So.....you have no health care?
Then you need to visit this site!
Sunday, July 13, 2008 by WebGizmos | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
This is a site you need to visit to find out when this group will be visiting your area.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/60minutes/main3889496.shtml
"Recently, 60 Minutes heard about an American relief organization that airdrops doctors and medicine into the jungles of the Amazon. It's called Remote Area Medical, or "RAM" for short.
As correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last March, Remote Area Medical sets up emergency clinics where the needs are greatest. But these days that's not the Amazon. This charity founded to help people who can't reach medical care finds itself throwing America a lifeline.
In a matter of hours, Remote Area Medical set up its massive clinic, for a weekend, in an exhibit hall in Knoxville, Tenn. Tools for dentists were laid out by the yard, optometrists prepared to make hundreds of pairs of glasses, general medical doctors set up for whatever might come though the door. Nearly everything is donated, and everyone is a volunteer. The care is free. But no one could say how many patients might show up."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/60minutes/main3889496.shtml
"Recently, 60 Minutes heard about an American relief organization that airdrops doctors and medicine into the jungles of the Amazon. It's called Remote Area Medical, or "RAM" for short.
As correspondent Scott Pelley first reported last March, Remote Area Medical sets up emergency clinics where the needs are greatest. But these days that's not the Amazon. This charity founded to help people who can't reach medical care finds itself throwing America a lifeline.
In a matter of hours, Remote Area Medical set up its massive clinic, for a weekend, in an exhibit hall in Knoxville, Tenn. Tools for dentists were laid out by the yard, optometrists prepared to make hundreds of pairs of glasses, general medical doctors set up for whatever might come though the door. Nearly everything is donated, and everyone is a volunteer. The care is free. But no one could say how many patients might show up."
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Lantec
Reply #22 Monday, July 14, 2008 8:12 AM
Reply #22 Monday, July 14, 2008 8:12 AM
Stand back....I'm gonna deter from the party line......
I personally believe that nationalized healthcare such as Canada and the UK have is the way we should go. I believe that this should include things like assisted care and hospice. I'm sure it would result in the rich getting a better quality "pay" care but at least everyone would have some guaranteed care.
I also believe pharmaceutical companies should be regulated the same way many utilities are. Told how much they can charge based on ACTUAL expenses on R&D. There's just too much profit involved and too many maintenance prescriptions nowadays. The doctor's push the chloresterol medications like they're candy. Anything they can get you to take daily is the pharmaceutical cash-cow. That being the case...where do you think most R&D is aimed at? Do you think someone will come up with a "cure" for ANY disease if they can come up with a medication you'll have to take for the rest of your life instead? If you do, you've got a bad case of cranial rectumitis or you're a liberal.
I personally believe that nationalized healthcare such as Canada and the UK have is the way we should go. I believe that this should include things like assisted care and hospice. I'm sure it would result in the rich getting a better quality "pay" care but at least everyone would have some guaranteed care.
I also believe pharmaceutical companies should be regulated the same way many utilities are. Told how much they can charge based on ACTUAL expenses on R&D. There's just too much profit involved and too many maintenance prescriptions nowadays. The doctor's push the chloresterol medications like they're candy. Anything they can get you to take daily is the pharmaceutical cash-cow. That being the case...where do you think most R&D is aimed at? Do you think someone will come up with a "cure" for ANY disease if they can come up with a medication you'll have to take for the rest of your life instead? If you do, you've got a bad case of cranial rectumitis or you're a liberal.
WebGizmos
Reply #23 Monday, July 14, 2008 8:44 AM
Reply #23 Monday, July 14, 2008 8:44 AM
I agree Lantec!
And here's a tip if you should even try to buy health care insurance. When they say all doctors will accept they're insurance...ask which ones actually participate! They play with these words. All doctors will accept any insurance...but they don't all participate. Big difference. I even had one sell me insurance knowing full well what my address was and played this game with me....I later found out that the only hospital that actually accepted the plan was 100 miles away!!!!!! Luckily I got my money back.
Another one stuck me for the enrollment fee of $135.00 even though I hadn't even used the plan once...after I found out the plan was useless.
