Trolls Commenting on Skins
Saturday, July 21, 2007 by SKoriginals | Discussion: Community
Hi all, I guess this is mostly for the admins here at WC....
Over the years there has been discussion on how to handle skin comments (i.e. the unproductive ones). Some of the suggestions have been to give the uploader the option to allow comments or not (via a check box or the like) and another has been a 'report' button to have the violating comment reviewed by an admin. I'm just curious as to if this discussion is still being mulled over or if it has been placed to the wayside.
The reason for this is I have noticed some 'trolls' hounding particular skinners making comments on many of the skinners downloads; even master skinners have had this happen. I won't mention names or any skins themselves but it has happened recently on a 'master' skin. The comments barely even touched base on the skin itself even... it was pure nonsense and started a rant for no true reason.
Personally I see this as very counter productive for all. I can understand meaningless rants in the forums more so then on skin comments.
Anyhow, I was just wondering if anything was still being thought out for this sort of thing or forgotten about.
Over the years there has been discussion on how to handle skin comments (i.e. the unproductive ones). Some of the suggestions have been to give the uploader the option to allow comments or not (via a check box or the like) and another has been a 'report' button to have the violating comment reviewed by an admin. I'm just curious as to if this discussion is still being mulled over or if it has been placed to the wayside.
The reason for this is I have noticed some 'trolls' hounding particular skinners making comments on many of the skinners downloads; even master skinners have had this happen. I won't mention names or any skins themselves but it has happened recently on a 'master' skin. The comments barely even touched base on the skin itself even... it was pure nonsense and started a rant for no true reason.
Personally I see this as very counter productive for all. I can understand meaningless rants in the forums more so then on skin comments.
Anyhow, I was just wondering if anything was still being thought out for this sort of thing or forgotten about.
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ArileenDesign
Reply #2 Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:29 PM
Reply #2 Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:29 PM
I agree in both way with that i read those comments especially two people
i guess have the ability to hide those comments will be good
i guess have the ability to hide those comments will be good
PoSmedley
Reply #3 Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:03 PM
Reply #3 Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:03 PM
Did somebody say Troll?
Is it Troll Thumping day already? Did anyone bring the beer?
Is it Troll Thumping day already? Did anyone bring the beer?
starkers
Reply #4 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:18 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:18 PM
I too believe Skinners should have the ability to hide unpleasant/nasty comments...they are negative and profit no-one.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #5 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:30 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:30 PM
Opinions are like ********** everybody has one, and they all stink. 
BUT
Abusive comments or Stalking/harassing a skinner and down rating/bad comments, should result with those priveleges being revoked...
Commenting and Rating is a privelege, not a Right, abuse it and you will loose it...
BUT
Abusive comments or Stalking/harassing a skinner and down rating/bad comments, should result with those priveleges being revoked...
Commenting and Rating is a privelege, not a Right, abuse it and you will loose it...
boss0190
Reply #6 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:33 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:33 PM
I don't think anybody should be able to hide anything. Idiots are out there..if they have the ability to comment that's fine. Censoring them won't do anything....if your work is good, people will ignore them and make their own comments about how stupid they are.
If they don't....who cares??
We upload what we are happy with. Some like it, some don't. It's all part of what we do...
If they don't....who cares??
We upload what we are happy with. Some like it, some don't. It's all part of what we do...
Philly0381
Reply #7 Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:18 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:18 PM
Very well stated boss0190. Here's an important point, if the Idiots are here that means a lot of villages areound the world are missing theirs. Think about it. 
vStyler
Reply #8 Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:22 AM
Hasn't thus far... that aside.. harassing someone in the forums is one thing, purposely trying to make them look bad \ ruin their reputation \ affect sales in a pay theme thread is another. If its me moderating it.. their gone. WC is rather tolerant when it comes to this.. is that a good thing? I think not. It is however at their discretion. If it is up to me..their gone. Wouldn't think twice.
Thx Shawn.. didn't expect this post.
Reply #8 Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:22 AM
Abusive comments or Stalking/harassing a skinner and down rating/bad comments, should result with those priveleges being revoked...
Hasn't thus far... that aside.. harassing someone in the forums is one thing, purposely trying to make them look bad \ ruin their reputation \ affect sales in a pay theme thread is another. If its me moderating it.. their gone. WC is rather tolerant when it comes to this.. is that a good thing? I think not. It is however at their discretion. If it is up to me..their gone. Wouldn't think twice.
Thx Shawn.. didn't expect this post.
Bebi Bulma
Reply #9 Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:06 AM
Hasn't thus far... that aside.. harassing someone in the forums is one thing, purposely trying to make them look bad \ ruin their reputation \ affect sales in a pay theme thread is another. If its me moderating it.. their gone. WC is rather tolerant when it comes to this.. is that a good thing? I think not. It is however at their discretion. If it is up to me..their gone. Wouldn't think twice.
Thx Shawn.. didn't expect this post.
I completely agree. Trolls are trolls...the tools are there to deal with them, enough of the pacifying and babysitting.
