Dedicated Gameing PC--no Windows, mac or linux allowed
How can i make one?
Saturday, November 10, 2007 by sublime187 | Discussion: Personal Computing
I just got back from reading a few forums on a few sites that were dedicated to talking about Performance comparison between the XBOX 360 and the PC.... it woke me up to the shocking reality that i already new but didnt realize it until now!
For the asterisks, read below the list..
--PCs actually can be as powerful as a 360!*
--Consoles are a heck of alot more cheaper than PCs as far as hardware inside.
--PCs have a lot of other features that a console doesnt have (really obvious)
--Xbox 360s have a lot of potential still as software developers are using a new console and are unfamiliar with it, with that said as they gain more experience, they will be coming out with better games::: i still think that no game studio currently has a game that even scratches the maximum capability of the Green and white beast of a box.....
*Giving that a PC with a decent setup and is well mounted, and doesnt have the overhead of a windows filesystem or anything on it, it would be pretty friggin powerful!
The grounds for this post is for me to gain knowledge of how i can find a "dashboard" (in other words, a way i can load and play computer games without having anything installed on my computer except for the games themself, and my hardware drivers.
other grounds for this post are to get people in the WC community to talk about a Dedicated PC that has no operating system but can play games!
if you know of a solution that will help me, please comment below or if you just wanna talk about it thats ok too because... i plan to make a dashbord for my comp if i can find one already made and if my version of a dashboard works i will releas it here on WC exclusively and hopfully have it sponsored by WC or Stardock (of course it will be free untill it gets popular)
For the asterisks, read below the list..
--PCs actually can be as powerful as a 360!*
--Consoles are a heck of alot more cheaper than PCs as far as hardware inside.
--PCs have a lot of other features that a console doesnt have (really obvious)
--Xbox 360s have a lot of potential still as software developers are using a new console and are unfamiliar with it, with that said as they gain more experience, they will be coming out with better games::: i still think that no game studio currently has a game that even scratches the maximum capability of the Green and white beast of a box.....
*Giving that a PC with a decent setup and is well mounted, and doesnt have the overhead of a windows filesystem or anything on it, it would be pretty friggin powerful!
The grounds for this post is for me to gain knowledge of how i can find a "dashboard" (in other words, a way i can load and play computer games without having anything installed on my computer except for the games themself, and my hardware drivers.
other grounds for this post are to get people in the WC community to talk about a Dedicated PC that has no operating system but can play games!
if you know of a solution that will help me, please comment below or if you just wanna talk about it thats ok too because... i plan to make a dashbord for my comp if i can find one already made and if my version of a dashboard works i will releas it here on WC exclusively and hopfully have it sponsored by WC or Stardock (of course it will be free untill it gets popular)
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kona0197
Reply #22 Monday, November 12, 2007 4:33 PM
Reply #22 Monday, November 12, 2007 4:33 PM
I just have to ask this: Why all the talk about the Xbox? The Playstation 3 beats it in terms of hardware not to mention the Nintendo Wii is outselling both...
XX
Reply #23 Monday, November 12, 2007 8:24 PM
Reply #23 Monday, November 12, 2007 8:24 PM
Ps3 also beats all in price, and all other consoles beats it in terms of games.
jamespaulp
Reply #24 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:01 PM
Well said. My PS3 sits there to be played. But I haven't found a good game so far. I use it for watching blu-ray movies...
As for the quality of audio and video, I found PS3 to be better than xbox 360. Today my xbox 360 went back for second round of repair since the launch.
On PS3, you can install most Linux distros. I haven't done that.
Reply #24 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:01 PM
Ps3 also beats all in price, and all other consoles beats it in terms of games.
Well said. My PS3 sits there to be played. But I haven't found a good game so far. I use it for watching blu-ray movies...
As for the quality of audio and video, I found PS3 to be better than xbox 360. Today my xbox 360 went back for second round of repair since the launch.
On PS3, you can install most Linux distros. I haven't done that.
Chris TH
Reply #25 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:23 PM
I think most people understand what you are trying to do, and my gut feeling is it should be possible to do it by cutting Windows right back. AFAIK it's not necessary for Windows to boot into the GUI (i.e it can boot to a commandline), however you still need some underlying OS layer so that the games can talk to the hardware (this is already explained above).
It's a matter for you to do some further research as to what drivers, utilities etc do *not* need to be loaded for jsut the games to work.
For example, if I guess right many Windows-based games require DirectX to be loaded so this would be a must-have, if you want on-line gaming you need network drivers & TCP/IP stack etc. No (modern) games will have all this built-in. 32 Bit DOS externders don't have DirectX or TCPIP either, however it *was* common to use these in the days of the DOS graphic games.
Sounds like you're better off hanging around in the specialised forums you mentioned & learning from those guys who have done it already.