Basically...unless the people of this country get off they're collective asses and throw these assholes out of government that spend billions on useless stuff that really benefits no one we will never have health care. Who gives a rats ass about whats in space....its space!....there's nothing there! Except now a billion dollar satellite that crashed! A lot of good that did for us huh?
And of course there's the Bush trillion dollar crusade to increase...uh...I mean...rid the world of terrorism. How's that working out so far?
We need a new government that actually works for the people....not against them!
Anyone with me!? OK!....Lets....Oh wait...look!....the simpsons and southpark are on! Never mind!
And here's a tip if you should even try to buy health care insurance. When they say all doctors will accept they're insurance...ask which ones actually participate! They play with these words. All doctors will accept any insurance...but they don't all participate. Big difference. I even had one sell me insurance knowing full well what my address was and played this game with me....I later found out that the only hospital that actually accepted the plan was 100 miles away!!!!!! Luckily I got my money back.
Another one stuck me for the enrollment fee of $135.00 even though I hadn't even used the plan once...after I found out the plan was useless.
Basically...unless the people of this country get off they're collective asses and throw these assholes out of government that spend billions on useless stuff that really benefits no one we will never have health care. Who gives a rats ass about whats in space....its space!....there's nothing there! Except now a billion dollar satellite that crashed! A lot of good that did for us huh?
And of course there's the Bush trillion dollar crusade to increase...uh...I mean...rid the world of terrorism. How's that working out so far?
We need a new government that actually works for the people....not against them!
Anyone with me!? OK!....Lets....Oh wait...look!....the simpsons and southpark are on! Never mind!
ZubaZ
Reply #24 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:15 AM
Reply #24 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:15 AM
The issues with medical care stem from long before any Bush was in office. While I can agree to disagree with some of the choices the president has made, blaming him is not the answer and neither is removing him from office. Beating the drum that it's the president's or the government's fault for the current crisis is not helping the situation.
I think malpractice insurance and incredibly high student loans are closer to the root of the problem with health care. That, and the fact that we are a less healthy people and demand to be healthy.
As to regulating the PharmaCos . . I hate more govt in my life, getting in the way of a free market . .but in this case . . I might be able to get behind it. Having said that though . . my Grandparents did pretty well with the meds they had. Why are Dr.s prescribing so much of the new, expensive drugs? Are they that much better?
I think malpractice insurance and incredibly high student loans are closer to the root of the problem with health care. That, and the fact that we are a less healthy people and demand to be healthy.
As to regulating the PharmaCos . . I hate more govt in my life, getting in the way of a free market . .but in this case . . I might be able to get behind it. Having said that though . . my Grandparents did pretty well with the meds they had. Why are Dr.s prescribing so much of the new, expensive drugs? Are they that much better?
WebGizmos
Reply #25 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:44 AM
Reply #25 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:44 AM
Well Zubaz....when you have a president spending trillions of dollars on a pointless crusade...then yes....he is most definitely part of the problem....like it or not. If may not have stemmed from his office....but he sure as hell used a sledgehammer to nail it into the ground. It yes it does help the situation because to many people have their collective heads in the sand and need to be woken up...or you can just die on the steps of the hospital.
Malpractice could be contributing to part of the problem but I think its just a byproduct of the bigger problem...but I don't see how student loans are though. As far as demanding to be healthy....we work ourselves to death in this country to pay for all these bonehead projects our witless leaders dream up...so you bet your ass I need health care when the time comes. They get it for free....why not us? "WE" are the ones that keep this country going....NOT the idiots on capital hill. And those idiots know we are all bigger idiots for letting them get away with the things they do...and you know what...WE ARE!
As far as the Drug companies...if you keep paying high prices for drugs they will keep selling them to you at even higher prices. They have drugs now for every itch you have. And they spend billions of dollars on schmoozing the doctors to push these drugs...not because you need them...but because they get kickbacks when they tell you you need them and you buy them. I've seen the drug rooms these doctors have in their offices...they are huge...stocked floor to ceiling with free drugs from the reps that get thrown in the garbage if they aren't given out. They are catered with lavish spreads of food just about every day...and not just for the doctors...the entire staff. And not just food...you name it...they got it...pencils...pens...pads...etc...etc.
