Is your world safe from terrorism....
Sunday, December 21, 2008 by superman | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Dear friends
The title depicts what I mean to say.... Are you protected from the ever growing threat of terrorism...
No, It hasn't caused a fear in me. Its an evil and everything evil are destined to be detroyed...
Well, my answer to my question is perhaps no..
With more than 50 blasts this year, 2008 has been the worst for India.... the govt has just awaken after the Mumbai blasts..lets see what happens....
The simple reason that Pak is so close and people there are so poor and ignorant and religiously blind that they cant see the real motive of those who infuse zihad in them..
And what about your vicinity.. Is it free?
Can you guess what were the reasons for blasts in India...
To slow down its economic progress.....to implant a feeling of insecurity among foreign investors and MNCs that India is not safe..
But trust me each of us will become a troop...and save our country and visitors.....
What are their income sources....
Most probably ..drugs.. and donations from Arab nations..
Well Now its ur turn to say.......
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Reply #62 Monday, December 22, 2008 2:58 AM
I don't know if Moses got them first or not, I wasn't there 
but they are inspiring words/rules/laws to live by, if only they were followed by more, and followed more closely, and I'm not talking Religiously exactly, just as an ideal for living 
Reply #63 Monday, December 22, 2008 2:59 AM
How true. Just goes to prove that if you give a stick to a barbarian he will hit you with it... 
Oh how I wish we hadn't colonized the world. Brittania would still rule the waves and half the population on earth would still be running around in loin cloths.
As they say, no good deed goes unpunished
Reply #64 Monday, December 22, 2008 3:59 AM
My bad let me clairify, By Follow I meant taking what I have read of jesus works, and Deuteronomy, the two are not of a paralell scope. one teaches of the unltimate sacrifice, love, forgivness, while the other mostly deals with oppression and Murder. The latter does not fit with Jesus's teachings. So from that point I would Sumise someone either took the word of God and tainted it with his own bit's, or just wanted a way to make it look like the orders came from a higher source. *as the Pharoes did*.
An image of Hammurabi receiving the Code of Hammurabi from the Babylonian sun god (probably Shamash) is depicted on the frieze on the south wall of the U.S. Supreme Court building. So yes religion still had a hand in the creation of those Laws.
I did not say Christianity in perticular was the only religion responsible for morality. But religion played a part in its enforcement and distribution to the people. Even Hammurabi Conceded that a god was necessary to enforce and make sure morality stood untested by man. Why would he need to say a god made these laws, unless he Knew that human kind was not Moral by nature and would only follow the law if there were dire consequences for breaking them.
You believe humankind is naturally moral? what about the folks who run around killing folks for thier Trendy shoes or cell phones? wheres their morality? or the land lord who robbed my mom's house the night she passed away in the hospital? * his wife died of the same Cancer not more than 4 months earlier** Yup he was real moral too. No morality is taught no inherited, nor natural.
Is it programing? or desenitization along with the subjects rationalizing of the task being performed, combine this with the absence of culpability and you have an anarchic society. Which conterdicts the idea Humans are Moral by nature and reinforces they are barbaric by design. The two next quoted sentences seem to reinforce my summary..
Reply #65 Monday, December 22, 2008 5:07 AM
Not at all. Just because I defend your right to believe in something doesn't mean I have to agree with it as well.
If my belief that religion is a scam is insulting to someone...not much I can do about that...especially when I believe what I do. And I don't actively go around calling people nut jobs for believing in some religion or telling them they shouldn't believe in them...until they start to try and push it on me.
But when those beliefs impact my life in any way...honestly...I don't care who I insult...since they don't seem to care about how what they believe affects me. Thus...the "keep thy religion to thyself" comment. I also firmly believe that all religions should be taxed since they all seem to want interject these religious beliefs into government...which affects me and forces those beliefs into my life. So they should pay the admission price like everyone else.
I'd venture to say that "people" and not religion based charities do more to help soup kitchens than any religion based group. I've heard from numerous people I know how they asked a church for help and were turned down.
And...there really is no "true form" of religion...since you can take people of the same religion...ask a question and get conflicting responses. Also...no one follows any religion to a T...they take bits a pieces of a religion...the parts they agree with...and interject them into their lives and call it religion.
Now that we can agree on! I can see people and what they do. I can't see invisible men that have no impact in the world other than supposedly existing somewhere with all this perceived power but doing nothing to help.
Reply #66 Monday, December 22, 2008 5:28 AM
And let me say that if some gets hurt or feels bad with my opinion... I am really really sorry!
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Coming to topic, I can clearly say that roots this massacre are in fact within India! Look at a definition of Terrorism:
terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear) (source: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism)
Means every act which threatens the common rights of a human is terrorism! Terrorism actually emerges from the lust of power, hunger and unlawful act of government!
