Posting Someone ELSE'S work
A New Category?
Monday, April 2, 2007 by PoSmedley | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I would love to see a gallery for all of the stuff that is posted as 'someone else's work' and just put it all in there, whatever it is. There, you can split it into categories (walls, boots, etc.).
If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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Double Zero
Reply #22 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:43 PM
Ok..Now, No trashing Starbucks..I'll get bugged over that!
All BS aside, Po has a valid "point" .. no pun intended..
As far "as" the point system...Competition,notoriety, status is something that is in everything we do on this site, from posting our work to who is the most "popular poster" .. This site is built on status so you cant really say it doesnt matter...
Reply #22 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:43 PM
if i got bugged over that stuff, like fame, points, frogpoints, or starbucks..
Ok..Now, No trashing Starbucks..I'll get bugged over that!
All BS aside, Po has a valid "point" .. no pun intended..
As far "as" the point system...Competition,notoriety, status is something that is in everything we do on this site, from posting our work to who is the most "popular poster" .. This site is built on status so you cant really say it doesnt matter...
ZubaZ
Reply #23 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:44 PM
Heh. Look at me the mindless clone (that can't spell or type)?
Support, yes. Care . . not so much.
I guees it depends on ones use of the site. I'm not one of the artists here. I'm a user. That's always been my focus. And I've never used the points to find "good" artists so I could get thier skins. I do sort by skin ratings sometimes but that's not related to points, is it?
If I was a big-time skinner I might care about my points. Or, I might care about downloads. Or . . knowing me as well as I do, I'd make whatever it was for me and the community and watch the points/ratings/downloads as an aside.
I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either; as long as they get the jobs done, I'm OK.
Reply #23 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:44 PM
As a Wizop and employee, wouldn't the points and ratings be something you support?
Heh. Look at me the mindless clone (that can't spell or type)?
Support, yes. Care . . not so much.
I guees it depends on ones use of the site. I'm not one of the artists here. I'm a user. That's always been my focus. And I've never used the points to find "good" artists so I could get thier skins. I do sort by skin ratings sometimes but that's not related to points, is it?
If I was a big-time skinner I might care about my points. Or, I might care about downloads. Or . . knowing me as well as I do, I'd make whatever it was for me and the community and watch the points/ratings/downloads as an aside.
I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either; as long as they get the jobs done, I'm OK.
vStyler
Reply #24 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:53 PM
Glad thats out of the way
Reply #24 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:53 PM
I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either
Glad thats out of the way
PoSmedley
Reply #25 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:00 PM
Now, if I let this comment go...my head will explode. The problem is anything I say will just get me in some really hot water. So, I will pick on something else.
I'm not either. But I am thinking of those who are as well as myself, perhaps because I'm not a big time skinner.
My downloads come mostly from the quantity of stuff I upload and not so much the quality. I van admit that. (And make a comment on the first quote at the same time. lol. No wait. That just makes it sound worse. lol. Frag it.)
I think Roman said it best for me. (Must cut my pain meds in half)
I think of ThemesXP (Not sure I got that right) where damn near nothing was original. I posted there years ago with my first PC and before I knew about WC. It used to drive me nuts to see my stuff lost in a sea of ripped images and such.
I have seen a few threads and comments of late about the use of 'other people's work' and was just trying to think of a way to do it that might work for everyone.
I may be wrong, but those who agree with me might find that it is acceptable and I can't imagine that those who are posting other people's original work (with permission of course) would be upset they had there own category. As Roman pointed out, it is a way to see what's popular and perhaps the gallery could even use that as a theme or something like 'From Around The Web'. I dunno. Just thinking out loud.
I don't expect everyone to agree or WC to change everything fr me. After all, I see things that aren't there.
Reply #25 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:00 PM
I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either; as long as they get the jobs done, I'm OK.
Now, if I let this comment go...my head will explode. The problem is anything I say will just get me in some really hot water. So, I will pick on something else.
If I was a big-time skinner I might care about my points. Or, I might care about downloads.
I'm not either. But I am thinking of those who are as well as myself, perhaps because I'm not a big time skinner.
My downloads come mostly from the quantity of stuff I upload and not so much the quality. I van admit that. (And make a comment on the first quote at the same time. lol. No wait. That just makes it sound worse. lol. Frag it.)
I think Roman said it best for me. (Must cut my pain meds in half)
I think of ThemesXP (Not sure I got that right) where damn near nothing was original. I posted there years ago with my first PC and before I knew about WC. It used to drive me nuts to see my stuff lost in a sea of ripped images and such.