Reply #9 Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:06 AM
Abusive comments or Stalking/harassing a skinner and down rating/bad comments, should result with those priveleges being revoked...
Hasn't thus far... that aside.. harassing someone in the forums is one thing, purposely trying to make them look bad \ ruin their reputation \ affect sales in a pay theme thread is another. If its me moderating it.. their gone. WC is rather tolerant when it comes to this.. is that a good thing? I think not. It is however at their discretion. If it is up to me..their gone. Wouldn't think twice.
Thx Shawn.. didn't expect this post.
I completely agree. Trolls are trolls...the tools are there to deal with them, enough of the pacifying and babysitting.
SKoriginals
Reply #10 Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58 AM
Reply #10 Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:58 AM
The point is not 'bad' comments towards the skins; those are fine and should be tolerated by anyone who uploads. People do have opinions and are entitled to them.
Rather what I'm mostly speaking on (and was discussed in the past) is more along the lines of unproductive comments that berate the skinner or hardly, if at all, deal with the skin itself. These types of comments should have no place and a skinner should not have to deal with this type of thing.
Rather what I'm mostly speaking on (and was discussed in the past) is more along the lines of unproductive comments that berate the skinner or hardly, if at all, deal with the skin itself. These types of comments should have no place and a skinner should not have to deal with this type of thing.
GustheGuideDog
Reply #11 Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:34 AM
Reply #11 Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:34 AM
Hi Guys, as most of you know I am Blind and run a club here in the UK for disabled computer users. These trolls that I keep hearing about are faceless cowards really, anyone can hide anonymously behind a computer screen and say derogatory things about someone elses works. I personally feel that these people are jealous of the achievement of others and so therefore be treat with the contempt they deserve! When a dog is being trained to help blind people we are told that they cannot differentiate (probably mispelt that sorry) between good attention and bad attention therefore when they are good reward them, when they are bad ignore them so we should be doing the same with the pathetic maggots and THEIR comments.
Once again thank you to all my friends out there in Wincustomise land in particular SKOriginals for all of his help
Once again thank you to all my friends out there in Wincustomise land in particular SKOriginals for all of his help
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #12 Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:12 AM
Reply #12 Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:12 AM
Unless the comments break site rules, that is personal attack/vilification/racism etc etc, they will have to stay. Once you get into a cycle of removing less than pleasant comments you begin to be accused of elitism/censorship/heavy-handedness.
If you are going to show a public face on the internet then you need to develop a thick skin and treat such comments with the (zero) attention they deserve.
If anyone has concerns about a particular comment they should contact a moderator privately
NightTrainthedark
Reply #13 Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:03 AM
Reply #13 Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:03 AM
I agree with Boss.
No matter how harsh laws get, there will still be those that were home schooled. Problem is they were alone at school.
There are people on teh interwebs that have a goal to be the most famous asshole on the net. Thousands of them.
No matter how harsh laws get, there will still be those that were home schooled. Problem is they were alone at school.
There are people on teh interwebs that have a goal to be the most famous asshole on the net. Thousands of them.
ArileenDesign
Reply #14 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:02 AM
well and that's run had got the problems once or twice and loved that way
Reply #14 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:02 AM
If anyone has concerns about a particular comment they should contact a moderator privately
well and that's run had got the problems once or twice and loved that way
Bebi Bulma
Reply #15 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:10 AM
Reply #15 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:10 AM
All the more reason why the Report link needs to be added to skin comments as well (along with the report link for the actual skins themselves). 
alongview
Reply #16 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:47 AM
This the wisest judgment I know of. I think Stardock been taken their job very well. Honestly speaking, some skinners' cocky attitudes have stagnated their own skill and selling record, but they always blame on those "trolls" whom made a "negative" comments on his works. What the incorrigible !!
But,we got to admit some skinners who sitting in front of monitor all day long would like the ingratiation more;such as the cheerleader. 
Reply #16 Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:47 AM
If you are going to show a public face on the internet then you need to develop a thick skin and treat such comments with the (zero) attention they deserve. If anyone has concerns about a particular comment they should contact a moderator privately.
This the wisest judgment I know of. I think Stardock been taken their job very well. Honestly speaking, some skinners' cocky attitudes have stagnated their own skill and selling record, but they always blame on those "trolls" whom made a "negative" comments on his works. What the incorrigible !!
But,we got to admit some skinners who sitting in front of monitor all day long would like the ingratiation more;such as the cheerleader. 
ArileenDesign
Reply #17 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:11 AM
This the wisest judgment I know of. I think Stardock been taken their job very well. Honestly speaking, some skinners' cocky attitudes have stagnated their own skill and selling record, but they blame on "trolls" whom made a "negative" comments on his works. What the incorrigible !! But,we got to admit some skinners who sitting in front of monitor all day long would like the ingratiation more.
about "negative" we talk about no sens comments, harassing comments with question non regarding the skins but the skinners, insulting comments ....
like:
about my first boot:
about a Master Skin:
"Why you double all of image files on Mainstyle for Substyle?? It didn't have to this way. You would abstemiously have another .xpstuff for Substyle and add those two lines on it which differ with Mainstyle.-"more program buttons" images. Since,both styles are implementing the same images, the only different were those 2 “more program buttons” images, and it didn’t need to copy all of images just for Substyle. Same is for .ToolBarIcons,Anomations and ShellStyle.xps.
