and we can but test them...heheheheh

Ahh but see, everyone has the ability to not read and follow a forum thread if they find something not to their liking. Or even to "walk away". I'd prefer someone bash me on a forum thread than on a skinner's gallery submission which like I.R. Braniac said, would live on that piece of art's page permanently, while forum posts live and die. Because if the nastiness happens here, it will certainly happen on some poor artist's submission. Until you have a feature like DA has where you can hide comments, then the artist has no recourse that i'm aware of.

The artists are the lifeblood of the skinning community. They are also the lifeblood of Stardock's customization applications because without their work, the apps' appeal would be limited. When you start peppering the submissions with some of the nasty s**t that goes on in the forums, then tainted something that was supposed to be untainted.

And besides the job of the Forum Moderators is to "moderate". A thread should never get out of control with as many of you as there are. A temp ban for a week or two would do wonders to stop some of the hostility that goes on here.

more often than not when someone post a bug issue in the skin comments section it turns out to be false...forever tainting the impression of the skin...if it had happened here in the forum,it could have been explained and without wasting space in the comment section.

Not that I only want glowing praise either,...if you like the skin,say why,please.If you dont,say why,please.

So sick of,its great,it sucks. I relish true critiques,especially from people who know their stuff.Whether or not they liked it is almost secondary to what they THOUGHT about it.

hey! i already say that:

sometimes i think you are just ignoring my comments at all...

I'm sorry,I missed that...what did you say?

Yes, that's what we do...., typically taking the specific requests to stop/move on, etc. to Private Messages, however it's not uncommon for public forum comments to attract respondents who are oblivious to the specific skin/issue who tend to hijack the thread [just like me here] to expound some not-quite-related discourse....

Stardock/Wincustomize has a policy of 'minimal intrusion'...that is...it's a last resort to lock or otherwise alter/edit a thread just to keep everything 'rosy'.

I think back to the early days of Wincustomize.com [and Skinz.org before it] to the verbal stoushes that were the norm.

We're all veterans of those... but since then skinning [as an entity] has matured...and so too should the conduct/behaviour on our public forums, both here AND any other skin site venue.

Is not having an 'ignore' function such a bad thing?

Heck, just the slightest hint of revisionist history through an edit, sanctioned or otherwise is seen as both draconian AND blatant censorship of 'free speech'.... hence our great, new feature of being able to see/review a post's edit history.

The status quo is quite good, really.... though I've always thought a separate forum strictly for skinners to interact directly, warts and all.... removed from public scrutiny could perfectly accommodate a thread such as this one....with far less potential for public embarrassment to those involved....better than open forum AND better than the skin comment section.  Somewhere where skinners can nut out issues that may be skin failings...and/or failings of the skinnable itself.

The general user would just see the end result and not the machinations of that result...

amen Jafo...we have asked...but were told nope.

I understand that you SAY the comment section of a skin would best serve bug reports...but not why.Why isnt the forum better suited?

That seems an excellent solution...although this thread has been quite entertaining....

Simplest reason....the skinner involved may not even see the forum thread...and thus be unaware of any issue, whatever it might be.

The skins' comment section is not 'just' for "this is groovy" comments....it's also intended for 'Hey, mister skinner.... it's not working like your screenshot on my machine....is it because I'm on Win95?" - etc. ...

true...tho I'm sure if he has any freinds one would tell him 'dude they are trashing yur skin'

Hoof in mouth disease....we all get it sometime or another...lol.

But it gives us something to read, late at night when there's nothing else to do. Better than Leno...

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!!!   

Hey, you made the comment Jeff, you should buy.... 

Wohoo 3 pages entertainment! "i love the smell of flaming in the morning" where's the booze.... v-styler is harsh as always i know ive been under the thumb a couple of times ...but hey hes mostly right on target. The OP was not being harsh or rude imo but posting issues he had why is this wrong?.... being a skinner it very much comes with the territory, its human nature.

I have no friends... i would never know...  but hey ignorance is bliss

IR when will we see something new and awesome from you, im waiting you always make interesting designs?

Why? is easy enough to make something like that... how about this get incorporated into the new WC?

Beta testing and constructive critique section.... all would benefit from a forum like that.

I knew there was one thing I did like about you.  

Let me clarify.  

I'm not dictating that issues like this are not "allowed" in the forums, I'm suggesting other means are far much more effective at getting the issue resolved.

Thanks V Styler ... I just wanted to take a better look - I did say maybe it was DPI on his part with some of it.

Why do you attack me and now bring to light your thoughts of what you see in the artist? I assure you there is no rip here with this skin for these images. I can post my findings much better if you want. But both the images where made completely on different machines in a simular fashion is all. Only so they would work as the other would. With different colors and pixel gradients.

The pixel distortions are very close ... but not alike. I have the results of several test and when I get off work today I'll be sending this to you in an email. Plus anyone else that does not see it my way.

Z71 has not ripped anyone and this has to stop ...

You sure have changed a lot since I first meet you Vstyler...

Personally I'm not very happy with how that is. Sorry but that is how I see it.

I said I saw no problems at all. To me that's not a problem. For most people that's not a problem. I don't need to rip someones skin into little bitty pieces to know if I enjoy using it, nor do a large majority of people that buy the skins.

Good on you Karen....spot on comments....I won't quote them...I'm sure people have read all the way through this one...

I agree with IR & Jeff...Karen etc...bugs / problems with blinds when aired civilly in the forums are full of pointers for all to learn from.  I asked a question re animations in the skin comments and it was made clear by Z that he did not want questions posed in his comments thread.  I'm guessing that's why jojo came here and I think, for more major issues....it was appropriate not to fill up the permanent comments area.

and no, Shelby...he hasn't changed...he's just as manically passionate about skinning....striving for perfection....it's purity and creativity....and raising the bar/pushing the envelope....as he ever was....and is always immensely generous in helping skinners and sharing his knowledge along the way with the community in the forums, comments areas and a large amount of the time, behind the scenes, unnoticed.  It's also a guaranteed method to get people's ire up, humiliating and belittling a fellow member of our community posting a thread to ask questions.  This set the tone of the thread....other than that, could have been and hopefully will be, quite productive.  Would be great to see a dedicated bug forum area come out of this...finally, rather than the dribs and drabs of 'I have a problem with so and so.....'  and easier for people to reference.....but don't make it skinners only....many people lurking in the forums are potential skinners....and it may just spark their interest reading through the problem solving...