Reply #25 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:23 PM
im trying to make or find a dashboard os exactly like the XboX's but is meant for pc
so it wont have windows but it will be an OS with everything needed to press your hardware and games to the maximal level (just like the 360 or the original
im shure the XBOX dashboard has nothing except the needed processes to run games or rn them online also....
so it wont have windows but it will be an OS with everything needed to press your hardware and games to the maximal level (just like the 360 or the original
im shure the XBOX dashboard has nothing except the needed processes to run games or rn them online also....
I think most people understand what you are trying to do, and my gut feeling is it should be possible to do it by cutting Windows right back. AFAIK it's not necessary for Windows to boot into the GUI (i.e it can boot to a commandline), however you still need some underlying OS layer so that the games can talk to the hardware (this is already explained above).
It's a matter for you to do some further research as to what drivers, utilities etc do *not* need to be loaded for jsut the games to work.
For example, if I guess right many Windows-based games require DirectX to be loaded so this would be a must-have, if you want on-line gaming you need network drivers & TCP/IP stack etc. No (modern) games will have all this built-in. 32 Bit DOS externders don't have DirectX or TCPIP either, however it *was* common to use these in the days of the DOS graphic games.
Sounds like you're better off hanging around in the specialised forums you mentioned & learning from those guys who have done it already.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #26 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:43 PM
Reply #26 Monday, November 12, 2007 9:43 PM
sounds like you want an xbox that plays PC games. 
kona0197
Reply #27 Monday, November 12, 2007 11:35 PM
No it doesn't. It's the most expensive of the three. $399 for PS3, $349 for the 360 and $250 for the Wii...
Reply #27 Monday, November 12, 2007 11:35 PM
Ps3 also beats all in price, and all other consoles beats it in terms of games.
No it doesn't. It's the most expensive of the three. $399 for PS3, $349 for the 360 and $250 for the Wii...
XX
Reply #28 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:42 AM
Exactly what I meant. It IS the HIGHEST price of all.
Reply #28 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:42 AM
Exactly what I meant. It IS the HIGHEST price of all.
jamespaulp
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:59 AM
$399 xbox 360 does not include a high deifinition drive. That costs an extra $170. You can argue about the utility of the drive though. PS3 games can be as big as 25 GB because they are written on a blu-ray disk. It allows for full 1080p rendering and uncompressed 8 channel audio. Xbox 360 cannot.
If someone says they do not need high definition games, Wii is the winner.
With 20GB hard drive on Xbox 360, I have to keep deleting stuff that I download. On the 60GB PS3, I don't need to. Then again, there isn't much to download on PS3
Reply #29 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:59 AM
No it doesn't. It's the most expensive of the three. $399 for PS3, $349 for the 360 and $250 for the Wii...
$399 xbox 360 does not include a high deifinition drive. That costs an extra $170. You can argue about the utility of the drive though. PS3 games can be as big as 25 GB because they are written on a blu-ray disk. It allows for full 1080p rendering and uncompressed 8 channel audio. Xbox 360 cannot.
If someone says they do not need high definition games, Wii is the winner.
With 20GB hard drive on Xbox 360, I have to keep deleting stuff that I download. On the 60GB PS3, I don't need to. Then again, there isn't much to download on PS3
kona0197
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:32 AM
Reply #30 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:32 AM
Sorry XX I misunderstood.
$399 Xbox? Where? I see them priced at $349 everywhere I go. And your right Wii is the answer as they are outselling Sony and Microsoft.
$399 Xbox? Where? I see them priced at $349 everywhere I go. And your right Wii is the answer as they are outselling Sony and Microsoft.
sublime187
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:25 AM
im just using the 360 as a point of referance because its the only one of the next gen consoles i actually own and know about
im not saying the PS3 is bad in fact i like what playstation has to offer....i like square enix's Star Ocean and many other ps games you saw on the first ps.... besides, the ugly gray contraption of a ps1 was my first console!
@ Chris,, you know i think im gonna do what you said about the other forums but gonna see if someone here, has a program already like the one i need....maybe that they cooked up on a rainy day??
@ Night Train, thats what it would be like!
Reply #31 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:25 AM
I just have to ask this: Why all the talk about the Xbox? The Playstation 3 beats it in terms of hardware not to mention the Nintendo Wii is outselling both...
im just using the 360 as a point of referance because its the only one of the next gen consoles i actually own and know about
im not saying the PS3 is bad in fact i like what playstation has to offer....i like square enix's Star Ocean and many other ps games you saw on the first ps.... besides, the ugly gray contraption of a ps1 was my first console!
@ Chris,, you know i think im gonna do what you said about the other forums but gonna see if someone here, has a program already like the one i need....maybe that they cooked up on a rainy day??
@ Night Train, thats what it would be like!
XX
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:05 AM
Reply #32 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:05 AM
Yeah? Pong console was first for me.
Anyway Wii definitely is way to go, it has low price and good games.
Anyway Wii definitely is way to go, it has low price and good games.
jamespaulp
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:39 PM
My bad, I completely forgot about the recent price cuts. The core system is just $279 which is very close to the Wii price. At that price point, it is a very good bargain.