Look at the condition of India, a country where almost 21.6% people are living under the line of poverty (India is currently housing 13% of global poor) Moreover, India also has 228 million people, or 20.6% of the population living below $2 a day. A country where cast system is so strong that the "shooders (slaves, unholy)" are not considered to be a human. A country where every 3rd member of Legislative assembly has a criminal background and a country where almost 12 independence movements are going on!
Even if you are not convinced with this, can someone tell me what actually 700,000 Indian army is actually doing Kashmir?
The first part of ur reply is quite good but the last part indeed is true but not polite....
Some 250 years back.. India was one of the richest countries... We got independence just 60 years back and now my motherland is one of the quickest developing nations... True we are poor but it doesnt mean, we dont have the right to live...
Yes cast system is there but not so cruel as you said its improving now... and in no part of India we call anyone 'slaves' now ...only there is cast system and thats all...
Indian public does not know value of votes due to ignorance but once they know they will never cast votes to such men but the ratio you mentioned is just false....
Oh tell me the movements.. there are movements in every developing country where different cultures reside.. and jealous neighbours use this to part us but it wont happen to India again..
Recent 60% polls (record) in Kashmir shows that they are Indian and they like development and not independence.... Also Kashmir is an integral part of India and to protect its citizens from intruders and terrorists, troops have to be there.....
Reply #67 Monday, December 22, 2008 5:28 AM
By the sounds of it...I would venture to say your mother was the kind of person that would have done this even without religion since these kind of actions are not limited to people of religion.
But back to the original question...I feel there is more terrorism in the world now than there ever has been. And we know who we can thank for that...at least I do. Thanks for the crusade George! Oops...He really didn't mean to say crusade...it just kinda slipped out. 
Reply #68 Monday, December 22, 2008 5:36 AM
And the reasons for mumbai blasts were economic not religious.... They didn't attack religious places but they targeted well developed and public places... they didnt ask before killing "to which religion do you belong" ..
They wanted to arouse a fear and they did it partially.....
Reply #69 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:02 AM
Quite possibly she would have, but without the church backing her and giving her the ability to help others she may have not been able to help as many as she did. I really posted it to show Religion does do good in the world when people use their faith for good. Stemming from comments that religion only causes suffering and death that was posted earlier.
Reply #70 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:20 AM
It does have it's suny side.
However, what good does it to to feed a population just enough to stay alive so you can push your holy book on them? Their culture was supposed to die off years ago. Call it population control if you will (god's will?).
Fix the world's overpopulation and you fix every other problem ( well most).
Reply #71 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:20 AM
Well...in all fairness HG...religion to some degree has its good points...in that in the beginning of a childs upbringing that has been exposed to religion it teaches how to be a good person...after that it gets kinda iffy. But the same can be said of good parenting.
Reply #72 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:21 AM
Faith can be a wonderful thing, if you are lucky enough to find it, muster it up, and apply it.
About over-population, I've thought a lot about this, [ I once sponsored one of those children, well I'm assuming he really existed...] and donating $$ to send food packages to the poor, which may, or may not ever reach them, is just a bandaid, a temporary fix.. you see these ads with starving children, ok.. it's terrible, it's shocking, but the parents still muster the energy to, well... breed.. I think birth control would be a step in the right direction.
I don't mean to stop sending food or donations, but simply to address the over-population issue at the same time.
Learn to --->Cultivate, before you propogate 
Reply #73 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:40 AM
You assume Ive ever met any of those I have sent donations off to.. Muchless sent them a book or that I even follow only one book.. Contrary to popular belief not all religious people use kindness to pressure others in to thier religion. As I stated with my mom, she asked nothing, welcomed all, and handed out only love,food,and compassion. it was never about propogating the faith.
I do not and would never push my beliefs on others. As true faith must come from within.
I also respect the beliefs of others as they have the Right to believe as they wish. I also would expect the same in return, those who do not believe what I believe should no more call me names nor insult my beliefs in general, just because my beliefs are not the same as their own.
I love the true meaning of freedom of religion, as any one can believe or choose not to believe whatever they wish. *as long as they dont force it on others*
The poor? As long as there are rich people there will be poor ones. Only when human kind has achieved total economical balance between the haves and have nots will poverty be fully abolished.
herman I applogize for hijacking this thread, as it has nothing to do with religion. As you have stated the attacks etc are not of religious backing.
Reply #74 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:48 AM
Your Mom sounds like a wonderful lady HG, there should be more out there like her, the world would be a better, and more honest place, where people do good because they want to, not because they expect anything in return.. and if their inspiration comes from the "Good Book", more power to them!
Goodness is catching! 
Reply #75 Monday, December 22, 2008 6:58 AM
thank you Tails. I agree people should do good deeds because it's the right thing to do. And if their faith has inspired them to become an active and positive force in the community around them, then cool.
Spread the love folks.
herman keep a chin up, you have friends here who care and hope things go well for you.
Reply #76 Monday, December 22, 2008 7:44 AM
Right... but only to some degrees.... but why there is a religion which devides human from humans.... If you think those who strated religions did this for their own benefit...