And another part of the problem is they have people...especially children...so damn medicated they can't even think straight...and if you get an itch...well...that's serious...you need medication. Feeling a little down from life? Well....we got this great little pill for you to try...it may make you feel like jumping off a bridge while you have anal leakage and it kills all your organs...but you'll feel great on the way down!
But when it comes right down to it....its our fault for allowing it all to happen. Unless people get off their collective asses and stand up and say enough is enough....nothing...no amount of bitching here is going to do a damn thing to change it.
Malpractice could be contributing to part of the problem but I think its just a byproduct of the bigger problem...but I don't see how student loans are though. As far as demanding to be healthy....we work ourselves to death in this country to pay for all these bonehead projects our witless leaders dream up...so you bet your ass I need health care when the time comes. They get it for free....why not us? "WE" are the ones that keep this country going....NOT the idiots on capital hill. And those idiots know we are all bigger idiots for letting them get away with the things they do...and you know what...WE ARE!
As far as the Drug companies...if you keep paying high prices for drugs they will keep selling them to you at even higher prices. They have drugs now for every itch you have. And they spend billions of dollars on schmoozing the doctors to push these drugs...not because you need them...but because they get kickbacks when they tell you you need them and you buy them. I've seen the drug rooms these doctors have in their offices...they are huge...stocked floor to ceiling with free drugs from the reps that get thrown in the garbage if they aren't given out. They are catered with lavish spreads of food just about every day...and not just for the doctors...the entire staff. And not just food...you name it...they got it...pencils...pens...pads...etc...etc.
And another part of the problem is they have people...especially children...so damn medicated they can't even think straight...and if you get an itch...well...that's serious...you need medication. Feeling a little down from life? Well....we got this great little pill for you to try...it may make you feel like jumping off a bridge while you have anal leakage and it kills all your organs...but you'll feel great on the way down!
But when it comes right down to it....its our fault for allowing it all to happen. Unless people get off their collective asses and stand up and say enough is enough....nothing...no amount of bitching here is going to do a damn thing to change it.
ZubaZ
Reply #27 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:57 AM
Reply #27 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:57 AM
But when it comes right down to it....its our fault for allowing it all to happen. Unless people get off their collective asses and stand up and say enough is enough....nothing...no amount of bitching here is going to do a damn thing to change it.
Amen Brother.
elvee
Reply #28 Monday, July 14, 2008 2:43 PM
Reply #28 Monday, July 14, 2008 2:43 PM
Some Insurance Companies have a Pre-Existing period when you first start your insurance.(usually the first 6 months)
Meaning every time you need medical help where you have to file a claim in that 6 month period, the insurance co. will request up to 18 months worth medical records before your claim date to determine if it is a pre-existing condition. If it is, They will not pay. That is wrong.
Meaning every time you need medical help where you have to file a claim in that 6 month period, the insurance co. will request up to 18 months worth medical records before your claim date to determine if it is a pre-existing condition. If it is, They will not pay. That is wrong.
Leo the Lion
Reply #29 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:29 PM
Reply #29 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:29 PM
Well, soon you have the chance to address this problem........I'm not a US national and therefore I don't have a vote........but the US has the opportunity to ask Obama or McCain what they are going to do about this situation........and then vote accordingly........and then pray to god that they follow through on their word........and what is the chance of that happening!!!
I love my adopted country - the USA - and I consider myself to be very fortunate to be a legal Permanent Resident here but to see so many people deprived of basic health care because of cost and the the 'profiteering' system is just so so wrong
I love my adopted country - the USA - and I consider myself to be very fortunate to be a legal Permanent Resident here but to see so many people deprived of basic health care because of cost and the the 'profiteering' system is just so so wrong
ZubaZ
Reply #30 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:47 PM
Reply #30 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:47 PM
I think you all are under the mis-apprehension that teh President of the United States has more power than he does. It is the place of the Congress and the courts to keep him in check.
I agree that we should listen to the candidates and vote (or, if you can't, speak out) your beliefs. But if you are not voting and writing and calling your representitves at every local and federal level you are failing to back your beliefs.
