Apple Releases Safari Beta for Windows
Umm... yay?
Tuesday, June 12, 2007 by Zoomba | Discussion: WinCustomize News
Yesterday, at the keynote for the Apple World Wide Developer Conference, CEO Steve Jobs announced that the next version of the previously Apple-only web browser, Safari, would be making its way to the Windows world. In fact, upon the end of the keynote when the newly redesigned Apple.com was launched, you could download a beta of Safari 3. It looks like Apple is hoping to take the browser world by storm like it did with the music player/store software market with iTunes. However, there are many questions over whether or not yet another browser will make much of a splash in a market already crowded by larger-name players.
Yesterday, approximately 1.14% of our visitors were using Safari, as opposed to a 0.25% most days previous.
It is worth noting that we do not currently support Safari on WinCustomize, so if you're running the beta and you're getting flaky display problems, or submission forms aren't working, please just switch back to your standard PC browser. Safari is considered beta so it may not function properly.
If you've been using Safari for the past day now, what are your thoughts on it? Will it take the place of Internet Explorer, Firefox or Opera on your system?
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Jafo
Reply #22 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:52 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:52 PM
When you say you don't support Safari on Wincustomize, you should go on to say that you don't support Opera and Firefox either, and that you only support Internet Explorer.
Six years ago, at the dawn of Wincustomize.com I for one spent many hours uploading to the galleries, helping T-Man with Opera compatibility testing....
messiah1
Reply #23 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:09 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:09 PM
Wow, when I read this earlier today, I was going to dl the browser and give it a spin, now that I've had time to read through all these posts, none of which were here earlier when I made that decision, I think I'll stay away and keep using my trusty IE7. Thanks to those of you who posted your troubles with Safari here.
StephanA
Reply #24 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:17 PM
Reply #24 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:17 PM
'Day One' for Safari for Windows Becomes Zero-Day Nightmare
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
June 12, 2007, 11:20 AM
"It took security engineers perhaps less than two hours yesterday to introduce Apple's surprise entry in the field of Windows browsers to the big, cruel world of exploits and vulnerabilities, following its introduction yesterday morning at WWDC. As a result, much of the clout Safari had received as the secure browsing alternative to Internet Explorer and Firefox -- as long as it was on a Macintosh -- was burned off like fire to a flash fuse."
Good Luck!
By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
June 12, 2007, 11:20 AM
"It took security engineers perhaps less than two hours yesterday to introduce Apple's surprise entry in the field of Windows browsers to the big, cruel world of exploits and vulnerabilities, following its introduction yesterday morning at WWDC. As a result, much of the clout Safari had received as the secure browsing alternative to Internet Explorer and Firefox -- as long as it was on a Macintosh -- was burned off like fire to a flash fuse."
Good Luck!
elvee
Reply #25 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:20 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:20 PM
I use FF on WC and everything works fine....except one thing....The Photo management app for Personal Photo Galleries is not FF friendly. To get around that, I use the IE Tab Extention.
After reading some posts, I think I will wait to try Safari.
George Rogers Jr
Reply #26 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:52 PM
Reply #26 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:52 PM
I agree with JesseJ to somewhat of a degree, but by having THIS MANY problems posted here concerning this release you have to wonder if they tested it at all on a loaded Windows PC??? It's too bad because by having Safari in the mix it just adds more competition; pushing existing browser development & innovations that much further. 
Zoomba
Reply #27 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:50 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:50 PM
Well, it is a beta afterall. I don't think it's reasonable to expect stability and perfection.
Astyanax
Reply #28 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:54 PM
Uhhm... wow?
Open IE7, go to Internet Options. Once the options window opens under the General Tab look for Tabs near the lower middle - Click Settings. In the middle of the new Window you will see "When a Pop-up is encountered" - You want to select Always open pop-ups in a new tab.
Reply #28 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:54 PM
And a BIG gripe for me, is how unlike IE7 (and firefox? i dont know), you cannot set it to always open new links in a new tab in the same window. So if a website has an A tag with a target set to a new window, i get an actual NEW WINDOW, which kinda defeats the purpose of tabbed browsing.
Uhhm... wow?
Open IE7, go to Internet Options. Once the options window opens under the General Tab look for Tabs near the lower middle - Click Settings. In the middle of the new Window you will see "When a Pop-up is encountered" - You want to select Always open pop-ups in a new tab.
Aquamonkey
Reply #29 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:21 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:21 AM
Hang on a sec, wasn't numnuts Jobs saying a week or so ago that he and the other inmates at (cr)apple wouldn't program for Windows if that had any choice???
I don't like the look of this POC I expect my apps to use the same (or very similar) interface as the OS.
I don't like the look of this POC I expect my apps to use the same (or very similar) interface as the OS.
Dangerousdaze
Reply #30 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:59 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:59 AM
Attempting to force the look and feel of your own operating system onto your products running on a *different* operating system is an extremely poor design decision in my book. It just illustrates that you have a fundamental inability to separate form from function.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #31 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:00 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:00 AM
Safari so good... 
I won't be installing anytime soon given what people are saying. Here's another look Safari, talking about it's apparent lack of security... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/12/safari_security_bugs/
I won't be installing anytime soon given what people are saying. Here's another look Safari, talking about it's apparent lack of security... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/12/safari_security_bugs/
Bernie D
Reply #33 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:06 AM
Reply #33 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:06 AM
I installed the safari browser and so far so good haven't had any real problems. My number one browser is Firefox as for as IE7 its junk can't stand it.
