now it adds it to MY recommendations page. I can then go over to the Halo 2 forums and if I happen to see a discussion that it might make sense to bring it up, and give people this link to my personal page's recommendation link: Halo 2 WMP skin. The Skin author gets an advocacy point and I get an advocacy point. But this way, I've "advocated" the wonderful world of skinning to people who may not have ever thought of skinning their media player.
I think the advocacy feature is going to be a big deal down the line. It also helps that skinners can actually see who is linking to their skins or their website. If you are a WC subscriber or someone with high access, you can create your own personal page or you can just link to your own skin.
Which is another big thing we've done. Compare THIS to THIS. Ignore the really long description. Look how much cleaner the new version is. The old way was ugly to link to because it had too much extra junk in there. The new site has a mcuh cleaner display.
Or check this out: Compare the way Stardock linked to a skin section: Old WindowBlinds library link. And New WindowBlinds library link. Note that on the right side you see the top authors, skins and forum activity relating to WindowBlinds. We'll be adding tutorials per section as well shortly.
Speaking of tutorials...If you go to the articles page, you can see that there is now a tutorials area at the bottom left. It's also one of the channels (or will be) in the Articles tab. Users can create tutorials now on pretty much anything they want and it will get associated with the proper section. Tutorials can be on skinning or on Photoshop or whatever you want. So hopefully we'll be able to help users a great deal mroe this way.
Speed. Hopefully you notice the speed increase. This is all using the same hardware. The only difference is the underlying code which should be much faster. It will actually get faster as more people use this site instead of WinCustomzie thanks to caching. The problem with caching, however, is that we can't really have per user skins of the site. We can only do it globally. We don't plan to change this in the near future. Sorry. We think speed of site is a higher priority for now.
New Sections.. We plan to add sections for several new programs in the coming weeks. We are de-highlighting certain less active categories including NextStart, ObjectBar, and Dashboard. If more activity occurs in those areas, we'll re-highlight them. They still exist in the general gallery though, you just have to click on the more button. We currently have 19 highlighted sections. The WindowBlinds section has been renamed Visual styles. Let us know what you think of that title change.
So that's where we're at. We need your help in feedback. Please be constructive in any criticism since bear in mind, we are spending massive time and effort on this. Be gentle.
And have fun!
Reply #43 Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:01 PM
Reply #44 Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:23 AM
yrs mr fudoshiReply #45 Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:09 AM
A lot of websites are going to a feature which allows you the user to design his or her own web page to the liking of the user.

As at MSN - my MSN and Yahoo. Thus everyone gets the content of their choosing and the desired colors or theme that suits them completely.
Hey just a thought and it may cost a bunch of cash - but I bet there is a way to raise such funds and a way to do just the following.
Count on me to help in this feature - if it is added or not. Count on me anyway - Stardock /Wincustomize is the best art site in The Net World and my hopes are that it will become even more than that too!
I'd love to give more info or that is in put to the subject - but I believe the best solution to everyones problem is by giving them a way to solve it themselves. That and let them have exactly just what they want. Now I do agree there has to be a set format to use for just that format to solve problems. If they occur!

So lets figure it some more and hey if it cost more - then we will pay more for it too! So will others that are new to WC/Stardock also. But only if it is worth it to them? Bad question I feel - but a frustrating thought to consider!

Go WC/Stardock!

The Car ~

Reply #46 Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:22 AM

A quick and very simple example of a non-white colour scheme that will be less tiring to look at for any real length of time.
Reduced glare and contrast.....leaving the focus on/for the skins themselves....
Essencay's is neutral and excellent, as is Suriken's....which is similar in motivation to mine.
Note...it was done on 1st of Nov.....and posted on the admin board for perusal.
All that's 'necessary' is that the site does not become painfully intrusive and diminish the browsers' enjoyment of the content...
Reply #47 Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:00 AM
Excellent job!Reply #48 Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:32 PM

Reply #49 Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:14 PM

My simple mock. With this it is easy for me to make color choices! Also notice how I eliminated the right column junk. I forgot to put in community, but you get the idea.

Reply #50 Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:00 PM
The catalogs of the different groups are too vast for only five items per. page, unless this is only a demo. People are talking
about speed to me that has never been a problem because I had my system built to be fast, so I never have had major downloading
problems. Once again I do like this new pastel look.
Bernie D
Reply #51 Friday, November 19, 2004 9:30 PM
Reply #52 Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:55 AM
Top author and newest list are too short.
What happened to the updated list...how will I know when a skin has been updated?(it would be great if there was a way to be notified when a skin you had already dl'd has been updated)

I see it now...kinda tucked away out of sight.Newest is still too short.

Gallery is a waste of time...clicking on more dosnt even take you to the same page as clicking on a library...only 5 skins to a page?(I had mine set to 20 on the old site)
I appreciate you guys trying to improve the site and make it faster,but until the the old site is no more,I'll keep using it.Its easier to look at,easier to keep up with whats going on.(for me at least;))
Reply #53 Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:11 PM

Reply #54 Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:40 PM
Honestly...I don't see what was wrong with the layout of the old site. Hey...what can I say...I'm going kicking and screaming, I loved the old layout, and if it ain't <-(jafo? lol) broke don't fix it.
The layout of the old site was the one thing that caught my attention. Everything was really easy to find and I didn't have to go hunting, it was all right at my fingertips. And rather than having to view only 5 images and having to click and click and click to view more I could see alot more on one page, over 5000 wallpapers mean alot of clicking. There are alot of site I don't go to for this reason. If this is how it's going to be...5 images per page...I'm sorry to say I think my surfing time here will be alot less.Having the sub-categories under the libraries was also a very nice feature. Like in ObjectDock, you start with the main library and can then choose from tabbed docks or dock icons or whatever instead of having to trudge through page after page.
I agree with Jafo on the site colors....easy on the eyes is much better. Glaring site backgrounds are a big turnoff and distract you from the content. It was the option of choosing a skin for the site that was also a plus, enabling you to tone down the background. I used Universe Metal for that. Even being able to choose a color scheme would be fine.
I hate to be a party pooper, but I for one will greatly miss the old layout.

Reply #56 Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:37 AM
(personally, I like the new layout and colors of the site... didnt before, but its startin to grow on me
)Reply #57 Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:20 PM

Reply #58 Sunday, November 21, 2004 11:37 PM

Reply #59 Sunday, December 5, 2004 3:14 PM

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