One of the blessing of runnign for president is that they can promise any stupid-ass thing they want knowing full well that congress will shut them down. Then you'll hear at the State of the Union, "Well, I tried but those {other party members} wouldn't let me do what you sent me here to do." Bullshit of course . . but entirely correct.
And don't start spewing off about "free" health care. Because, in the end, it'll be the wealthy and the middle-class paying for the poor. Now, I don't know about you but I want to choose which poor people I give my money to. I'd rather not have the Feds take my money, add their costs, and then give it to someone else they think needs it. If I had to go that direction let me do it at the state or city level so the people responsible are known to me and I can vote them out or pressure through voting to have them replaced.
I don't mean to be a hard ass . . but it's my money. I earned it. I should have some control over it. And unless the constitution is ammended so I have to give it up, I'd rather not. Thank you very much!
I agree that we should listen to the candidates and vote (or, if you can't, speak out) your beliefs. But if you are not voting and writing and calling your representitves at every local and federal level you are failing to back your beliefs.
One of the blessing of runnign for president is that they can promise any stupid-ass thing they want knowing full well that congress will shut them down. Then you'll hear at the State of the Union, "Well, I tried but those {other party members} wouldn't let me do what you sent me here to do." Bullshit of course . . but entirely correct.
And don't start spewing off about "free" health care. Because, in the end, it'll be the wealthy and the middle-class paying for the poor. Now, I don't know about you but I want to choose which poor people I give my money to. I'd rather not have the Feds take my money, add their costs, and then give it to someone else they think needs it. If I had to go that direction let me do it at the state or city level so the people responsible are known to me and I can vote them out or pressure through voting to have them replaced.
I don't mean to be a hard ass . . but it's my money. I earned it. I should have some control over it. And unless the constitution is ammended so I have to give it up, I'd rather not. Thank you very much!
vStyler
Reply #31 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:54 PM
Reply #31 Monday, July 14, 2008 9:54 PM
Well, many poor folks arent poor from lazyness.. I suppose they should all just die?
and. they are dying.
and. they are dying.
ZubaZ
Reply #32 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:16 PM
Reply #32 Monday, July 14, 2008 10:16 PM
Well, many poor folks arent poor from lazyness.. I suppose they should all just die?
I never said that. But the feds aren't known for managing money well, now are they? and. they are dying.
Rich folks die too. And they don't take it with them either.
eieio
Reply #34 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:45 AM
Reply #34 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:45 AM
Health Care does not equal Health Care Insurance ...
... despite the fact that so many have successfully blurred the line between the two sufficiently for the majority of Americans to see no distinction.
It's difficult to even discuss with so many unable or unwilling to see the difference.
If you want to talk about the quality of Health Care available in America, that's one thing. It's doubtful that it is surpassed by anyone.
Availability and/or affordability is another matter entirely. That where the Insurance part comes into play; not to mention the actual costs incurred.
... despite the fact that so many have successfully blurred the line between the two sufficiently for the majority of Americans to see no distinction.
It's difficult to even discuss with so many unable or unwilling to see the difference.
If you want to talk about the quality of Health Care available in America, that's one thing. It's doubtful that it is surpassed by anyone.
Availability and/or affordability is another matter entirely. That where the Insurance part comes into play; not to mention the actual costs incurred.
starkers
Reply #35 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:22 AM
That's exactly it... and health professionals and health insurance just don't get it....
... a "$110, 000" bill for knee replacements, for Christ's sake. Even some wealthy folks would have trouble paying for that... so what hope in hell has a needy poor person of getting the health care they need!!!!
I've read here that it's not the fault of the doctors, and I've read that it's not the fault of the health insurance companies... and that is total BULLSHIT!!! Out and out greed on both sides is the reason why health care is out of the reach of poor people.. no more, nothing less.
Trouble is, the American way of doing things is infiltrating the health system here in Oz - what with the gov't offloading its health care responsibilities left, right and centre to private concerns and American owned insurance companies that care more about profit than the health of the contributors they fleece for everything they can get.
