Windows XP (OEM) to be phased out by year
Thursday, April 12, 2007 by BX | Discussion: WinCustomize News
According to a report by famous tech news website Winbeta, Microsoft has decided to phase-out the OEM editions of Windows XP by the end of this year despite consumers resistance to adopt Vista due to compatibility issues and hardware requirements. As a result computer manufacturers will only be able to sale Vista loaded Pc's.
By early 2008, Microsoft's contracts with computer makers will require companies to only sell Vista-loaded machines.
Despite Microsoft's relentless promotion of Vista, manufacturers are still seeing plenty of demand from customers for systems preloaded with XP, especially in the finicky SOHO market.
For complete story, check the link provided
By early 2008, Microsoft's contracts with computer makers will require companies to only sell Vista-loaded machines.
Despite Microsoft's relentless promotion of Vista, manufacturers are still seeing plenty of demand from customers for systems preloaded with XP, especially in the finicky SOHO market.
For complete story, check the link provided
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Astyanax
Reply #42 Friday, April 13, 2007 8:56 PM
Reply #42 Friday, April 13, 2007 8:56 PM
I know I wouldn't comment but I have to reply again to this:
I showed my dad this (everything I know about computers I have learned through him) and his responce was, "What *ucking planet does this guy live on?" In other words, the majority of small businesses will not fork over 700$ for a desktop computer when they can purchase a custom built one for 500$
Incase you try to question the fact that saying every small/large business should have 700$ Dell machines in all their offices, here is a list of his certs;
CCNA CCA 4,CCA XP MCSE IIS 4.0 Solaris 8 SCSA CNA NetWare 5.0 MCSE TCP/IP 1.0
MCSE NT 4.0 Server, MCSE NT 4.0 Workstation, MCSE Networking Essentials Microsoft Windows Accelerated Exam MCSE Windows 2000 Security Design
MCSE SQL 6.5 System Administration MCSE NT 4.0 Server In The Enterprise SYSTEM MANAGEMENT SERVER 2.0 LCP Sair Linux Installation and Configuration Certification MCSE Implementing and Supporting MS Exchange Server 5.5Installing, Configuring and Administration Windows 2000 Server
Installing, Configuring and Administering Windows 2000 Professional
Designing a Microsoft Windows 2000 Directory Services Infrastructure
This is what he's currently up to: Currently implementing and managing a Citrix 4.0 server farm for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Boston.
I see you had edited you're post since I last looked here (your most recent one), whats wrong? Not enough hair on your chest to leave up something you think is insulting/witty?
Why would a small or large company have someone build a custom box for them when you can get a business class Dell Optiplex 3.4Ghz Duo Core, 1GB RAM, 80GB Hard drive, DVD/CD-RW, etc for less than $700. This price includes a 17" UltraSharp FP Monitor AND a 3 Year, Next Business day, ON-SITE warranty. Small computer shops and newegg cant compare with that. Having the NBDOS warranty is a great value. It doesn't make sense for a business to go custom box anymore.
I showed my dad this (everything I know about computers I have learned through him) and his responce was, "What *ucking planet does this guy live on?" In other words, the majority of small businesses will not fork over 700$ for a desktop computer when they can purchase a custom built one for 500$
Incase you try to question the fact that saying every small/large business should have 700$ Dell machines in all their offices, here is a list of his certs;
CCNA CCA 4,CCA XP MCSE IIS 4.0 Solaris 8 SCSA CNA NetWare 5.0 MCSE TCP/IP 1.0
MCSE NT 4.0 Server, MCSE NT 4.0 Workstation, MCSE Networking Essentials Microsoft Windows Accelerated Exam MCSE Windows 2000 Security Design
MCSE SQL 6.5 System Administration MCSE NT 4.0 Server In The Enterprise SYSTEM MANAGEMENT SERVER 2.0 LCP Sair Linux Installation and Configuration Certification MCSE Implementing and Supporting MS Exchange Server 5.5Installing, Configuring and Administration Windows 2000 Server
Installing, Configuring and Administering Windows 2000 Professional
Designing a Microsoft Windows 2000 Directory Services Infrastructure
This is what he's currently up to: Currently implementing and managing a Citrix 4.0 server farm for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Boston.
