Vista skinning questions.
Help me,help you...God help us all.
Thursday, July 31, 2008 by I.R. Brainiac | Discussion: Skinning
Vista,WB and me got off to a rocky start but after some super tweaking help and finally getting WB installed correctly...my hatred of Vista has cooled to merely annoyance with some of the gui decisions microsoft made.With the right tweaks it runs fine even on my mediocre system.(turn off LOTS of stuff,all animations,popup thumbnails,superfetch and on and on...)
WB now does some pretty neat stuff on Vista and thats what finally won me over...well,at least I dont leave Vista at the earliest opportunity. 
SKS6 still cant touch 5 for ease of use(and never will in its current layout),but to skin Vista you have to get over it and dig in.You may click yourself silly but it DOES have some nifty features.It supports all the latest tricks now and the subframe builder is pretty cool.Vertically stacked images are back!YAY Neil. 
So I'm gonna use this screeny to ask some questions while I test different areas to see what they do.If you KNOW the answer please chime in.If you have a question,please fell free to ask.
My first tip for the counterintuitive section is...User pane icon would not move DOWN on the pane til I used NEGATIVE top content margins in the text tab.
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vogliadicane
Reply #42 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:40 AM
yes shure, it´s WB (together with Vista).
But sometimes SkS even boosts confusion.
e.g. toolbar buttons: text states to modify are messed up.
mouse-over=disabled
disabled=mouse-over
The problem now is in the preview of SkS: It doesn´t show how WB reacts to the code but what would show up if those states were correct. So no chance to realize there´s something wrong and complete confusion is perfect...
Reply #42 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:40 AM
Adam finally drilled this into my head(the old SKS developer),SKS just writes the code...
yes shure, it´s WB (together with Vista).
But sometimes SkS even boosts confusion.
e.g. toolbar buttons: text states to modify are messed up.
mouse-over=disabled
disabled=mouse-over
The problem now is in the preview of SkS: It doesn´t show how WB reacts to the code but what would show up if those states were correct. So no chance to realize there´s something wrong and complete confusion is perfect...
vogliadicane
Reply #43 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:50 AM
ok. well, this comes out with this annoying trial-and-error-thing...
Reply #43 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:50 AM
Yeah, they both do the same thing. Button type 2 has priority over TSMB if you skin them both. Perhaps they are used differently between diferent software but I haven't run into that yet.
ok. well, this comes out with this annoying trial-and-error-thing...
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #44 Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:00 AM
Start button not huge...top 3 leaves are on the logoff graphic...same end result tho...tall logoff graphic...not going to redesign it so misaligned it shall be.
Thank you Pixel Pirate for clearing up the mystery.
Now,has anyone got the IE7 background to work...right now its using the rebar background(normal toolbar background).I added one but it didnt switch. (
Reply #44 Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:00 AM
And it appears Brainy added extra transparent space to his bottom image on the screenshot to lift it over the huge start button.
Start button not huge...top 3 leaves are on the logoff graphic...same end result tho...tall logoff graphic...not going to redesign it so misaligned it shall be.
Thank you Pixel Pirate for clearing up the mystery.
Now,has anyone got the IE7 background to work...right now its using the rebar background(normal toolbar background).I added one but it didnt switch. (
NightTrainthedark
Reply #45 Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:19 AM
nope
Maybe you can use the start button glow image set to always show for the leaves instead of it being part of the start panel
Reply #45 Sunday, August 3, 2008 9:19 AM
Now,has anyone got the IE7 background to work...
nope
Maybe you can use the start button glow image set to always show for the leaves instead of it being part of the start panel
Xiandi
Reply #46 Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:33 AM
Reply #46 Sunday, August 3, 2008 10:33 AM
I just wanted to pop in here and say thanks to you all. This Q&A session has been answering some questions I had myself, and I'm sure there are many other skinners following this thread as well, for the same reason. Keep it up! 
SKoriginals
Reply #47 Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:51 PM
Is there even a 'section' to skin that? I don't recall and can find it if there is. I do know it uses the toolbar background to skin that and (for whatever odd reason) pure white acts as clear on the 'tab corners' and 'Bottom Tba Bar' (just wierd).
Reply #47 Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:51 PM
has anyone got the IE7 background to work
Is there even a 'section' to skin that? I don't recall and can find it if there is. I do know it uses the toolbar background to skin that and (for whatever odd reason) pure white acts as clear on the 'tab corners' and 'Bottom Tba Bar' (just wierd).