I have seen a few threads and comments of late about the use of 'other people's work' and was just trying to think of a way to do it that might work for everyone.
I may be wrong, but those who agree with me might find that it is acceptable and I can't imagine that those who are posting other people's original work (with permission of course) would be upset they had there own category. As Roman pointed out, it is a way to see what's popular and perhaps the gallery could even use that as a theme or something like 'From Around The Web'. I dunno. Just thinking out loud.
I don't expect everyone to agree or WC to change everything fr me. After all, I see things that aren't there.
RomanDA
Reply #26 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:03 PM
--- not touching that one ---
I think part of this issue is for me.. when i look at the galleries im part of, i look at my rank in that gallery to see who i have to "pass" to get to #9 or hell #1..
But that ranking is based on downloads.. why not make it based on the RANKING of the skins they have posted? and weighted on if its "original artwork, or code" Just because im working on something out of the main stream or that would get 8,000 downloads, why does that mean my ranking in that gallery is lower then the person who is posting 1 widget a day? It should be about QUALITY, and ORIGINALITY, not downloads.
But.. like Zu um.. "put it"... i compare myself to the people i look UP to not to the ones who have the most downloads. i want to be known for the work i do, for helping people, for trying to push DX past the basics, for trying to show others how it can be used.
Reply #26 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:03 PM
I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either
--- not touching that one ---
I think part of this issue is for me.. when i look at the galleries im part of, i look at my rank in that gallery to see who i have to "pass" to get to #9 or hell #1..
But that ranking is based on downloads.. why not make it based on the RANKING of the skins they have posted? and weighted on if its "original artwork, or code" Just because im working on something out of the main stream or that would get 8,000 downloads, why does that mean my ranking in that gallery is lower then the person who is posting 1 widget a day? It should be about QUALITY, and ORIGINALITY, not downloads.
But.. like Zu um.. "put it"... i compare myself to the people i look UP to not to the ones who have the most downloads. i want to be known for the work i do, for helping people, for trying to push DX past the basics, for trying to show others how it can be used.
PoSmedley
Reply #27 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:08 PM
Reply #27 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:08 PM
and while I am here and on a roll...or rant...or drug induced blathering and spittle-fest...
The entire moderation process confounds me. I would love to spend a day with you guys just to watch and learn. Which brings me to...
I think the next BIG contest you guys have...the winner should get a tour of the place on you guys with hotel and travel expenses. lol. (I love to spend other people's money)
Seriously though, for the folks that are REALLY into all of this and would appreciate something like that, I think it would be an awesome prize.
The entire moderation process confounds me. I would love to spend a day with you guys just to watch and learn. Which brings me to...
I think the next BIG contest you guys have...the winner should get a tour of the place on you guys with hotel and travel expenses. lol. (I love to spend other people's money)
Seriously though, for the folks that are REALLY into all of this and would appreciate something like that, I think it would be an awesome prize.
PoSmedley
Reply #28 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:11 PM
Then I must be looking up to everybody else. lol.
You have a good point in the entire comment there. I don't like to feel like I have to compete with someone...but I admit...I get green with envy when I see some things uploaded by other's and wish I had thought of it or I was that good...and it gives me something to shoot for..or at the least, inspiration that may lead me to something new.
Reply #28 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:11 PM
i look at my rank in that gallery to see who i have to "pass" to get to #9 or hell #1..
Then I must be looking up to everybody else. lol.
You have a good point in the entire comment there. I don't like to feel like I have to compete with someone...but I admit...I get green with envy when I see some things uploaded by other's and wish I had thought of it or I was that good...and it gives me something to shoot for..or at the least, inspiration that may lead me to something new.
ArileenDesign
Reply #29 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:15 PM
Reply #29 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:15 PM
perso like i have said many times, I don't care about Downloads counts.
I make my "work" for the fun that's all.
I make my "work" for the fun that's all.
ZubaZ
Reply #30 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:16 PM
Reply #30 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:16 PM
I think I need to take a step back from this. Again, I'm not the artist Po or David are. I'm pretending I'm joe user here a just want skins and I don't want to go all over hell in WC to get good stuff. Remember, most of the folks that come here are not artists or posters. They are downloaders and readers.
If there was a way to fulfill your goals without impacting the majority of users here, I'd be all over it. Allowing derivitive works, ports, and "distribution rights" are all good for WC but have thier own brand of issues.
I'll tell you what; I'm just glad tha we can have these discussions without hurt feelings or flamewars.