I see you had edited you're post since I last looked here (your most recent one), whats wrong? Not enough hair on your chest to leave up something you think is insulting/witty?
vStyler
Reply #43 Friday, April 13, 2007 8:58 PM
Reply #43 Friday, April 13, 2007 8:58 PM
My Dad is a retired Royal Navy SAS Commander.. doesn't mean he can kick my ass. 
Astyanax
Reply #44 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:01 PM
Right, but having all those certs and me working for small businesses for a living means I dont know what im talking about? If you had bothered to read my previous posts you'd would know that already.
It's like telling a morbidly obese guy what food tastes great, HE ALREADY KNOWS!!
@Ghostrider359: I never said I had problems with XP, I said due to Vista's advanced memory management it beats XP in day performance capabilities. Im not talking about gaming, ATi's current benchmarks are roughly 3% lower in performance?? OHH NO! GIVE ME BACK MY 2FPS!!!! :/
And with that, I bid you all good-night.
Reply #44 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:01 PM
My Dad is a retired Royal Navy SAS Commander.. doesn't mean he can kick my ass.
Right, but having all those certs and me working for small businesses for a living means I dont know what im talking about? If you had bothered to read my previous posts you'd would know that already.
It's like telling a morbidly obese guy what food tastes great, HE ALREADY KNOWS!!
@Ghostrider359: I never said I had problems with XP, I said due to Vista's advanced memory management it beats XP in day performance capabilities. Im not talking about gaming, ATi's current benchmarks are roughly 3% lower in performance?? OHH NO! GIVE ME BACK MY 2FPS!!!! :/
And with that, I bid you all good-night.
vStyler
Reply #45 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:18 PM
Reply #45 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:18 PM
Well, Honestly I dont know WHO is right, my point was just qualifications sometimes count for nought..doesn't make someone auto-right. I have read the whole thread btw. 
Not on my box it doesn't
Vista's advanced memory management it beats XP in day performance capabilities
Not on my box it doesn't
PurrBall
Reply #46 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:33 PM
Reply #46 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:33 PM
IMO, good for them. Vista doesnt have any trouble with any of my programs or hardware so I think it is good that they are getting people to move on.
Phoon
Reply #47 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:33 PM
No, I took it down because I decided it better to not be a complete asshole to you.
Hope that's acceptable to you.
So I took a look around Newegg. I don't see anything that meets the specs I pointed out for $500. I found similar, with AMD Processors, but this did not include a monitor.
I see that they do offer Next Business Day on Site.
Also, as I said, a small office with 2-3 pc's, Ok. You can deal with supporting that on home built boxes. On multi-location offices the home build PC quickly loses it's support ability. Now, how does this relate to the original question...
In YOUR particular circumstance, it's ok.. Vista runs your software. In many others, Vista will not run the clients software (yet) and you are not going to be able to get an OEM copy of XP. That is going to add additional costs because you are going to have to pay full retail.
Reply #47 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:33 PM
I see you had edited you're post since I last looked here (your most recent one), whats wrong? Not enough hair on your chest to leave up something you think is insulting/witty?
No, I took it down because I decided it better to not be a complete asshole to you.
Hope that's acceptable to you.
So I took a look around Newegg. I don't see anything that meets the specs I pointed out for $500. I found similar, with AMD Processors, but this did not include a monitor.
I see that they do offer Next Business Day on Site.
Also, as I said, a small office with 2-3 pc's, Ok. You can deal with supporting that on home built boxes. On multi-location offices the home build PC quickly loses it's support ability. Now, how does this relate to the original question...
In YOUR particular circumstance, it's ok.. Vista runs your software. In many others, Vista will not run the clients software (yet) and you are not going to be able to get an OEM copy of XP. That is going to add additional costs because you are going to have to pay full retail.
