Text background...perpixel frames.
why is it cutting out the titlebar?
Wednesday, September 12, 2007 by I.R. Brainiac | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
the edges are cutting a chunk out of my titlebar.AND,the left and right content margins dont work for the perpixel titlebar...they are using the damn settings from the regular frames. 
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NightTrainthedark
Reply #23 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:11 AM
Reply #23 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:11 AM
Here is an example of where blending would be really helpful. 
Neil Banfield
Reply #24 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:37 AM
Reply #24 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:37 AM
didna wanna but I cut the shadow off of it and thought it looked ok...til I opened some non explorer windows and a maxxed window...you can see how far off the content margins are...text is shifting over in some windows.
It is best to ignore the previews in SKS5.
What they are not showing is a built in offset for the system icon. I believe there is also a bug in WB relating to large left margins resulting in larger than expected right margins being needed. Due to the need to maintain backwards compatibility, this cannot be changed.
I will look into why you seem to have a different shift in some windows. I would guess it is linked to if the window has an icon or not.
Neil Banfield
Reply #25 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:40 AM
Reply #25 Friday, September 14, 2007 7:40 AM
Please please please make it blend.
Stands to reason that it should.
Blend is not capable of some of the effects that replace can do (such as making parts more transparent, or changing the colour of a transparent area while keeping the same level of transparency). Of course blend can do things that replace cannot do too.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #26 Friday, September 14, 2007 10:08 AM
I always do.
(I mainly use the preview for navigation) 
Sounds like the built in offset for the icon is screwing things up then.Whats wrong with just having the text start and stop where I tell it to?
I tried centering it,which helps on display properties windows...but popup dialogs are still buggered and they are all still different from explorer.
Reply #26 Friday, September 14, 2007 10:08 AM
It is best to ignore the previews in SKS5.
I always do.
(I mainly use the preview for navigation) 
Sounds like the built in offset for the icon is screwing things up then.Whats wrong with just having the text start and stop where I tell it to?
I tried centering it,which helps on display properties windows...but popup dialogs are still buggered and they are all still different from explorer.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #27 Friday, September 14, 2007 10:11 AM
Not real sure how useful any of that is,or what it even means...we just want it to behave like 90% of the rest of the images in WB...like the taskbar buttons...they just sit on top.
Reply #27 Friday, September 14, 2007 10:11 AM
Blend is not capable of some of the effects that replace can do (such as making parts more transparent, or changing the colour of a transparent area while keeping the same level of transparency). Of course blend can do things that replace cannot do too.
Not real sure how useful any of that is,or what it even means...we just want it to behave like 90% of the rest of the images in WB...like the taskbar buttons...they just sit on top.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #28 Friday, September 14, 2007 3:20 PM
In past skins where I removed the icon from the skin alltogether, the content margins remained consistant..if that helps.
Reply #28 Friday, September 14, 2007 3:20 PM
I would guess it is linked to if the window has an icon or not.
In past skins where I removed the icon from the skin alltogether, the content margins remained consistant..if that helps.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #29 Friday, September 14, 2007 6:30 PM
Reply #29 Friday, September 14, 2007 6:30 PM
Yeah,you can turn the system icon off for regular frames but I wasnt sure how safe it was to delete that one in a per pixel skin.
I'll have to test it using another skin.Its that 'builtin offset'that has me worried.
ISnt that why regular frames have two different content margin settings?
Maybe there is way to add that line of code...in the codeview that SKS6 dosnt have.
I'll have to test it using another skin.Its that 'builtin offset'that has me worried.
ISnt that why regular frames have two different content margin settings?
Maybe there is way to add that line of code...in the codeview that SKS6 dosnt have.
vStyler
Reply #30 Friday, September 14, 2007 6:49 PM
2 pt deduction - low blow
Reply #30 Friday, September 14, 2007 6:49 PM
...in the codeview that SKS6 dosnt have.
2 pt deduction - low blow
Neil Banfield
Reply #31 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:15 PM
Reply #31 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:15 PM
Per pixel frames automatically handle the no icon / icon case by shifting the text as we found this was something that was a problem in non per pixel skins. Few people used the no icon settings.
If you want to edit the UIS directly then you can always use notepad.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #32 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:30 PM
Reply #32 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:30 PM
Editing in Notepad is no big deal. Skinstudio going directly to the right location in the code for you is/was a nice feature. It's one of the reasons I still prefer SKS 5.
vStyler
Reply #33 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:56 PM
Ditto
Reply #33 Friday, September 14, 2007 8:56 PM
It's one of the reasons I still prefer SKS 5.
Ditto
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #34 Friday, September 14, 2007 9:43 PM
Its not working right then...and I always set both on regular frames.Dumbing it down dosnt help,only takes away a choice.If the skinner cant be bothered to set it,thats his problem.
Consistant behavior from any setting is something we really need...I beg and plead and curse til I'm nuts...then settle for 'hope this isnt too messed up on too many pc's.Stuff like this gets blamed on the skinner...makes us look like we dont know what we are doing.Truth is some of us push the softwares capabilities so hard we expose inconsistancies and bugs in the prog.
We dont mean too...I just get crabby when I run into things like this and have to workaround it...then remember all this stuff the next time.My brain is like Kelly Bundys...put too much in and somethings gotta go.
Reply #34 Friday, September 14, 2007 9:43 PM
Per pixel frames automatically handle the no icon / icon case by shifting the text as we found this was something that was a problem in non per pixel skins. Few people used the no icon settings.
Its not working right then...and I always set both on regular frames.Dumbing it down dosnt help,only takes away a choice.If the skinner cant be bothered to set it,thats his problem.
Consistant behavior from any setting is something we really need...I beg and plead and curse til I'm nuts...then settle for 'hope this isnt too messed up on too many pc's.Stuff like this gets blamed on the skinner...makes us look like we dont know what we are doing.Truth is some of us push the softwares capabilities so hard we expose inconsistancies and bugs in the prog.
We dont mean too...I just get crabby when I run into things like this and have to workaround it...then remember all this stuff the next time.My brain is like Kelly Bundys...put too much in and somethings gotta go.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #35 Friday, September 14, 2007 9:55 PM
Reply #35 Friday, September 14, 2007 9:55 PM
So I guess that means sorry Neil if I gripe at you too much...I can only imagine the difficulties in coding something like WB.Gimme a sharp tool and I'll make sharp blinds.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #36 Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:43 AM
Reply #36 Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:43 AM
Tried manually adding the code for text shift no icon but wb aint biting on that one.
In theory you should be able to shift the icon over by the builtin offset amount and get the text to line up in the same spot but no luck.
In theory you should be able to shift the icon over by the builtin offset amount and get the text to line up in the same spot but no luck.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #37 Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:00 AM
Reply #37 Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:00 AM
Horizontal alignment(left,center,right)reacts differently to any content setting.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #39 Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:45 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:45 AM
I'm using centered for active and left align for inactive(the skin IS called slider )
Problem is both use the same content settings and react differently to them.So now you have to bring the margins in even further.
Its should be simple ..set the margin and Text just DOES NOT go past that point...ever.
)Problem is both use the same content settings and react differently to them.So now you have to bring the margins in even further.
Its should be simple ..set the margin and Text just DOES NOT go past that point...ever.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #40 Monday, December 17, 2007 8:31 PM
Reply #40 Monday, December 17, 2007 8:31 PM
Something that would have at least helped with Slider...being able to turn off the text background for maximised windows...maybe possibly?
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Reply #21 Friday, September 14, 2007 6:39 AM
Plus the font is exactly the same as the taskbar...and it looks bad.(looks fine on the taskbar)