Dedicated Gameing PC--no Windows, mac or linux allowed
How can i make one?
Saturday, November 10, 2007 by sublime187 | Discussion: Personal Computing
I just got back from reading a few forums on a few sites that were dedicated to talking about Performance comparison between the XBOX 360 and the PC.... it woke me up to the shocking reality that i already new but didnt realize it until now!
For the asterisks, read below the list..
--PCs actually can be as powerful as a 360!*
--Consoles are a heck of alot more cheaper than PCs as far as hardware inside.
--PCs have a lot of other features that a console doesnt have (really obvious)
--Xbox 360s have a lot of potential still as software developers are using a new console and are unfamiliar with it, with that said as they gain more experience, they will be coming out with better games::: i still think that no game studio currently has a game that even scratches the maximum capability of the Green and white beast of a box.....
*Giving that a PC with a decent setup and is well mounted, and doesnt have the overhead of a windows filesystem or anything on it, it would be pretty friggin powerful!
The grounds for this post is for me to gain knowledge of how i can find a "dashboard" (in other words, a way i can load and play computer games without having anything installed on my computer except for the games themself, and my hardware drivers.
other grounds for this post are to get people in the WC community to talk about a Dedicated PC that has no operating system but can play games!
if you know of a solution that will help me, please comment below or if you just wanna talk about it thats ok too because... i plan to make a dashbord for my comp if i can find one already made and if my version of a dashboard works i will releas it here on WC exclusively and hopfully have it sponsored by WC or Stardock (of course it will be free untill it gets popular)
For the asterisks, read below the list..
--PCs actually can be as powerful as a 360!*
--Consoles are a heck of alot more cheaper than PCs as far as hardware inside.
--PCs have a lot of other features that a console doesnt have (really obvious)
--Xbox 360s have a lot of potential still as software developers are using a new console and are unfamiliar with it, with that said as they gain more experience, they will be coming out with better games::: i still think that no game studio currently has a game that even scratches the maximum capability of the Green and white beast of a box.....
*Giving that a PC with a decent setup and is well mounted, and doesnt have the overhead of a windows filesystem or anything on it, it would be pretty friggin powerful!
The grounds for this post is for me to gain knowledge of how i can find a "dashboard" (in other words, a way i can load and play computer games without having anything installed on my computer except for the games themself, and my hardware drivers.
other grounds for this post are to get people in the WC community to talk about a Dedicated PC that has no operating system but can play games!
if you know of a solution that will help me, please comment below or if you just wanna talk about it thats ok too because... i plan to make a dashbord for my comp if i can find one already made and if my version of a dashboard works i will releas it here on WC exclusively and hopfully have it sponsored by WC or Stardock (of course it will be free untill it gets popular)
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Gideon MacLeish
Reply #2 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:00 PM
Reply #2 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:00 PM
I know you said no linux, but have you looked into Linux from scratch? You might be able to put together something workable with that!
Good luck!
Good luck!
HG_Eliminator
Reply #3 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:03 PM
Reply #3 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:03 PM
the games are formated to run on the perspective OS and require it to run.. managing drivers and all that 
360 has a specialized type of OS that is minimalistic, it's just the capabilities are limited.
360 has a specialized type of OS that is minimalistic, it's just the capabilities are limited.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #4 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:07 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:07 PM
go here to learn how to strip running services to a minimum, thus allowing the freed resources to be used by your games /programs..http://www.blackviper.com/Articles/OS/OSguides.htm
sublime187
Reply #5 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:43 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:43 PM
ohh i know how to do all of that, i have my computer right now running without explorer as we speak! all i had to do is go to the task manager and and click the process :explorer.exe and click end.....but it still is not what im looking for
thx HG, Gideon,and Zubaz for your help!
i will type it for you to understand hopfully.....as im really bad at explanations
I know it needs a management evironment ( an OS to open stuff within files and executebles) so yeah that linux thing is probably what im looking for but i require a way to boot games without loading the shell in otherwords in the boot sector or startup blackscreen/white chars environment whatever its name is lol, thus it can load the drivers and execute games without actually using the windows and so it wont have anything loaded in either the Ram, GPU,GPU Ram, CPU, processor,cache or the pagefile on a hard drive except for the game and drivers to run the game
also i heard that many forms of linux have compatability issues....
in even simpler terms i would love to find a dashboard that can be used as a standalone OS(like the 360's or original Xbox's )just for games that optimizes hardware to use it to its full potential......one that has the ability to detect graphics cards, ethernet cards and whatever else you may have that is hardware!
