Text background...perpixel frames.

why is it cutting out the titlebar?

Wednesday, September 12, 2007 by I.R. Brainiac | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

the edges are cutting a chunk out of my titlebar.AND,the left and right content margins dont work for the perpixel titlebar...they are using the damn settings from the regular frames.    

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Vampothika
Reply #1 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:16 AM
take out any extra png space around it.....i got a feeling that will help. as for content margins....you will have to play with them until they work... (had the same problem with annihilator)

vStyler
Reply #2 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:26 AM
the damn settings


Hmm.. must have missed those settings

NightTrainthedark
Reply #3 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:29 AM
Stop wasting your time I.R. It simply does not work with transparent frames. Myself and other skinners have tried without any success. I once got it to work with some experimental coding but other problems aroused. I stupidly spent about 4 hours the other day revisiting the issue cause I thought WB 6 might cooperate better, and you know what I found out? Nothing.... again.   

I.R. Brainiac
Reply #4 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:20 PM
take out any extra png space around it.....


as in a perfect rectangle?...that would defeat the purpose of doing this.  

So Craig,what your saying is this is yet another example of a Windowblinds half-assed implementation of a great feature.(per pixel frames have been around quite a while now and there are still bugs in its use?Big suprise huh?)  

Is WB doomed to be in perpetual beta forever?I'm getting super sick of fighting with quirks and bugs in stuff that should just work.(this is just one more example,I got a long list of stuff Stardock has ignored for years...screw the skinner,get that next user.)  

I.R. Brainiac
Reply #5 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:24 PM
AND,the left and right content margins dont work for the perpixel titlebar...they are using the damn settings from the regular frames.


This is a stupid thing...per pix frames are not even cut the same,and,they are different sizes.Settings from one section shouldnt be affecting another.  


I.R. Brainiac
Reply #6 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:28 PM
This is one of those skins that if this method cant work...it ruins the look.

I might as well just quit now.It makes no sense...it works fine on the taskbar.  

vStyler
Reply #7 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:57 PM
  

NightTrainthedark
Reply #8 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:12 PM
I.R. Because of the way you designed the skin. I think it can work. Email me the skin please.

P.S. -Going back and forth from SKS 6 and SKS 5 = no no. Bad crashy crashy.

ZubaZ
Reply #9 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:16 PM
IRB, no one is forcing you to skin . . . or use per-pixel.  
Zubaz turns up the sarcasm    

I.R. Brainiac
Reply #10 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:14 PM
P.S. -Going back and forth from SKS 6 and SKS 5 = no no. Bad crashy crashy.


Thanks for the warning Craig...I dont use that tardware beta SKS6 anyway.  


IRB, no one is forcing you to skin . . . or use per-pixel.


Thats true...between Vista sucking all the fun out of skinning and fighting with all the bugs and quirks of WB,'I' have to force myself to skin.  

Shouldnt be too much to expect a feature or setting to actually work.I've been waiting for WB to finally mature into something that could do more than a few gradients and rectangles...but with developement focusing on Vista,WB will never be 100% on XP.
Last I checked...dialog backgrounds were still broke...how long ago was that?I forget.  


I.R. Brainiac
Reply #11 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:19 PM
Craig let me try something tonight,then I'll send her to ya...I'll jump thru a few more hoops and workarounds and eventually settle for something inferior to what I was trying to do.  

vStyler
Reply #12 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:22 PM
I'll jump thru a few more hoops


Pics plz   

danioc
Reply #13 Wednesday, September 12, 2007 10:06 PM
Don't get mad IR WB6 is in beta yet, so you may find problems.
Please zip and e-mail me the skin so I can take a look if you want.

Neil Banfield
Reply #14 Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:11 AM

I think the problem is a misunderstanding about how that feature works in WB.

The background image replaces the titlebar area.  It does not blend against it. 

So in this skin you would want to make the bottom part of your image the same as the titlebar.

Titlebar text for per pixel frames is shifted using the content margins of the top per pixel frame.  The per pixel background is positioned using its own content margins.

I am not aware of the UIS2 content margins having any impact on the per pixel frames.

If you want a mode where it blends against it then please let us know.


NightTrainthedark
Reply #15 Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:20 PM
I don't know whether to buy you a drink or strangle you Neil.   

I think I got it working I.R. thanks to Neil. See below for the settings. It took me awhile so maybe this will save you some time. I'm not sure exactly how you wanted it but it's looking pretty good. If you want the file, come and get it.


I.R. Brainiac
Reply #16 Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:08 PM
Don't get mad IR WB6 is in beta yet,


Thanks Dani for looking at it...I'm not using any of the beta software yet.  Mad?mad you say?I guess I was...very.Struggling with the many quirks over the years and an angry toothache plus one more design ruining bug was too much.  


The background image replaces the titlebar area. It does not blend against it.
So in this skin you would want to make the bottom part of your image the same as the titlebar.


In the past Neil that is exactly what I would do...cut the element whole out of the background and blend it into the titlebar.I couldnt do that this time because the

titlebar isnt identical from one end to the other.So yes,it needs to blend(as would just about any graphic in a skin...taskbar buttons do it.

Turns out I was wrong about the left and right content margins...they were not coming from the regular frames...it only appeared that way because they were about 20 freakin pixels off...so a bit of hoop jumping and they did work.  

Text and backing alignment was way crazy too...had to use the vertical content margins for the titlebar for the text first(as usual),then use negative top content margins to move the backing DOWN?!  

I tried a graphic that was the same size as the titlebar but it wouldnt align properly(and cut out a larger chunk)  

So yeah,I was angry...2 days so far on a single skin element...should have been 20 minutes.  

My tooth isnt hurting so much right now so I'm going to say thanks for the help before I go off again.  

I.R. Brainiac
Reply #17 Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:10 PM
My man Craig!That is it!...waddya do different mister?Lemme sign on msn and hunt you down.  

I.R. Brainiac
Reply #18 Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:32 PM
Ok,yep background replacement...well Craig it may be the only way...right side will be the problem side(unless I lose the shadow...grrrrrrr)    

NightTrainthedark
Reply #19 Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:33 PM
If you want a mode where it blends against it then please let us know.


Yes. I can't get it to work on the skin I am making. It has a gradiant that has to blend to look good. Please please please make it blend.

vStyler
Reply #20 Friday, September 14, 2007 12:18 AM
Please please please make it blend.


Stands to reason that it should.

    

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