Raven1417
Reply #34 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:24 AM
Reply #34 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:24 AM
Being in beta is no excuse for it being this bad, however maybe it's a marketing ploy to take us back to the Golden Age of Macs;
Open program
ERROR
Open program again
ERROR
Hmmm, open game
ERROR
F*#K THIS!! Shut down
ERROR
Drop computer out of 5th storey window
ERROR
...its typical apple style to be all show and no go so we shouldn't expect safari to be any better than it is now once it's released.
Open program
ERROR
Open program again
ERROR
Hmmm, open game
ERROR
F*#K THIS!! Shut down
ERROR
Drop computer out of 5th storey window
ERROR
...its typical apple style to be all show and no go so we shouldn't expect safari to be any better than it is now once it's released.
messiah1
Reply #35 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:36 AM
I think what he was saying is that he can't get this to occur in Safari...
Reply #35 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:36 AM
And a BIG gripe for me, is how unlike IE7 (and firefox? i dont know), you cannot set it to always open new links in a new tab in the same window. So if a website has an A tag with a target set to a new window, i get an actual NEW WINDOW, which kinda defeats the purpose of tabbed browsing.
Uhhm... wow?
Open IE7, go to Internet Options. Once the options window opens under the General Tab look for Tabs near the lower middle - Click Settings. In the middle of the new Window you will see "When a Pop-up is encountered" - You want to select Always open pop-ups in a new tab
Uhhm... wow?
Open IE7, go to Internet Options. Once the options window opens under the General Tab look for Tabs near the lower middle - Click Settings. In the middle of the new Window you will see "When a Pop-up is encountered" - You want to select Always open pop-ups in a new tab
I think what he was saying is that he can't get this to occur in Safari...
eidylon
Reply #37 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:03 PM
eXACTly. That's what i mean. And someone else was nice enough to point out that this IS also possible with FF as well as IE.
Oh, there's so many things wrong with this safari...
> the tabs in new windows issue;
> no backspace key to go back in history;
> their version of ClearType sucks;
> can't dbl-click tab bar to open a new tab;
> CTRL+N should do a new tab, not new window (they seem to only support tabs so they can say they can, but the browser isnt really geared towards using tabs);
> not sticking to the OS guidelines, as Nick Milner pointed out above;
> can't CTRL+TAB to switch between open tabs like any other "MDI"-ish Windows app;
> status bar is microscopic;
> no support for tooltips/title attribute;
> lock in of search only to Google and Yahoo;
Oh, BUT ... there is ONE thing i like about it; Their little "report-a-bug" function is WAY cool; Of course, whether they are actually listening to bugs from the Windows version, is a whole nother qeustion.
Reply #37 Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:03 PM
I think what he was saying is that he can't get this to occur in Safari...
eXACTly. That's what i mean. And someone else was nice enough to point out that this IS also possible with FF as well as IE.
Oh, there's so many things wrong with this safari...
> the tabs in new windows issue;
> no backspace key to go back in history;
> their version of ClearType sucks;
> can't dbl-click tab bar to open a new tab;
> CTRL+N should do a new tab, not new window (they seem to only support tabs so they can say they can, but the browser isnt really geared towards using tabs);
> not sticking to the OS guidelines, as Nick Milner pointed out above;
> can't CTRL+TAB to switch between open tabs like any other "MDI"-ish Windows app;
> status bar is microscopic;
> no support for tooltips/title attribute;
> lock in of search only to Google and Yahoo;
Oh, BUT ... there is ONE thing i like about it; Their little "report-a-bug" function is WAY cool; Of course, whether they are actually listening to bugs from the Windows version, is a whole nother qeustion.
Life is a Game
Reply #38 Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:22 AM
Reply #38 Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:22 AM
Been using it for a day and will not use it anymore. Eventhough Apple states it loads HTML and JavaScripts faster it doesn't. IE7 is faster and not to mention FF. About JavaScripts some don't work at all so I don't want to talk about speed at all.
The design might look good on a Mac but it totallu doesn't fit in Vista GUI. So unless they add skinning support I don't want to use it. I will stick with FireFox because it is the best for my needs.
Maybe Safari will become faster when the final version is released but if they don't change or add skinning support I'm not touching it.
The design might look good on a Mac but it totallu doesn't fit in Vista GUI. So unless they add skinning support I don't want to use it. I will stick with FireFox because it is the best for my needs.
Maybe Safari will become faster when the final version is released but if they don't change or add skinning support I'm not touching it.
Armbut
Reply #39 Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:56 AM
Reply #39 Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:56 AM
Okay, I used it for about 2 weeks. Then...I switched back to Firefox full-time. I really hope Apple gets their stuff straightened out with the browser. After 3 updates, they still haven't fixed the maximize/restore bug...
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Reply #21 Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:29 PM
And a BIG gripe for me, is how unlike IE7 (and firefox? i dont know), you cannot set it to always open new links in a new tab in the same window. So if a website has an A tag with a target set to a new window, i get an actual NEW WINDOW, which kinda defeats the purpose of tabbed browsing.
I am pretty sure Firefox has the ability to use just one window. I've used it since.. before version 1 and I rarely ever have two Firefox windows open. Tabs ftw.