Astyanax
Reply #48 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:36 PM
Reply #48 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:36 PM
Just FYI, not 2-3 PC's, roughly 20-30. By the way thats more than just one business.
shukcb04
Reply #49 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:48 PM
Reply #49 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:48 PM
i was getting so frustrated at the utter lack of functionality a windows xp computer allows that i just quit using it three days before my new vista loaded pc was delivered. after ahving used xp extensively for the past 4 years and having only used vista for a few days, i have to say vista is a far superior product. i have had absolutely no hardware problems and only one software conflict, and that's only because the company is no longer around and the product hasnt been updated for several years now. my vista computer runs like a charm. i would never in a million years trade it for some piee of crap xp system. plus vista is about 98 million times better looking. xp always looked like shit. now i dread having to go do my internship work on some damn xp computer, id jsut take my laptop with me if the stupid college would fix the network so it could work with vista.
starkers
Reply #50 Friday, April 13, 2007 10:33 PM
That is incorrect. You cannot buy a top name brand PC without an OS.
Here in Oz Dell is advertising 'personalised' computers.....a friend recently bought one without an OS because he didn't want an off the shelf one with Vista installed as standard. He then installed his own copy of XP Pro and is dual booting with Ubuntu.
Seems to me, though, given how many are complaining about having to upgrade their hardware, there's an awful lot of people still running some pretty old machines that'd be pushing it to run XP at full potential as is....so obviously Vista's not gonna run on them, and maybe
for some (to have a truly functional machine, even with XP) a PC upgrade is long overdue anyhow.
I agree! However, my mother has Vista experience of 3.5 on an 6 yo custom built rig with a 2.8 P4, a 256mb nvidia 6200GS GPU, 1gb of DDR400 RAM and an 80gb IDE HDD that runs Vista quite well, even with Aero and dreams enabled....so Vista does not require an expensive top end machine to run effectively. In my mother's case it was a relatively inexpensive RAM upgrade at AU$85.00 to run Vista, so it doesn't necessarily cost an arm and a leg.
Reply #50 Friday, April 13, 2007 10:33 PM
That is incorrect. You cannot buy a top name brand PC without an OS.
Here in Oz Dell is advertising 'personalised' computers.....a friend recently bought one without an OS because he didn't want an off the shelf one with Vista installed as standard. He then installed his own copy of XP Pro and is dual booting with Ubuntu.
Seems to me, though, given how many are complaining about having to upgrade their hardware, there's an awful lot of people still running some pretty old machines that'd be pushing it to run XP at full potential as is....so obviously Vista's not gonna run on them, and maybe
for some (to have a truly functional machine, even with XP) a PC upgrade is long overdue anyhow.
IMO, good for them. Vista doesnt have any trouble with any of my programs or hardware so I think it is good that they are getting people to move on.
I agree! However, my mother has Vista experience of 3.5 on an 6 yo custom built rig with a 2.8 P4, a 256mb nvidia 6200GS GPU, 1gb of DDR400 RAM and an 80gb IDE HDD that runs Vista quite well, even with Aero and dreams enabled....so Vista does not require an expensive top end machine to run effectively. In my mother's case it was a relatively inexpensive RAM upgrade at AU$85.00 to run Vista, so it doesn't necessarily cost an arm and a leg.
MadMax008
Reply #51 Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:09 AM
OEM
Why shouldn't MS require that manufactures ship with the "best and brightest" product
I think it's a good idea for manufacturers to have the newest stuff. however, with vista still being, for lack of a better term, "new", phasing out good ol' XP shouldn't be considered....yet. Manufacturers should (even though some do now, i'm talking about in the future) give you the choice of XP or Vista ( and not to mention all of Vista's siblings)i dont think XP should be phased out until late '09. unless there's some big breakthrough with Vista, I can't see XP dying anytime soon.
Reply #51 Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:09 AM
OEM
Why shouldn't MS require that manufactures ship with the "best and brightest" product
I think it's a good idea for manufacturers to have the newest stuff. however, with vista still being, for lack of a better term, "new", phasing out good ol' XP shouldn't be considered....yet. Manufacturers should (even though some do now, i'm talking about in the future) give you the choice of XP or Vista ( and not to mention all of Vista's siblings)i dont think XP should be phased out until late '09. unless there's some big breakthrough with Vista, I can't see XP dying anytime soon.
