Posting Someone ELSE'S work
A New Category?
Monday, April 2, 2007 by PoSmedley | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I would love to see a gallery for all of the stuff that is posted as 'someone else's work' and just put it all in there, whatever it is. There, you can split it into categories (walls, boots, etc.).
If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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ArileenDesign
Reply #3 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:52 AM
Reply #3 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:52 AM
depends look at a desktopX theme if the authors use a wall made by an other? or scripts? in this case all work post in dxthemes gallery should be put in this new gallery cause tell one who don't use a script by martin or mountain dragon for example.
And (cause it's my case) it's forget the work put on like made his own scripts/graphics/codes/...etc
And (cause it's my case) it's forget the work put on like made his own scripts/graphics/codes/...etc
ZubaZ
Reply #4 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:53 AM
Reply #4 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:53 AM
I don't think the points, ratings, etc matter that much. What do I care if user X gets a million points more than me? Does it take away from the work I do? Does it get them "ahead" of me in some way?
If they get permission and give credit and we all get more art (or whatever
) it's all good.
If they get permission and give credit and we all get more art (or whatever
) it's all good.
ArileenDesign
Reply #5 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:55 AM
Reply #5 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:55 AM
I don't think the points, ratigns, etc matter that much. What do I care if user X gets a million points more than me?
Phoon
Reply #6 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:08 AM
That's the way it SHOULD be, but in reality it is NOT the way it is.
They do matter to (what I suspect is the majority of) skinners/artists here and as long as those measuring devices are in place, people are going to be upset about things that disrupt the honest use of them.
Reply #6 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:08 AM
don't think the points, ratigns, etc matter that much.
That's the way it SHOULD be, but in reality it is NOT the way it is.
They do matter to (what I suspect is the majority of) skinners/artists here and as long as those measuring devices are in place, people are going to be upset about things that disrupt the honest use of them.
ZubaZ
Reply #7 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:14 AM
Reply #7 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:14 AM
LOL, of cousre, I can say that because I have almost zero points of any kind.
If there were a finite number of points available and if I could trade in point for valuable prizes . . this would be a very different conversation.
{ring, ring}
"Hello Stardock."
"I'd like to trade 5000 FrogPoints in for an upgrade to CursorXP"
"Thanks!"
{click}
If there were a finite number of points available and if I could trade in point for valuable prizes . . this would be a very different conversation.
{ring, ring}
"Hello Stardock."
"I'd like to trade 5000 FrogPoints in for an upgrade to CursorXP"
"Thanks!"
{click}
Phoon
Reply #8 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:20 AM
Reply #8 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:20 AM
Although I have yet to figure out any type of "point system".
If it exists... how many points do you get for a high
If it exists... how many points do you get for a high
ratigns
.
Ton-K300
Reply #10 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:32 AM
Reply #10 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:32 AM
I’m inclined to agree with Po’ and the fact that the submitter will gain merit from somebody else’s work, doesn’t seem fair! I can understand though if the original submission was a wallpaper but would look equally as good as a login screen or a window blind was created from a wallpaper not created by the ‘skinner’ of the blind. Permission granted of course!
I moderate for another graphic website and we do occasionally hit on this problem. Submissions with a????, as the author are usually thrown out but it can be just such a shame to see somebody that has shown talent in the past submitting something that is a sure ‘winner’ but the work in question is not in their style.
Perhaps a separate category for this type of upload would make it more official?
I moderate for another graphic website and we do occasionally hit on this problem. Submissions with a????, as the author are usually thrown out but it can be just such a shame to see somebody that has shown talent in the past submitting something that is a sure ‘winner’ but the work in question is not in their style.
Perhaps a separate category for this type of upload would make it more official?
Jafo
Reply #11 Monday, April 2, 2007 12:03 PM
Reply #11 Monday, April 2, 2007 12:03 PM
It all becomes very muddy when the prospect of ports, etc is considered as well.
I think people can take 'heart' that posting works 100% belonging to another [with permission] will do next to nothing towards promotions within the user-levels here, in comparison with original works and/or ports....
CerebroJD
Reply #12 Monday, April 2, 2007 12:18 PM
Silly ZubaZ... clearly they are Starbucks...
Reply #12 Monday, April 2, 2007 12:18 PM
"I'd like to trade 5000 FrogPoints in for an upgrade to CursorXP"
Silly ZubaZ... clearly they are Starbucks...
PoSmedley
Reply #14 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:17 PM
That is why I mentioned the defining of altered, adapted, etc. (You and I talked about this before..I got nutz!, I know) Ports of wb's by an author other than the original creator should fall into this category.
I understand the use of walls for boots and log-ons, etc. What I am talking about is taking something that someone else made and could submit here and submitting yourself.
Example..I have a wall on my DA site and someone asks me for permission to post the same wall here, as a wall. You can substitute the wall example for icon, wb, dxobject, etc.
I understand that they may have the author's permission, but my feeling is, let the original author upload it, otherwise, delegate it to it's own gallery so the artists who are submitting original work aren't competing with it for views, ratings, points, etc.
