Question

Thursday, May 1, 2008 by Richard Mohler | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I have two recent things posted and before I updated them they both had 5 stars and when they came back they both had four stars. Why is this?  Is there a penalty for updating things that I don't know about. And before you say anything nobody rated them down they just reappeared with 4 stars..https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=3917&libid=31 & https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1343&libid=34.. Anybody have any input on why this happened? By the way they,ve both had 5 stars pretty much from the start... All I can think of is one of the mods has a problem with me..
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Leo the Lion
Reply #1 Thursday, May 1, 2008 1:45 PM
Hmmmmmm!! Very odd Rich. I would not think that a repected mod would mark down your work after it's been updated and I suspect it's a glitch in the system. Hopefully Zu or one of the other mods will be along shortly and clear this nonesense up for you and restore the five star ratings   
CarGuy1
Reply #2 Thursday, May 1, 2008 1:50 PM
When I view them, they are at 5 stars.
ZubaZ
Reply #3 Thursday, May 1, 2008 1:51 PM
And before you say anything nobody rated them down they just reappeared with 4 stars
How can you tell?
Also, a moderator could have rated it when it went through moderation.
Richard Mohler
Reply #4 Thursday, May 1, 2008 2:10 PM
Zubaz--I just know..Mods here kind of suck anyway..
If that's the case I guess I'll never be updating anything again..
Richard Mohler
Reply #5 Thursday, May 1, 2008 2:12 PM
Zubaz--If your one of them, sorry but it's true...  
angus1949
Reply #6 Thursday, May 1, 2008 2:40 PM
Numbers used as weapons? Only if you put too much stock in them. Your work speaks for itself Richard. You know if your work is good or not, everything else is just frosting. I can't imagine a mod here at WC having personal vendettas or using their "power" to alienate anyone. If such be the case then they should not be moderating submissions.
Snowman
Reply #7 Thursday, May 1, 2008 2:54 PM

Zubaz--I just know..Mods here kind of suck anyway..

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind if I ever see any of your stuff in the queue....

Matchbook
Reply #8 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:06 PM
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind if I ever see any of your stuff in the queue....


He's a Journeyman. Might be waiting some time. heh
Richard Mohler
Reply #9 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:14 PM
Snowman-- Sorry if you can't handle the truth...
CarGuy1
Reply #10 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:14 PM
I thought at Journeyman level, your submissions are no longer moderated and automatically post.
If this is the case, they should not have been moderated when they were updated.
How can you blame the lower rating on a moderator in this case?
Zoomba
Reply #11 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:16 PM

I actually looked at the ratings record for both items Richard.  Here's what happened:

You have a 5/5 score when you updated.  After you updated, additional ratings were made that weren't 5/5, this lowered the averaged score to 4/5.  This could have happened even if you didn't update as they're user ratings records.  These additional ratings could have come from anyone at any time, updated or not.

The only time moderation provides a rating is the first time a skin is rated.  And that's just because our rating is the first one.  If we give something a 4/5 as the first rating, it's a 4/5 until additional ratings are made and they're re-averaged.

Richard Mohler
Reply #12 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:21 PM
Don't get me wrong they are probably really nice guys but their opinions or critiques about skins are really way off..
ZubaZ
Reply #13 Thursday, May 1, 2008 3:28 PM
I just know..Mods here kind of suck anyway..
Don't get me wrong
Hmmm . . .
Snowman
Reply #14 Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:08 PM

He's a Journeyman. Might be waiting some time. heh

I'm quite aware of that, but your level doesn't cut it when you're updateing. Still goes into modding.

Snowman-- Sorry if you can't handle the truth...

Richard Mohler-- Sorry if you can't handle others opinions - if these doesn't match your opinion.

Leo the Lion
Reply #15 Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:19 PM
Rich........I would think Zoomba's post should be sufficient explanation. I should think all the Mods and others on this site will take exception to your remarks about the Mods. You are one of the most outstanding artists in the customization world and you and your work has a huge following and respect from many of us - please don't spoil it over a minor issue like this. The Mods do a very difficult UNPAID job and spend a lot of their time keeping this place in order and for someone, of your stature, to turn round and tell them that they 'suck' is just not right. There are plenty of 'Yes' men around this site and I am certainly NOT one of them but you need to put this right and apologize.

Maybe you're having a bad day or just got outta bed the wrong side but this is not the Rich we know and love.

  
Richard Mohler
Reply #16 Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:35 PM
See ya...
Richard Mohler
Reply #17 Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:39 PM
Maybe sucks is a bit harsh let's just say thet have really bad taste and leave it at that..
Richard Mohler
Reply #18 Thursday, May 1, 2008 5:39 PM
They not thet..
ALMonty
Reply #19 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:01 PM
I've been here 6yrs and I would guess I've rated maybe 20 skins. The Rating system is a waste of time in my opinion. I think the amount of downloads is more important. I think when you update a skin the downloads and the ratings should be reset because the skin has been changed.


Richard I have a folder with your name on it. Don't get upset over your ratings.
Snowman
Reply #20 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:16 PM

The Rating system is a waste of time in my opinion

I wouldn't say it's 'a waste of time' - if used properly.
Some use the ratings to rate the artist (friend) more than the actual upload.

Some artists are able to make a dump at a piece of paper, scan it and upload - and it would get a 5 star rating.....
(that is not the correct way to use the ratings)

If not used, people nag about it (why haven't anyone rated my upload?!)
If used, people nag about that too (why are my rateing so low?!)

think when you update a skin the downloads and the ratings should be reset

I partly agree. Ratings should/could be reset, not downloads.
Just a personal opinion.

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