So.....you have no health care?

Then you need to visit this site!

Sunday, July 13, 2008 by WebGizmos | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

This is a site you need to visit to find out when this group will be visiting your area.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/60minutes/main3889496.shtml

"Recently, 60 Minutes heard about an American relief organization that airdrops doctors and medicine into the jungles of the Amazon. It's called Remote Area Medical, or "RAM" for short.

As correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last March, Remote Area Medical sets up emergency clinics where the needs are greatest. But these days that's not the Amazon. This charity founded to help people who can't reach medical care finds itself throwing America a lifeline.

In a matter of hours, Remote Area Medical set up its massive clinic, for a weekend, in an exhibit hall in Knoxville, Tenn. Tools for dentists were laid out by the yard, optometrists prepared to make hundreds of pairs of glasses, general medical doctors set up for whatever might come though the door. Nearly everything is donated, and everyone is a volunteer. The care is free. But no one could say how many patients might show up."
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Bushman
Reply #61 Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:06 PM
Web are you and starkers sitting next to each other   Finally some people who think like I do about "our" government. WebGizmos, starkers, NT and others have expressed most of my feelings, but I would like to say what needs to be done is that we (the people) excersize our Constitional right to remove a screwed up government (like Web stated). Unfortuneitly only a violent revolt will actually work, it's gotten that bad. Hummm maybe if the gov had to divert troops from this senseless war to handle the revolt wouldn't be a bad thing.    The entire polictical system here in the US has to be changed from the bottom to the top before any real changes can happen, the system is too corrupt now for any thing to change. Just take a look at our so called presidental candidates. They were pre-selected by the same corrupt government leaders responsiable for this mess, not by us. They were choosen not for what good they could do this country, but for what they could do for them.   

I'm a retired social worker so I've had my share of run ins with the gov regarding health care and all I can say is that there is no health care for most of us, what we have in place is sicking and disgraceful, I have some medical problems that I need treatment for and if it were not for me serving in the military I would be screwed because I can't afford health care. European countries have the right idea when it comes to health care, we don't adopt it because there's no money in it. Enough said. Oh one word "ANARCHY" "ANARCHY".  sorry that was two!  

WebGizmos
Reply #62 Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:33 PM
I always knew there was something about NT I liked besides his skins! I totally agree that religions need to start paying taxes. That...or they need to "Keep thy religion to thy self" and stay out of politics. If they want a say in politics....pay the admission price like the rest of us!

And seriously Bushman...it could be entirely possible to cause change just by sheer numbers in people sticking together. And I wouldn't worry about troops getting in the way...remember that all of them have family here and more tan likely would like to see change as well. Besides....thanks to the idiot running the loony bin now our troops are stretched to thin to have to deal with a revolt.

starkers
Reply #63 Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:13 PM
So very true but the insurance lobbyists cover their bases by giving to everyone except their clients.


Yup, too many rich and powerful people in bed together... so what's needed is for the less fortunate to all get on the bandwagon together and protest loudly in their bedrooms... an en-mass coitus interruptus of the richus, if you will.

I've been an full time activist ever since the 60's...


Me too.... well I was up until 2 Tasmanian Government officials threatened me with reprisals if I didn't shut up and go away... 'tis sad when government and its bureaucrats use the law/police to threaten and intimidate/make you go away. And all I was trying to do was get them to administer the law as it stood to protect my 15 yo runaway stepdaughter from predators... herself. Bah... a waste of time... there was no money in it for them.

Creating docks is my therapy and keeps me out of the gun towers!


Hehe, all that's keeping me from climbing the gun towers is me hook n' peg leg...Aarrgghh!!


starkers
Reply #64 Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:48 PM
The entire polictical system here in the US has to be changed from the bottom to the top before any real changes can happen, the system is too corrupt now for any thing to change.


Same here in Australia... guess that's why I know something of US politics. Apart from what I see on the news about the US, Oz politics is entrenched with greed, corruption and incumbents who think they own their seat in parliament, so therefore believe they don't have to work for the people/common good to retain it. Yup, they're all tarred with the same brush orright... oh well, guess we could always use them as torches when the power goes out.

And yeah, the churches should have to pay taxes... taxes that are legislated to be ploughed back into the community... not gov't coffers for a rainy day/fringe benefits/salary increases. The amount of wealth the churches sit on to keep their hierarchies living in the lap of luxury is obscene.

Got no time for organised religion, either... too full of greed and corruption, not to mention protecting past/present sexual predators in shrouds of secrecy/passive resistance to law enforcement. Well put it this way, the church/clergy would not be above the law or beyond legal reprisal if I were in power... tho the full extent of the law is pretty piss weak these days. I'd have ter bring back the stocks and pillories... and me fav'rites, keel'auling and the cat o' nine.

ZubaZ
Reply #65 Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:54 PM

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.  It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.

"From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.  These nations have progressed through this sequence:

"From bondage to spiritual faith;
 from spiritual faith to great courage;
 from courage to liberty;
 from liberty to abundance;
 from abundance to selfishness;
 from selfishness to apathy;
 from apathy to dependence;
 from dependency back again into bondage."

Dr. Alexander Tytler, a Scot professor, wrote a scholarly tome, from which this concept comes,  called "The Athenian Republic" which was published shortly before the thirteen American colonies gained independence from Britain.  "Google" him to learn more.


Funny how old news is still news


Fuzzy Logic
Reply #66 Friday, July 18, 2008 2:41 AM
Same news, different names...

Lantec
Reply #67 Friday, July 18, 2008 7:34 AM
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."