Reply #33 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:39 PM
I see them priced at $349 everywhere I go.
My bad, I completely forgot about the recent price cuts. The core system is just $279 which is very close to the Wii price. At that price point, it is a very good bargain.
just john
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:33 PM
You do realize that when you end that process and your screen flashes a couple of times, all your icons disappear along with your taskbar and then it all comes back that eplorer.exe has just restarted.
Reply #34 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:33 PM
ohh i know how to do all of that, i have my computer right now running without explorer as we speak! all i had to do is go to the task manager and and click the process :explorer.exe and click end.....
You do realize that when you end that process and your screen flashes a couple of times, all your icons disappear along with your taskbar and then it all comes back that eplorer.exe has just restarted.
sublime187
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:34 PM
Reply #35 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:34 PM
yeah but my explorer didnt come back
..if you end it intentionally it stays ended unless i hit a glitch..... but it stays ended when end the explorer.exe as in nothing comes back to the screen
..if you end it intentionally it stays ended unless i hit a glitch..... but it stays ended when end the explorer.exe as in nothing comes back to the screen
sublime187
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:11 PM
Reply #37 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:11 PM
its not like i cant get it back cus then, from the task manager all i have to do is click file>new task> and then type the same thing i cancelled out back into the box(explorer.exe) and everything shows back on the screen
sublime187
Reply #38 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:15 PM
Reply #38 Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:15 PM
when you kill this process, i found also that it doesnt kill the others with it so even though it does help it still isnt enough.....
anyways thx to everyone, as i will be gone for a while due to an unexpected event that has taken place in my life! so just keep posting if you want! and thanks again!
anyways thx to everyone, as i will be gone for a while due to an unexpected event that has taken place in my life! so just keep posting if you want! and thanks again!
xaira pegusus
Reply #39 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:08 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:08 AM
if you want to get the best possible performance out of a pc, then install xp x64 disable
all programs that start with windows close explorer and open the game with taskmanager this is as close to no os as you can possibly get.
all programs that start with windows close explorer and open the game with taskmanager this is as close to no os as you can possibly get.
just john
Reply #40 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:43 AM
Wrong. Unless you have made some modification to the OS or your OS is not functioning properly, explorer.exe will restart upon intentional shutdown.
I really don't know why I am wasting my time. It's not like you are really going to get far. You want to design an OS and make a sole gaming PC but you don't take the time to proof read a simple 10 line blog. Check you title. It gaming not gameing.
Sorry, but being anal is a sign of a good programmer. When you are dealing with hundreds of thousands or even millions of lines of code, there is no room for mistakes.
You have a long way to go and a lot to learn before you follow your pipe dream of developing a gaming OS.
Reply #40 Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:43 AM
yeah but my explorer didnt come back
..if you end it intentionally it stays ended unless i hit a glitch..... but it stays ended when end the explorer.exe as in nothing comes back to the screen
..if you end it intentionally it stays ended unless i hit a glitch..... but it stays ended when end the explorer.exe as in nothing comes back to the screen
Wrong. Unless you have made some modification to the OS or your OS is not functioning properly, explorer.exe will restart upon intentional shutdown.
I really don't know why I am wasting my time. It's not like you are really going to get far. You want to design an OS and make a sole gaming PC but you don't take the time to proof read a simple 10 line blog. Check you title. It gaming not gameing.
Sorry, but being anal is a sign of a good programmer. When you are dealing with hundreds of thousands or even millions of lines of code, there is no room for mistakes.
You have a long way to go and a lot to learn before you follow your pipe dream of developing a gaming OS.
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Reply #21 Monday, November 12, 2007 4:06 PM
i dont know if im explaining what i wish to accomplish right OR......
i guess i will try to rewrite what i said abut the XBOX dashboard::
this is a alternat way :::
im trying to make or find a dashboard os exactly like the XboX's but is meant for pc
so it wont have windows but it will be an OS with everything needed to press your hardware and games to the maximal level (just like the 360 or the original
im shure the XBOX dashboard has nothing except the needed processes to run games or rn them online also....
it probably has a way to get the most out of hardware sets insied the case and thats what im trying to do because i will tell you i think the stuff inside a computer can do just as good or even better than what the xbox can do and i know current hardware can do this as we speak but wouldnt it be nice if you dont throw away your old pc with that geforce 4 mx 420? or a similar card of that age? that geforce4 mx 420 apearently is similar already to the GPU in the orininal XBOX but if you compare a pc with that card and its a good balance with ram and processing speed it still skips (lags) alittle not only that but that proves that even a version of windows windows 98 to 2000 still tax system resources to a point.
i havent seen so on the xbox or 360 xbox so far and thats why i have a splinter in my thoughts right now about this!
im shure software on the xbox could unlock more power even out of OLD ati rage 32 megabyte video cards..... thats basically my theory and what i plan to put to the test and thats the whole point im trying to get at.
i guess i should just quit while im ahead lol