I'm only suggesting this and maybe I am not making myself clear or it's just to complicated an idea, I don't know. Again, I'm not trying to piss anyone off or anything. I understand all may not agree. Either way, let me know if you get what I mean. lol.
Reply #14 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:17 PM
It all becomes very muddy when the prospect of ports, etc is considered as well.
That is why I mentioned the defining of altered, adapted, etc. (You and I talked about this before..I got nutz!, I know) Ports of wb's by an author other than the original creator should fall into this category.
I understand the use of walls for boots and log-ons, etc. What I am talking about is taking something that someone else made and could submit here and submitting yourself.
Example..I have a wall on my DA site and someone asks me for permission to post the same wall here, as a wall. You can substitute the wall example for icon, wb, dxobject, etc.
I understand that they may have the author's permission, but my feeling is, let the original author upload it, otherwise, delegate it to it's own gallery so the artists who are submitting original work aren't competing with it for views, ratings, points, etc.
I'm only suggesting this and maybe I am not making myself clear or it's just to complicated an idea, I don't know. Again, I'm not trying to piss anyone off or anything. I understand all may not agree. Either way, let me know if you get what I mean. lol.
ZubaZ
Reply #15 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:37 PM
There's competition? For what?
A similar post popped up here last week due to an artist publishing someone elses work (with permission). My interpettation of the end result was that WC is designed to showcase the art, not the artist. Why make the system harder for the average end user who just wants to apply a cool wall or icon, or whatever? As long as permission is granted and original artist cited the submitter has performed a service and the casual user can go about customizing.
I would rather the original artist submit here under their own name and get more direct credit but I'd hate to make it a hassle if they choose to give "distribution rights" instead.
The original artist can always say no, right?
Reply #15 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:37 PM
. . . so the artists who are submitting original work aren't competing with it for views, ratings, points, etc.
There's competition? For what?
A similar post popped up here last week due to an artist publishing someone elses work (with permission). My interpettation of the end result was that WC is designed to showcase the art, not the artist. Why make the system harder for the average end user who just wants to apply a cool wall or icon, or whatever? As long as permission is granted and original artist cited the submitter has performed a service and the casual user can go about customizing.
I would rather the original artist submit here under their own name and get more direct credit but I'd hate to make it a hassle if they choose to give "distribution rights" instead.
The original artist can always say no, right?
ArileenDesign
Reply #17 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:48 PM
Reply #17 Monday, April 2, 2007 1:48 PM
No problems for me Po' you ask a good question just i tried to clarify something
PoSmedley
Reply #18 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:12 PM
Thanks, Boss. I understand the point made and it's a good one. I do realize the stuff is going to be posted. Maybe it's just me, that I would like to see it separated from original work by the original artist in the gallery's.
All in all, it's no big deal. Just a thought I threw out here.
Reply #18 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:12 PM
It's been decided, except for the separate gallery.
Thanks, Boss. I understand the point made and it's a good one. I do realize the stuff is going to be posted. Maybe it's just me, that I would like to see it separated from original work by the original artist in the gallery's.
All in all, it's no big deal. Just a thought I threw out here.
PoSmedley
Reply #19 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:20 PM
As a Wizop and employee, wouldn't the points and ratings be something you support?
Reply #19 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:20 PM
I don't think the points, ratings, etc matter that much.
As a Wizop and employee, wouldn't the points and ratings be something you support?
RomanDA
Reply #20 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:31 PM
Reply #20 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:31 PM
I can see the point here.. If you work on something that is ALL YOURS and takes weeks or months, you post it, it gets a "fair" amount of downloads, but its buried in a swamp of other uploads that are not even the work of the people in the gallery, but of others, that could be upsetting, and maybe put you off from uploading.
But, it might also let you see what is popular, and you could work on things that are more popular if you want that.
I know its hard to look at the top 10 of a gallery and know that 2-3 of those top 10 are people who dont know how to skin their way out of a box, and your #11 or #100 who knows, it would bug me.. if i got bugged over that stuff, like fame, points, frogpoints, or starbucks..
I do agree with Jafo that the Admin's do know who is really making their OWN work, and who is porting things, and if all you want to be is a "citizen" then go for it. Dont look to make anything more then that.
I personally would rather have 100 downloads by people who know the work that went into the project, then 10,000 from people who will use it for 1 min then trash it when the next thing comes out. I know people that are using my work for months if not years. THAT is the real goal, making something that has LASTING VALUE, not fleeting fancy.
Just my 0.02
But, it might also let you see what is popular, and you could work on things that are more popular if you want that.
I know its hard to look at the top 10 of a gallery and know that 2-3 of those top 10 are people who dont know how to skin their way out of a box, and your #11 or #100 who knows, it would bug me.. if i got bugged over that stuff, like fame, points, frogpoints, or starbucks..
I do agree with Jafo that the Admin's do know who is really making their OWN work, and who is porting things, and if all you want to be is a "citizen" then go for it. Dont look to make anything more then that.
I personally would rather have 100 downloads by people who know the work that went into the project, then 10,000 from people who will use it for 1 min then trash it when the next thing comes out. I know people that are using my work for months if not years. THAT is the real goal, making something that has LASTING VALUE, not fleeting fancy.
Just my 0.02
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Reply #1 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:38 AM