Ghostrider359
Reply #52 Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:31 AM
Reply #52 Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:31 AM
Astyanax0 - I thought you were no longer contributing to the conversation. Apparently it was going somewhere enough for you to come out of "retirement".
Anyway...
So you work for an IT firm. Right? Well I would assume you guys get fairly high-end machines to work from. Right? So my post still stands. If XP is so slow and unresponsive, but runs less processes and has less graphic eye candy than Vista...how does Vista just rocket around being more graphic intense and running significantly more processes? The answer? Because you just installed it. Give Vista a while, clutter it up with stuff and it won't be so fast anymore. This is sadly true of any system...no matter how wonderful it is or may be. Whenever I do a clean install of XP, its 100 times faster than the previous cluttered install. But what do I know...you are the expert. Right?
Anyway...
Good riddance, I can't stand XP after being on Vista since it went RTM. When I go to work and have to use XP everything is so much slower and less responsive. Glad to hear its getting the well deserved boot.
So you work for an IT firm. Right? Well I would assume you guys get fairly high-end machines to work from. Right? So my post still stands. If XP is so slow and unresponsive, but runs less processes and has less graphic eye candy than Vista...how does Vista just rocket around being more graphic intense and running significantly more processes? The answer? Because you just installed it. Give Vista a while, clutter it up with stuff and it won't be so fast anymore. This is sadly true of any system...no matter how wonderful it is or may be. Whenever I do a clean install of XP, its 100 times faster than the previous cluttered install. But what do I know...you are the expert. Right?
ZubaZ
Reply #53 Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:44 AM
Reply #53 Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:44 AM
This is an interesting conversation but two things stick keep nagging at me.
Lets face it, if your apps run on Vista, and the price point for hardware that runs it is always dropping and therefore comparable to an XP build, you are going to want Vista. It will have better support going forward, updates to your other software will be optimized for it, all the other cool companies will have it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
- MS knows more than us about the market. Phasing out XP as OEM won't affect so many people that they will lose business.
- MS makes the business. If they phase out XP as OEM it is done. No need to discuss it.
Lets face it, if your apps run on Vista, and the price point for hardware that runs it is always dropping and therefore comparable to an XP build, you are going to want Vista. It will have better support going forward, updates to your other software will be optimized for it, all the other cool companies will have it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
OpusCroakus
Reply #54 Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:12 AM
Not necessarily true. The large (Fortune 100) company I work for is finally replacing the various Win95 and NT4 boxes with Win2000. Only the laptops have XP. And they are still standardized on Office97!
And that's partly the point. Most of the software I need to run (PLC machine programming software, SCADA data collection systems, etc.) do NOT work on the latest and greatest MS OS whenever it comes out. These type of programs need to be stable, and need to run on a known stable OS... NOT the latest bug-infested, half-tested, beta release (no matter what MS labels it) of MS's latest half-baked OS. Vista is a buggy, drm-infested, overbloated pig of an OS, and the closest it's coming to my computer for at least a year or two is in a virtual machine... DEFINITELY not my host!!
The point to all of this is that customer should be offered a choice. Obviously, from the article, many customers are currently exercising that choice, and choosing XP! By taking away that choice, MS will be driving away customers, and may be skating that thin edge of their monopolistic behaviour.
Reply #54 Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:12 AM
Small business may have some choice, but any large business have to go with the big shops. They need the support structure and consistency of the business.
Not necessarily true. The large (Fortune 100) company I work for is finally replacing the various Win95 and NT4 boxes with Win2000. Only the laptops have XP. And they are still standardized on Office97!
Lets face it, if your apps run on Vista, and the price point for hardware that runs it is always dropping and therefore comparable to an XP build, you are going to want Vista. It will have better support going forward, updates to your other software will be optimized for it, all the other cool companies will have it.