Moreover,what happen to .animations? Files only need 7 .avi ,and no line for“ChangeAttributes”.avi?? No "search”shellstyle folder background?? And, those .png image files were residues while you making.
With all of above curtailment, the Odyssey Windowblinds skin was dropped from 2MB to less than 1MB and works fine. I think I have been keep reminding you on this issue, yet you obstinately continuing choose to ignore and to go your own gait... All of Windowblinds skins you made (of which has .substyles) has same kind of aesthetic issues, by doing so, it only show those skins are average, not leap excellent to glamour. This is my last commands on your skins, I really wish you best and the colleagues you works with are helping you best, not just flattering around."
as for example too before tell us that is no sens to ask for a solution regarding this kind of issues please read the comments in this skin it's amazing:
Royal Expression
and:
Beyond vista
thought now two thing first concerning the comment about "Moonlight" dxtheme that the owner of "Moonlight" is one of those who moderate this gallery amazing people complaining about a thing the owner not (one of the thing who made PM/email/IRC better than comments to report a "RIP")
2nd since the Mar 29, 2007 rediffkhan haven't upload anything Cool one point for the TrollcommentingTeam.
Now if you haven't understand what i said make a skins and wait for those comments
Reply #17 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:11 AM
This the wisest judgment I know of. I think Stardock been taken their job very well. Honestly speaking, some skinners' cocky attitudes have stagnated their own skill and selling record, but they blame on "trolls" whom made a "negative" comments on his works. What the incorrigible !! But,we got to admit some skinners who sitting in front of monitor all day long would like the ingratiation more.
about "negative" we talk about no sens comments, harassing comments with question non regarding the skins but the skinners, insulting comments ....
like:
about my first boot:
"If only you didn't ruin it with a mustang.. why not the Camaro or RX-7?!
Still a sick boot!"
Still a sick boot!"
about a Master Skin:
"Why you double all of image files on Mainstyle for Substyle?? It didn't have to this way. You would abstemiously have another .xpstuff for Substyle and add those two lines on it which differ with Mainstyle.-"more program buttons" images. Since,both styles are implementing the same images, the only different were those 2 “more program buttons” images, and it didn’t need to copy all of images just for Substyle. Same is for .ToolBarIcons,Anomations and ShellStyle.xps.
Moreover,what happen to .animations? Files only need 7 .avi ,and no line for“ChangeAttributes”.avi?? No "search”shellstyle folder background?? And, those .png image files were residues while you making.
With all of above curtailment, the Odyssey Windowblinds skin was dropped from 2MB to less than 1MB and works fine. I think I have been keep reminding you on this issue, yet you obstinately continuing choose to ignore and to go your own gait... All of Windowblinds skins you made (of which has .substyles) has same kind of aesthetic issues, by doing so, it only show those skins are average, not leap excellent to glamour. This is my last commands on your skins, I really wish you best and the colleagues you works with are helping you best, not just flattering around."
as for example too before tell us that is no sens to ask for a solution regarding this kind of issues please read the comments in this skin it's amazing:
Royal Expression
and:
Beyond vista
thought now two thing first concerning the comment about "Moonlight" dxtheme that the owner of "Moonlight" is one of those who moderate this gallery
amazing people complaining about a thing the owner not (one of the thing who made PM/email/IRC better than comments to report a "RIP")2nd since the Mar 29, 2007 rediffkhan haven't upload anything Cool one point for the TrollcommentingTeam.
Now if you haven't understand what i said make a skins and wait for those comments
WOM
Reply #18 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:33 AM
Reply #18 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:33 AM
I agree with Boss and Fuzzy. The site does give chances to the offenders and if they keep it up, they do get exiled. But to give everyone the ability to censor the comments would be wrong. There would be nothing but glowing comments and most everything. Like Fuzzy said, if ya have a problem with a comment, PM a MOD.
ArileenDesign
Reply #19 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:39 AM
Reply #19 Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:39 AM
i agree with that WOM personaly after a good coffee and shower (look like it's need to think before acting 
) i'm for the ability to report them via a report button/link as Bebi said on the skin itself and in his comments it's true that hide will solve nothing i experimented it on DA report it will be better.
) i'm for the ability to report them via a report button/link as Bebi said on the skin itself and in his comments it's true that hide will solve nothing i experimented it on DA report it will be better.
REDstyler
Reply #20 Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:10 AM
Reply #20 Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:10 AM
It's so sad that people these days have got nothing better to say than something negative. Sometimes I really get angry.
That's why I love you guys! You're so cool!
That's why I love you guys! You're so cool!
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Reply #1 Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:06 PM