Scary......if I apply a time line to this.......the last 15-20 years have definitely been in the "dependence" era

Bushman
Reply #68 Friday, July 18, 2008 8:01 AM
And seriously Bushman...it could be entirely possible to cause change just by sheer numbers in people sticking together. And I wouldn't worry about troops getting in the way...remember that all of them have family here and more tan likely would like to see change as well. Besides....thanks to the idiot running the loony bin now our troops are stretched to thin to have to deal with a revolt.


I wish that was true Web but all the troops would be bound by military law and creed along with the treat of courtmartial and possibly death for treason to do what they are told to do, and they would, History is full of that, so I don't have faith in that part.   

WebGizmos
Reply #69 Friday, July 18, 2008 8:49 AM
all the troops would be bound by military law and creed along with the treat of court martial and possibly death for treason to do what they are told to do, and they would, History is full of that, so I don't have faith in that part.


I seriously doubt the public at large would stand for that...I sure as hell wouldn't. And if this government is going to try and use our own troops on our own people...well...lets just say I alone know a lot of armed citizens. And if a mass revolt is done in a peaceful manner I doubt our troops would cross that line.

DaveRI
Reply #70 Friday, July 18, 2008 7:41 PM
And if a mass revolt is done in a peaceful manner I doubt our troops would cross that line.


Not sure that I'd count on that. Remember Kent State? And that was even relatively peaceful.

There would as always be different opinions on what the "Right" thing is. I imagine if push came to shove, the usual rules would apply - he who has the most guns/bullets/bombs/people/strategies/etc. wins.

Good thread, by the way.

Bushman
Reply #71 Friday, July 18, 2008 8:00 PM
Sorry Web but having been in the military I kind of know what most (I said most) of troops will do and that is follow orders. Yu and I might not stand for it, but most of our citizens will because most do not want to mess up what they have now. Unfortunitly I don't believe you can get a mass peaceful revolt, it may start out peacefully but as soon as the powers to be push it will turn ugly. DaveRI made a good point,when push comes to shove w/o arms the revolt will lose. It's sad but Americans are so spoilded with their lifestyles that most will do nothing that would interfer with taking that away. That's just the cold hard facts.   

starkers
Reply #72 Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:18 AM
You know, guys, it really, really worries me when people start talking guns and revolution in the same sentence... so let's hope change can be effected diplomatically and via peaceful political processes, because, alternatively, it's inevitable that gov't reprisals would be in the form of military intervention and thus could only end in widespread bloodshed and the unnecessary deaths of innocents.

Sadly, governments believe they have a right to control, rather than to govern/serve, and as history shows us, they are completely ruthless in quashing anything that threatens to usurp their authority... so yes, unless the rank and file could first usurp authority and control from military hardliners/gov't puppets, the armed forces would follow orders (for fear of being shot for treason) and open fire on those who challenge their masters.

when push comes to shove w/o arms the revolt will lose.


Sorry, but even with arms the revolt would lose... in fact, both sides would lose! The only winners would perhaps be future generations... from the lessons learned. Besides, the military is trained to deal with armed conflict, so unless the revolt was extremely well drilled, disciplined and organised, as opposed to the historically disorganised rabble with inferior resources, it would be doomed to failure against a far superior, better equipped foe.

I don't know what the answer is, being that the politicians have it all stitched up, but I sure as hell hope that it never comes to a civil war that has neighbour pitted against neighbour, brother pitted against brother... that would be horrendously abominable... anywhere in the world.

DaveRI
Reply #73 Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:39 AM
I don't see a revolt as a solution either. To me it's more a matter of constant committed pressure to maintain the separation of powers. This isn't a new idea, it's kind of what the whole structure was based upon. I suppose I think that the "other" powers which haven't been successfully addressed are "Wealth" and "Religion". I'm not even going to start on Religion.

Goes back to my earlier statement regarding the blurring of the line between government and the corporate world (e.g. healthcare) which is what got me going on all this. And of course there is concentrated personal wealth. I honestly believe we need to continually work to drive a wedge between money and government, or at the very least know who's been throwing cash at the candidates. It's the old money/power thing vs. representation of the people.

This is a link to OpenSecrets.org - Money in Politics WWW Link As far as I know it's objective, but who really knows for sure. I put it here a little reluctantly because it's already so friggin' slow    I do honestly think that the best indicators of what you might expect from candidates are where they've been, what they've done, and who's throwing money at them. After all, elect those oil boys and the oil industry sure does seem to do great, doesn't it? This is not the first time this has happened. [can't really think of an emoticon to express how I feel about this]

Which leads me to another thing that always amazes me. The US will have impeachment procedings for a president who fools around sexually, which is (moral judgements aside) a relatively common practice amongst the powerful. Yet a president goes to war based upon manipulated intelligence, ignores and continues to ignore one of the larger natural disasters in U.S. history (New Orleans), turns the largest treasury suplus in history into the largest treasury deficit in history, and things are strangely quiet. I don't get it.

starkers
Reply #74 Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:29 AM
The US will have impeachment procedings for a president who fools around sexually

Yet a president goes to war based upon manipulated intelligence


Yup, when it comes to lies, I know that much I'd prefer "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" over "I know Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." any day.

OK, so Clinton had some dalliances with a White House intern or three, but in comparison that's insignificant and more easily forgiven and forgotten than the stain Bush inflicted on humanity with his "If you're not with us you're agin us" and gotta invade Iraq mentality.

I sure as hell hope Bush has the most absolute nastiest taste in his mouth for the rest of his days... er, for an eternity for these evils against mankind.




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