I can't afford private health insurance... and even if I could, I'd never get my money's worth because they'd deem I have too many pre-existing conditions and would never pay out. Yep, they'd take my money all right... but it'd be 100% profit.
We had a pretty good health system, based pretty much on the British system, but it has gone to pot in recent years and health care is becoming harder to get... what with private patients now able to occupy a public hospital bed ahead of public patients... and with whole wards in public hospitals being closed because gov't has become tight as a fishes arse, wanting to leave the lion's share of funding up the the profiteering private sector.
I have a litany of complaints about health care here in Oz since Paul Keating paved the way for lil Johnny to sign that (so-called) free trade agreement with the US, because it has dramatically gone downhill big time now that major drug and health insurance companies have established footholds in what wasn't broken until they got a hold of it.
Seems to me, since the War of Independence, the American way is so entrenched in bucking the Westminster system of things, people there would tolerate huge internal injustices than look at what is good about it... and universal health care for all IS a GOOD thing. Yeah, I know, Americans would rather trust a profiteer because there's corruption in government... FUCK, who hasn't got corruption in government, but I'd still prefer the old Westminster way of doing things, that provides health care, than put my faith in profit motivated corporate entities that see me only as a dollar sign.
I know a lot of US members won't like what I've said, but quite frankly, I don't give a stuff... have unnecessarily suffered too much under this new system of things to care whether or not I've upset anyone. That's right!! I don't care!! I've been needing to see a specialist for the last 5 years about some injury related issues... and I'm no closer to seeing one than I was 5 years ago. That's right... NO EFFING closer...
A recent inquiry with the hospital dep't revealed that I will NEVER be seen by a doctor for a debilitating issue that has made my life a misery for years now. I'm told that I'm on a waiting list to be put on the specialists clinics waiting lists... and that (according to a friend who works at the hospital) means my patient file has been marked as inactive and returned to the archives... thus shortening my life-expectancy considerably.
Wouldn't have happened years ago... before our health system was infiltrated and taken over by greed/the money raking profit system.!!
It's a war of attrition... and the poor are losing more and more battles all the time, and their lives due to poor and/or non-existent health care... so it's obvious that they're gonna lose the war, cos more and more, money determines whether or not you live or die when you get sick.
Reply #35 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:22 AM
Well, many poor folks arent poor from lazyness..
That's exactly it... and health professionals and health insurance just don't get it....
... a "$110, 000" bill for knee replacements, for Christ's sake. Even some wealthy folks would have trouble paying for that... so what hope in hell has a needy poor person of getting the health care they need!!!!
I've read here that it's not the fault of the doctors, and I've read that it's not the fault of the health insurance companies... and that is total BULLSHIT!!! Out and out greed on both sides is the reason why health care is out of the reach of poor people.. no more, nothing less.
Trouble is, the American way of doing things is infiltrating the health system here in Oz - what with the gov't offloading its health care responsibilities left, right and centre to private concerns and American owned insurance companies that care more about profit than the health of the contributors they fleece for everything they can get.
I can't afford private health insurance... and even if I could, I'd never get my money's worth because they'd deem I have too many pre-existing conditions and would never pay out. Yep, they'd take my money all right... but it'd be 100% profit.
We had a pretty good health system, based pretty much on the British system, but it has gone to pot in recent years and health care is becoming harder to get... what with private patients now able to occupy a public hospital bed ahead of public patients... and with whole wards in public hospitals being closed because gov't has become tight as a fishes arse, wanting to leave the lion's share of funding up the the profiteering private sector.
I have a litany of complaints about health care here in Oz since Paul Keating paved the way for lil Johnny to sign that (so-called) free trade agreement with the US, because it has dramatically gone downhill big time now that major drug and health insurance companies have established footholds in what wasn't broken until they got a hold of it.
Seems to me, since the War of Independence, the American way is so entrenched in bucking the Westminster system of things, people there would tolerate huge internal injustices than look at what is good about it... and universal health care for all IS a GOOD thing. Yeah, I know, Americans would rather trust a profiteer because there's corruption in government... FUCK, who hasn't got corruption in government, but I'd still prefer the old Westminster way of doing things, that provides health care, than put my faith in profit motivated corporate entities that see me only as a dollar sign.