Also they wanted someone to say "yes sir, right sir"
Reply #77 Monday, December 22, 2008 7:45 AM
Time to see the glass half full guys, what's the point of worrying about everything, life will pass you by, and I know there has to be some awesome stuff going on out there that we never hear about, focus on that, don't become pre-occupied with the doom & gloom in the world.
Doc & HG, very nice, positive words
Thank you, Tailsgirl. You're our bud!!! 
Reply #79 Monday, December 22, 2008 7:54 AM
That's the catch 22 though. If you are a caring person, how can you not notice what is going on around you and want to help fix/heal the problem? Be part of the solution or part of the problem they say.
Reply #80 Monday, December 22, 2008 8:04 AM
I don't ignore it, I do what I can.
I'm very aware of the state of the world, overly aware, but I don't need to wear a badge saying HEY I CARE AND I'M NOT IGNORANT, I JUST DONATED $$$$ TO THE CHRISTIAN CHILDRENS FUND.. now does it?
Just because you can't see what help someone is giving, doesn't mean they aren't giving, or active in the Community, I just don't feel the need to advertise what I've done, I don't want a reward, doing something to help, anonymously or otherwise, is reward enough - Hence, my STOP with the doom and gloom post.
Actually NT, see my first post, you may have missed my point
PS: Though I'm proud to say I'm an official Wildlife Warrior [R.I.P Steve!] 
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Reply #61 Monday, December 22, 2008 2:51 AM
true, but the way you put it you made all those within church or those doing deeds for the church sound like they are only doing so for some sort of gain, or power. Neither of which my mom got or wanted..
I said to follow the money. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear on that.
There are countries in this world where if you said that publically, you wouldn't live to see daylight.
Since Josiah was born long before Jesus was, you can't say he wasn't following the teachings of Jesus, because the teachings of Jesus didn't exist during Josiah's time period. However, Jesus claimed that he came not to change the law, but to fulfill it, so therefore Jesus's teachings would be in line with King Josiah's reforms.
This is all hypothetical, of course, spoken from a perspective of a biblical studies. Taken from a purely historical perspective, in light of the fact that ostensibly it was the responsibility of The Church (Roman Catholic) to keep the law and the scriptures, and dictate to the people the traditions of faith, if anything is in the Bible that shouldn't be there, then the very foundation of the Christian faith is faulty and none of it is to be trusted, and none of it can be relied upon as "truth." Martin Luther was brave enough to rock the world by saying the Pope was not the mouthpiece of God, but he did claim that the Bible was infallible. By what you're saying, all of it is fallible--just what CAN you trust in, if the very basis for everything you hold as truth you also hold as based on dubious foundations?
The commandment ISN'T "thou shall not kill" - in the Hebrew, it's "thou shall not commit murder." When carrying out the will of God to utterly destroy pagan civilizations to prevent "the truth" from being perverted, one is not committing murder; one is executing the will of God. If you read the book all the way to the end, you see that Jesus comes back and does a little cleaning up of His own, sending people like myself to everlasting torment, in a place of torture God created to inflict pain on beings He created for all eternity with no hope of release, so Deuteronomy isn't really all that contrary to Jesus's teachings afterall. As for that love, humility, and forgiveness--in the end, all deals are off.
No, I'm not going to give you that. "Thou shalt not kill" (and thou shalt not steal, covet...that last six), were all just plagiarism of the code of Hammurabi, which predated Moses by about 500 years. (There were also moral codes from ancient China which pre-date Moses, instructing that people refrain from committing murder and stealing). There is nothing original about the 10 commandments (except those first four about how you're suppose to behave towards God), I will NOT concede that religion shaped morality. I think morality exists outside of religion. One does not need a deity or a particular sect or religion to have morality. Kindness and respect are natural laws, like gravity, in that if one violates them, one ends up hurting oneself in the long run. Murdering someone, means you're going to inflame the wrath of the family of the murder victim, and they're going to come after you--just a natural law! Steal from someone, and your going to inflame that person's wrath, and they're going to come after you! These are all just various forms of the golden rule, which predates Moses, too! (Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, ancient Etyptian religions, paganism...they ALL contain the law of reciprocity--do unto others as you would have them do unto you.).
As for the seven deadly sins...those are pretty much in the eye of the beholder. We've made an empire banking on the deadly sins. Apply enough of Pavlov's science to the deadly sins and you have a well oiled machine, a living thing that performs out of compulsivity! (It's how I trained my dog!).
I don't think you read the article I posted about the study out of Santa Clara University -- it says people obey authority, even to the point of carrying out orders of torture, not because they want to, but because their programmed to. When I talked about the DYNAMIC of religion, what I meant was, the system of supreme authority being held over those who need to belong to that authority's movement (for whatever psychological reason), FORCES those followers to carry out the things ordered of them without seeing the evil it in. There are very few humans who have the power to change their religion (and you can find THAT in the Bible, Proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.")