And that's partly the point. Most of the software I need to run (PLC machine programming software, SCADA data collection systems, etc.) do NOT work on the latest and greatest MS OS whenever it comes out. These type of programs need to be stable, and need to run on a known stable OS... NOT the latest bug-infested, half-tested, beta release (no matter what MS labels it) of MS's latest half-baked OS. Vista is a buggy, drm-infested, overbloated pig of an OS, and the closest it's coming to my computer for at least a year or two is in a virtual machine... DEFINITELY not my host!!
The point to all of this is that customer should be offered a choice. Obviously, from the article, many customers are currently exercising that choice, and choosing XP! By taking away that choice, MS will be driving away customers, and may be skating that thin edge of their monopolistic behaviour.
ZubaZ
Reply #55 Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:23 AM
MS can't lose new sales based on this. At worse those not able to upgrade won't and will continue using 2000, XP, NT or WFWG, etc.
Reply #55 Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:23 AM
By taking away that choice, MS will be driving away customers, and may be skating that thin edge of their monopolistic behaviour.
Driving them away to what? Apple? *nix?MS can't lose new sales based on this. At worse those not able to upgrade won't and will continue using 2000, XP, NT or WFWG, etc.
PurrBall
Reply #56 Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:40 AM
I still use MS DOS. I don't get this whole bloated GUI thing.
Reply #56 Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:40 AM
MS can't lose new sales based on this. At worse those not able to upgrade won't and will continue using 2000, XP, NT or WFWG, etc.
I still use MS DOS. I don't get this whole bloated GUI thing.
ZubaZ
Reply #57 Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:13 PM
Reply #57 Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:13 PM
I still use MS DOS. I don't get this whole bloated GUI thing
LMAO
BuddhaV10
Reply #58 Monday, April 16, 2007 9:43 AM
Reply #58 Monday, April 16, 2007 9:43 AM
I still use MS DOS. I don't get this whole bloated GUI thing.
Fourth Letter
Reply #59 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:41 AM
Reply #59 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:41 AM
Great a new generation of whinners complaining about Vista , I thought we'd just got rid of all the die hard 98 lovers (dear god why!)
Vista uses dual core in a way that xp can't , it looks nicer , crashes less and is a much better product (testing Vista since last summer for my company) why all the militant XP loving ? have you been using it for the last 7 years ? it is far from great and as long as you have a discreet DX9 card and 1gb of ram Vista will run faster on your machine (yes proven and tested)
Waiting till next Jan to dump OEM XP is a long time i assummed they already had
Vista doesnt need any major fixes although alot of drivers do (Nvidia GRRRRRR)
If you don't like change and progress I think computers maybe the wrong job/passtime maybe try politics
Vista uses dual core in a way that xp can't , it looks nicer , crashes less and is a much better product (testing Vista since last summer for my company) why all the militant XP loving ? have you been using it for the last 7 years ? it is far from great and as long as you have a discreet DX9 card and 1gb of ram Vista will run faster on your machine (yes proven and tested)
Waiting till next Jan to dump OEM XP is a long time i assummed they already had
Vista doesnt need any major fixes although alot of drivers do (Nvidia GRRRRRR)
If you don't like change and progress I think computers maybe the wrong job/passtime maybe try politics
Jafo
Reply #60 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:59 AM
Reply #60 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:59 AM
crashes less
Vista hasn't really met me....yet.....just ask yrag....
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Reply #41 Friday, April 13, 2007 12:02 PM
many vendors (Dell chiefly) already use Vista exclusively on their new machines. A machine built for vista, have it 64 megs of video memory or 256, and 512-1 gig of ram, runs the OS beautifully. I can't speak for some cheap retailer somewhere, but a new computer from compusa or best buy with vista preloaded on it, on hard ware made for vista, is a good product. It's faster than XP, its more secure, and these new computers don't cost much more than their previous generations on XP.
Theres nothing wrong with pushing a new OS on better hardware, especially to people new to computers, looking for the easiest to use machine, while phasing out - a still good and fast - yet harder to maintain - product like XP. I think XP is a wonderful OS, in fact i prefer many things in XP over vista. But we're in a new generation, people can still buy it on their own, new computers shouldn't have it.