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #48 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:00 PM
That would make it tall enough to interfere with status bars and minimized windows like the ones SKS and photoshop use.It already does enough that I have to move the first in a row up a little before I can click the restore button.
There is a section in Rebar controls but it dosnt seem to work.I wanted to see the bottom of my IE7 toolbar background so I made all elements of the tabs transparent exceept for the tabs.But that leaves some extra space at the bottom and I needed to use a diff background to compensate...no go so far. (
Plus I wanted some seperation between the toolbar and the page frame...like between the address area and toolbar.A diff graphic would allow me to do that.If it worked.
Reply #48 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:00 PM
Maybe you can use the start button glow image set to always show for the leaves instead of it being part of the start panel
That would make it tall enough to interfere with status bars and minimized windows like the ones SKS and photoshop use.It already does enough that I have to move the first in a row up a little before I can click the restore button.
Is there even a 'section' to skin that?
There is a section in Rebar controls but it dosnt seem to work.I wanted to see the bottom of my IE7 toolbar background so I made all elements of the tabs transparent exceept for the tabs.But that leaves some extra space at the bottom and I needed to use a diff background to compensate...no go so far. (
Plus I wanted some seperation between the toolbar and the page frame...like between the address area and toolbar.A diff graphic would allow me to do that.If it worked.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #49 Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:58 PM
Reply #49 Sunday, August 3, 2008 8:58 PM
These minimized captions buttons are wrong too...its showing a button inside a button...and the outer button isnt even rendered correctly...it has a color block in the center.
The white area is your window color...the green part is either classic menu or menubar color.(the same color on this blind)Text is window/system text color.
crappy box around my buttons is classic buttonface...grrrrrr
The white area is your window color...the green part is either classic menu or menubar color.(the same color on this blind)Text is window/system text color.
crappy box around my buttons is classic buttonface...grrrrrr
2of3
Reply #52 Monday, August 4, 2008 5:23 PM
Reply #52 Monday, August 4, 2008 5:23 PM
yeah.....it's much worse than screaming 
Note to self:
It's ok to hang out with ZubaZ, but I don't have to emulate his speeling habits
Note to self:
It's ok to hang out with ZubaZ, but I don't have to emulate his speeling habits
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #53 Monday, August 4, 2008 5:28 PM
Reply #53 Monday, August 4, 2008 5:28 PM
Jump up and down screaming I can do...pulling out hair is becoming more difficult. 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #55 Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:09 AM
Reply #55 Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:09 AM
Big tip...if you edit the code view window your change probably WONT show up in your blind on apply...you need to change one of the spin button settings somewhere(anywhere)and change it back...so SKS realises you have made a change in need of saving.
The additional buttons section has no setting for vertically stacked images or trans and perpixel...you will have to copy them from a standard button and use the trick above.
The additional buttons section has no setting for vertically stacked images or trans and perpixel...you will have to copy them from a standard button and use the trick above.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #56 Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:06 AM
Reply #56 Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:06 AM
Restored window...with some fudging,you can get the button to line up in the address bar...but once the windoww is maxxed they are misaligned and cutoff on the bottom...plus the icon shifts over. 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #57 Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:09 AM
Reply #57 Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:09 AM
Left most IE tab sits low when not selected...all others are fine...how do you change the text colors ad fonts there?
SKoriginals
Reply #58 Thursday, August 7, 2008 2:09 AM
Reply #58 Thursday, August 7, 2008 2:09 AM
Can't say I've noticed either of those last 2 IR (and I just checked them on my current skin) so I'm not sure how its happening or how to fix it. The text and its color on the IE tabs can not be changed that I know of, maybe one day.
**Edit**
Correction, on the 'windows explorer' windows I do see that one thing happening on the maxed windows... still not sure there is a correction for it yet.
**Edit**
Correction, on the 'windows explorer' windows I do see that one thing happening on the maxed windows... still not sure there is a correction for it yet.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #59 Thursday, August 7, 2008 7:29 PM
Reply #59 Thursday, August 7, 2008 7:29 PM
Whenever I open the preview pane in Layout...my translucent window parts all go opaque. 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #60 Thursday, August 7, 2008 7:53 PM
Reply #60 Thursday, August 7, 2008 7:53 PM
This buttonface color showing in places it shouldnt needs to be fixed.
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Reply #41 Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:31 AM
Yeah, they both do the same thing. Button type 2 has priority over TSMB if you skin them both. Perhaps they are used differently between diferent software but I haven't run into that yet.