This is the forum that got me interested about finding something to do what i said
WWW Link
thx HG, Gideon,and Zubaz for your help!
i will type it for you to understand hopfully.....as im really bad at explanations
I know it needs a management evironment ( an OS to open stuff within files and executebles) so yeah that linux thing is probably what im looking for but i require a way to boot games without loading the shell in otherwords in the boot sector or startup blackscreen/white chars environment whatever its name is lol, thus it can load the drivers and execute games without actually using the windows and so it wont have anything loaded in either the Ram, GPU,GPU Ram, CPU, processor,cache or the pagefile on a hard drive except for the game and drivers to run the game
also i heard that many forms of linux have compatability issues....
in even simpler terms i would love to find a dashboard that can be used as a standalone OS(like the 360's or original Xbox's )just for games that optimizes hardware to use it to its full potential......one that has the ability to detect graphics cards, ethernet cards and whatever else you may have that is hardware!
This is the forum that got me interested about finding something to do what i said
WWW Link
Zoomba
Reply #6 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:50 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:50 PM
As has been said, an OS of some sort is required. Even the XBox 360 has an operating system. It's a slimmed down version of Windows actually.
Without an OS, a computer is a set of components that don't know how to work together.
The OS brokers communication between bits of hardware. It provides a common set of calls programs can make to access the hardware. Games (and pretty much any piece of software you've ever used) are written to specifically take advantage of those common interfaces. They're typically written to take advantage of specific OSes too. This is why you can't put an Xbox game in a PC, or a PC game in a Mac. They're written for one OS.
A game with no underlying OS can not run. There's nothing to even allow the user to interact with the machine in any way.
What you're basically asking is if you can have a car, with all the engine parts, everything sitting there, but nothing connecting them together. Nothing that tells the engine to go when the gas is pressed, or to turn when the wheel is turned. Or even turn on when the key is turned.
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #7 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:13 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:13 PM
I think what you are requesting is an O/S without the GUI...And, as zubaz says, you are asking for a lot.
The Linux from scratch solution would be less than perfect, and as for compatibility issues, well, that comes with the territory. Nothing comes straight off the shelf like what you are seeking. Even if you installed Windows 2000, you would still need to find drivers for your hardware.
Good luck, though. Who knows, maybe you can develop it. Then we'll all be saying we remember when...
The Linux from scratch solution would be less than perfect, and as for compatibility issues, well, that comes with the territory. Nothing comes straight off the shelf like what you are seeking. Even if you installed Windows 2000, you would still need to find drivers for your hardware.
Good luck, though. Who knows, maybe you can develop it. Then we'll all be saying we remember when...
sublime187
Reply #8 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:15 PM
Reply #8 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:15 PM
i understand that but how do these people claim they ran games that boot in the black boot screen/ command prompt thing which also loaded the drivers needed to use the hardware on your computer (i.e. mice keyboards, GPUs and everything else thats not software) outside of these??
another refinement of what im trying to do::::
im looking for a minimal os like the one you said that doesnt load anything into the ram or cpu on both the graphics card cpu or system ram except for the os files that are needed to run the game and the and the game and drivers themselves
if you know of one(slimmed down or similar to the way Xboxes dash works)send me a link to it if possible
--- otherwise if i cant find one ill be making a ten cup pot of coffee at 3 am everymorning have a few ciggarettes ready (for the breaks between coding) and logging on/starting Visuall studio express editiond and java to see what i can make! my friends are diehard gamers like me but are not as knowledgeable about comps as i am so im gonna have to add teaching to my sched too...
another refinement of what im trying to do::::
im looking for a minimal os like the one you said that doesnt load anything into the ram or cpu on both the graphics card cpu or system ram except for the os files that are needed to run the game and the and the game and drivers themselves
if you know of one(slimmed down or similar to the way Xboxes dash works)send me a link to it if possible
--- otherwise if i cant find one ill be making a ten cup pot of coffee at 3 am everymorning have a few ciggarettes ready (for the breaks between coding) and logging on/starting Visuall studio express editiond and java to see what i can make! my friends are diehard gamers like me but are not as knowledgeable about comps as i am so im gonna have to add teaching to my sched too...
sublime187
Reply #9 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:24 PM
hey if you want i will recruit a team on WC for just for developement of a software like the one i describe,and maybe it can be a download here, just a thought tho and maybe if any one of you are interested in helping me to do so, that would be a plus.
Reply #9 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:24 PM
I think what you are requesting is an O/S without the GUI...And, as zubaz says, you are asking for a lot.
The Linux from scratch solution would be less than perfect, and as for compatibility issues, well, that comes with the territory. Nothing comes straight off the shelf like what you are seeking. Even if you installed Windows 2000, you would still need to find drivers for your hardware.
