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Thursday, May 1, 2008 by Richard Mohler | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

I have two recent things posted and before I updated them they both had 5 stars and when they came back they both had four stars. Why is this?  Is there a penalty for updating things that I don't know about. And before you say anything nobody rated them down they just reappeared with 4 stars..https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=3917&libid=31 & https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=1343&libid=34.. Anybody have any input on why this happened? By the way they,ve both had 5 stars pretty much from the start... All I can think of is one of the mods has a problem with me..
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ALMonty
Reply #21 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:40 PM
if used properly


I agree

If not used, people nag about it (why haven't anyone rated my upload?!)
If used, people nag about that too (why are my rating so low?!)


I have seen a lot of harsh arguments about this subject and because Richard received a 4 instead of a 5 star rating he cleaned out his gallery.

As for the downloads, example: If someone creates a skin and receives 5000 downloads then updates it. The same people deletes the skin and downloads it again that makes 10,000, but the same 5000 people are downloading it.

Leo the Lion
Reply #22 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:41 PM
Maybe sucks is a bit harsh let's just say thet have really bad taste and leave it at that..


'sigh'
Hankers
Reply #23 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:44 PM
Hankers wonders where the karma went 
Leo the Lion
Reply #24 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:48 PM
You're right, ALMonty. Rich has cleaned out his gallery and left. Sad, sad sad day for Wincustomize
Island Dog
Reply #25 Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:49 PM
Shakes head.

The ratings on the skin were very good, I don't understand the fits people have when they drop just a tad, and then remove all their works.  In all my years here I have rarely looked at the ratings on my skins.....because I don't care.  If people like my stuff.....fantastic.  If they don't.....well then.....
2of3
Reply #26 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:22 PM
4 stars? We used to dream of getting 4 stars.....sorry wrong thread
Zoomba
Reply #27 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:23 PM
Richard.  I'm sorry you've decided to pull your skins (and a bit confused).  Please check your email, you have a note from me.
Nimbin
Reply #28 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:28 PM
must say i am very disappointed in richards attitude. all because he lost a star?.
sook!!. he gets ratings that the rest of us can only dream of getting and yet when he loses one star he cracks the shits, pulls his gallery and leaves. pffft. Well forgive me if i have absolutely no sympathy for him. this is the type of thing i would expect from a 10 year old not a senior elder of this community.
Zoomba
Reply #29 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:29 PM
Folks, lets not pile-on Richard over this. 
messiah1
Reply #30 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:42 PM
I thought at Journeyman level, your submissions are no longer moderated and automatically post.
If this is the case, they should not have been moderated when they were updated.
How can you blame the lower rating on a moderator in this case?


Not true. Anything that gets updated, no matter your level, goes into moderation. Happens to me too. Jafo (I think) gave an explanation as to why once...
Nimbin
Reply #31 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:43 PM
Folks, lets not pile-on Richard over this.




Zoomba, i'm not piling on him, just saying what i think has to be said. If everyone got so upset over the star ratings the galleries would be empty. While having more stars is a great boost to the ego the fact of the matter is look at his download count. it's obvious richards work is exceptionally talented and people love it. But it leaves a sour taste when someone reacts so badly to a little yellow star. His work speaks for itself, I just don't get why he would do this.
WOM
Reply #32 Thursday, May 1, 2008 7:51 PM

3 stars is average.  4 stars is above average.  5 stars is perfect.  I haven't seen many walls that I would consider perfect, Bryce included.  But a lot of people carry their own fan base that rates 5 stars on everything so sometimes people expect 5 stars.  Not many walls get 5000 downloads much less 1000.  So one wonders how a wall with, say, 350 downloads should get 5 stars!  Or even 700 downloads.  One would think thats reserved for walls that get 1000's of downloads.  But what do I know, I'am just one of those mods that suck.    Truth is how many different ways can you make a squiggle, swirlie look good even with different colors?  Don't get me wrong, I did like a bunch of your walls and I'am sure I commented on a bunch.  But its your choice to stay or leave but if I uploaded, I'd be happy with all 4 stars.  I don't need to be perfect.

Philly0381
Reply #33 Thursday, May 1, 2008 8:23 PM
Whenever a persons decides that they need to do somehting or take an action in response to a situation, most times the rest of us just can not comprehend what caused said action.

I have used many of Richards skins in customizing my desktop. I will miss him and his talent greatly.

The community we have here is not unlike any other, real or virtual. At some point in time for some it will no longer provide what they need and only a change or move to a new community is the answer.

Good bye Richard.








Jafo
Reply #34 Thursday, May 1, 2008 8:26 PM

Not true. Anything that gets updated, no matter your level, goes into moderation. Happens to me too. Jafo (I think) gave an explanation as to why once...

Yes, that's correct.  The privilege of 'auto-upload' granted to Journeymen and beyond applies to the initial upload.  The fact subsequent 'updates' ALL go through moderation is for a few reasons....one is that their being updated means there may be an issue with them...so the mods get a chance to see if there is - example....someone ups a skin that 'doesn't work' or 'doesn't download'.... we get the opportunity to check it's now fixed...before it goes public.  Another reason is to check there is a reason for the update [with a reset date] and it's not simply someone trying to disadvantage others by reposting to the front page [newest] on every opportunity [it has happened in the past].

As a matter of interest....people such as Frogboy and myself actually do skin....and our updates go through the same moderation process as well....[I'm about to redo one]...

As was/is always the case....if anyone thinks there may be a specific issue with the ratings applied to one of their works.....simply PM me....I can check it is not an error/bug/whatever.

Richard.....since Zoomba has been in touch with you....I'll leave it with him...

Richard Mohler
Reply #35 Thursday, May 1, 2008 9:18 PM
I know, this isn't the first though...
Leo the Lion
Reply #36 Thursday, May 1, 2008 9:39 PM
Rich, Zoo explained the situation and this has nothing to do with moderation. Other users marked your work less than 5 stars after it was updated hence the drop of one star. Who gives a flying fuck about one star - yeah, I guess you do as your talent has always been on a five star level. You're a good person with exceptional artistic talent so please bury that hatchet and come home. I'll cry otherwise   
mrs_starkers
Reply #37 Friday, May 2, 2008 1:28 AM
If people like my stuff.....fantastic. If they don't.....well then.....


I have to agree with you Island Dog on your post #25, it just makes me want to work harder to achieve my goal at making something that people will like, it has taken me ages to even have two of my wallpapers on the main page and at the moment I am a very happy lady.
Richard Mohler
Reply #38 Friday, May 2, 2008 5:12 PM
Harsh things were said and I'm real sorry it will never happen again. From now on I'll just keep things to myself ...Thanks..
zakai1369
Reply #39 Friday, May 2, 2008 6:36 PM
Interesting thread
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #40 Friday, May 2, 2008 7:49 PM
I have nothing to add to this thread apart from the fact most people have no idea how much unwarranted abuse moderators receive.

Most people have better things to do with their lives than be constantly shit on. If you are a moderator you have to develop a thick skin and take it on the chin. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished... 

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