I know a lot of US members won't like what I've said, but quite frankly, I don't give a stuff... have unnecessarily suffered too much under this new system of things to care whether or not I've upset anyone. That's right!! I don't care!! I've been needing to see a specialist for the last 5 years about some injury related issues... and I'm no closer to seeing one than I was 5 years ago. That's right... NO EFFING closer...
A recent inquiry with the hospital dep't revealed that I will NEVER be seen by a doctor for a debilitating issue that has made my life a misery for years now. I'm told that I'm on a waiting list to be put on the specialists clinics waiting lists... and that (according to a friend who works at the hospital) means my patient file has been marked as inactive and returned to the archives... thus shortening my life-expectancy considerably.
Wouldn't have happened years ago... before our health system was infiltrated and taken over by greed/the money raking profit system.!!
It's a war of attrition... and the poor are losing more and more battles all the time, and their lives due to poor and/or non-existent health care... so it's obvious that they're gonna lose the war, cos more and more, money determines whether or not you live or die when you get sick.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #36 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:27 AM
Reply #36 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:27 AM
America is screwed. The media that once preyed on fear is now settling into a calming phase to suppress nationwide panic. When it bottleknecks, head for the hills. America in all out panic will be very ugly. Uglier than 1000 Zubazeses in stockings.
People see it coming yet do nothing. I am proud of what America is supposed to stand for. I am embarrased for what America has become. It has become a plutocracy of greed and corruption.
I wonder just how our military would respond to a revolt. I am willing to bet (my life) that they do nothing. A peaceful revolution seems possible to me. I just don't see our military harming American citizens. If 5 million of us showed up at the gates of the white house one morning, we might be heard. All we need is a leader to get behind. I propose......... ME.
But have no fear, we spent millions to record the sound of Jello wobbling for the first time in history.
People see it coming yet do nothing. I am proud of what America is supposed to stand for. I am embarrased for what America has become. It has become a plutocracy of greed and corruption.
I wonder just how our military would respond to a revolt. I am willing to bet (my life) that they do nothing. A peaceful revolution seems possible to me. I just don't see our military harming American citizens. If 5 million of us showed up at the gates of the white house one morning, we might be heard. All we need is a leader to get behind. I propose......... ME.
But have no fear, we spent millions to record the sound of Jello wobbling for the first time in history.
Lantec
Reply #37 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:15 AM
As I understand it this issue has already been addressed. When Bill Clinton was President a system was set up so that in case of revolt the UN would be brought in to establish and maintain marshall law. I forget the particulars (read the story in 2000-2001) but I believe the supplies have already been stockpiled in different places across the country.
Reply #37 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:15 AM
I wonder just how our military would respond to a revolt. I am willing to bet (my life) that they do nothing
As I understand it this issue has already been addressed. When Bill Clinton was President a system was set up so that in case of revolt the UN would be brought in to establish and maintain marshall law. I forget the particulars (read the story in 2000-2001) but I believe the supplies have already been stockpiled in different places across the country.
WebGizmos
Reply #38 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:58 AM
Reply #38 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:58 AM
First thing....I doubt our military would even have the manpower anymore to stop a revolt...they are spread so thin now that they are actually allowing convicted felons to join the military.
And screw the U.N....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
And screw the U.N....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
WebGizmos
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:59 AM
No shit!? Aw man! I missed that!
Reply #39 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:59 AM
But have no fear, we spent millions to record the sound of Jello wobbling for the first time in history.
No shit!? Aw man! I missed that!
IROKONESS
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:12 AM
Reply #40 Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:12 AM
Having lived in only 2 provinces in Canada, I can say that in Manitoba it is all free, excetp for phamaceutical(depending on income) and dentistry. I BC, well there we have to pay for our medical. You pay full price depending on your income. Really all in all quite reasonable. We have started with independent medical facilities as of late. Which is a 2 Tier resolution to the time factor as in waiting for MRI's and such..... But in my opion all is well in Canadian Health Care. My brother is a cancer survivor......
I wish one and all good health.
I wish one and all good health.
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Reply #21 Monday, July 14, 2008 7:49 AM