Good luck, though. Who knows, maybe you can develop it. Then we'll all be saying we remember when...
The Linux from scratch solution would be less than perfect, and as for compatibility issues, well, that comes with the territory. Nothing comes straight off the shelf like what you are seeking. Even if you installed Windows 2000, you would still need to find drivers for your hardware.
Good luck, though. Who knows, maybe you can develop it. Then we'll all be saying we remember when...
hey if you want i will recruit a team on WC for just for developement of a software like the one i describe,and maybe it can be a download here, just a thought tho and maybe if any one of you are interested in helping me to do so, that would be a plus.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #10 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:30 PM
Reply #10 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:30 PM
i started a second user on my PC. then stripped it of all running extras services etc. then optimized the Net settings as well as the OS with various tweaking utiliys. then i removed Explorer as the shell and replaced it with Lite step and a theme with only a right click menu..so the useage is specifically small.. added 4 gig of DDR, a 512 meg V card by ATI and Athlon X2 CPU ive yet to have a game drag on it..
when i want to game i log in under that account
when i want to game i log in under that account
sublime187
Reply #11 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:35 PM
Reply #11 Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:35 PM
That sound like a good idea,, were can i find litstep? if not is there a Xbox dashboard similar The original on the box itself?
im shure youve heard of the exact oppsite were someone put linux on a XBOX right? its that type of idea!
im shure youve heard of the exact oppsite were someone put linux on a XBOX right? its that type of idea!
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #12 Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:31 AM
Reply #12 Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:31 AM
HG, thanks for the link above. Because I run virtual machines on my laptop, anything I can do to optimize performance is worth it.
kona0197
Reply #14 Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:11 PM
I don't think so - last time I checked a PC is/can be more powerful than a 360.
Reply #14 Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:11 PM
--PCs actually can be as powerful as a 360!*
I don't think so - last time I checked a PC is/can be more powerful than a 360.
sublime187
Reply #15 Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:20 PM
Reply #15 Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:20 PM
isnt that what i just said in that quote?
....im not trying to get you mad i but i did say CAN didnt i?
the only thing i screwed up on was the "already is" part.
as in that i had not mentioned a few pcs that have equivalent or higher peak perormance....
the whole point tho is to say that even
people with e low end setups like myself can squeeze more performance out of what they have if doing the minimal thing! and who nows if its configured right it might just play games that have ram requirements higher than what you got.........thats the case with me! i play games that require 512 on a nvidia card with 256 that was even before i overclocked it
also with that said i do think (i might be wrong) but i think games require and say they require more ram because of stuff on your computer that drags it down- and because of mass amount of "stuff" they bump the required amount of ram up to compensate for the ram loaded with processes and foot prints
....im not trying to get you mad i but i did say CAN didnt i?
the only thing i screwed up on was the "already is" part.as in that i had not mentioned a few pcs that have equivalent or higher peak perormance....
the whole point tho is to say that even
people with e low end setups like myself can squeeze more performance out of what they have if doing the minimal thing! and who nows if its configured right it might just play games that have ram requirements higher than what you got.........thats the case with me! i play games that require 512 on a nvidia card with 256 that was even before i overclocked it
also with that said i do think (i might be wrong) but i think games require and say they require more ram because of stuff on your computer that drags it down- and because of mass amount of "stuff" they bump the required amount of ram up to compensate for the ram loaded with processes and foot prints
sublime187
Reply #17 Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:15 PM
Reply #17 Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:15 PM
naw dont be, i still need to learn grammar appearently so i am sorry, my family is italian and some of us still have grammar issues in the english language
i dont speak italian but my grammar issue is still an element
i dont speak italian but my grammar issue is still an element
XX
Reply #19 Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM
Reply #19 Monday, November 12, 2007 2:32 PM
Well we used to have something like that. Games used to be the entire OS by itself, and all games for certain computer comes with its own OS. It's impossible nowadays, especially with number of different configurations out there.
Games used to be the entire OS by itself, and all games for certain computer comes with its own OS. It's impossible nowadays, especially with number of different configurations out there.
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #20 Monday, November 12, 2007 2:56 PM
Reply #20 Monday, November 12, 2007 2:56 PM
I'm not 100% sure you can't do most of what you want to do with Windows 2000. It's a pretty lightweight O/S, and many games are compatible. For those that aren't, consider a dual boot.
The upside is you wouldn't have to worry about Linux driver issues.
The upside is you wouldn't have to worry about Linux driver issues.
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Reply #1 Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:00 PM
I don't think what you describe is possible.