If there was a way to fulfill your goals without impacting the majority of users here, I'd be all over it. Allowing derivitive works, ports, and "distribution rights" are all good for WC but have thier own brand of issues.
I'll tell you what; I'm just glad tha we can have these discussions without hurt feelings or flamewars.
ArileenDesign
Reply #31 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:26 PM
Reply #31 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:26 PM
Just for the joke
Not an attack po'
I love Bugs
Not an attack po'
I love Bugs
PoSmedley
Reply #32 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:28 PM
Me too, you Company-man-doofus.
Funny, Quentin. If I take more pain pills, I can pretend it's true. lol.
Reply #32 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:28 PM
I'll tell you what; I'm just glad tha we can have these discussions without hurt feelings or flamewars.
Me too, you Company-man-doofus.
Funny, Quentin. If I take more pain pills, I can pretend it's true. lol.
ArileenDesign
Reply #33 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:39 PM
Reply #33 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:39 PM
i take some good drugs since one or two days antidepressants and Anxiolitics I can share if you want
I can share if you want
PoSmedley
Reply #34 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:39 PM
Okay. Last question.
So, who does the site consider it's priority? Artists and posters? Downloaders and readers?
I don't think that another gallery would be as huge an impact as that to the users, no matter who they are, as much as it would be to make it and mod it, which is why I realize how futile this is. It's just a thought.
Reply #34 Monday, April 2, 2007 4:39 PM
I'm pretending I'm joe user here a just want skins and I don't want to go all over hell in WC to get good stuff. Remember, most of the folks that come here are not artists or posters. They are downloaders and readers.
If there was a way to fulfill your goals without impacting the majority of users here, I'd be all over it.
If there was a way to fulfill your goals without impacting the majority of users here, I'd be all over it.
Okay. Last question.
So, who does the site consider it's priority? Artists and posters? Downloaders and readers?
I don't think that another gallery would be as huge an impact as that to the users, no matter who they are, as much as it would be to make it and mod it, which is why I realize how futile this is. It's just a thought.
ZubaZ
Reply #35 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:03 PM
I read this really fast and really slow and didn't follow.
Zubaz goes to to get some meds so he can keep up.
Reply #35 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:03 PM
I don't think that another gallery would be as huge an impact as that to the users, no matter who they are, as much as it would be to make it and mod it, which is why I realize how futile this is. It's just a thought.
I read this really fast and really slow and didn't follow.
Zubaz goes to to get some meds so he can keep up.
PoSmedley
Reply #36 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:09 PM
^ I was referring to this comment when I said..
Reply #36 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:09 PM
If there was a way to fulfill your goals without impacting the majority of users here, I'd be all over it.
^ I was referring to this comment when I said..
I don't think that another gallery would be as huge an impact as that to the users, no matter who they are, as much as it would be to make it and mod it, which is why I realize how futile this is. It's just a thought.
Zoomba
Reply #37 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:24 PM
Reply #37 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:24 PM
We want to actively encourage people to contribute as much content to the site as possible, even better if it's high-quality content! Even if it means asking someone else for permission to repost their work here. Not all authors are necessarily interested in joining every site on the Internet they can find.
If proper permission is obtained, and credit is properly noted, we don't see any issue with allowing the submissions. On the flip-side, if an original author ever comes to us and says "Take it down" we will do so immediately.
Adding an additional gallery also isn't the solution. One of the complaints about WC is how cluttered sections are and how hard it is to quickly sort out what you want. If anything, we need to be consolidating galleries and restructuring them, not adding new ones.
I don't want users to have to go to other sites to get everything they need to skin their PC, the more content we can get here the better (so long as it's done legally).
PoSmedley
Reply #38 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:35 PM
Could restructuring them involve a 'category' within a 'gallery'? Possibly with the option to 'block' said content the same way you can pick the gallery's you want to see on the front page or choose the ratings of skins you wish to view?
I guess what burns me is that I have a wall I just got through and it's buried under 10 other walls. 2 of them are images from a site that has the exact images for sale as prints and have no permissions (and the author may have at least 2 others from the same site posted) and another 6 skins that are collages of pics that don't say where the images are from or even if they are the author's.
Reply #38 Monday, April 2, 2007 5:35 PM
One of the complaints about WC is how cluttered sections are and how hard it is to quickly sort out what you want. If anything, we need to be consolidating galleries and restructuring them, not adding new ones.
Could restructuring them involve a 'category' within a 'gallery'? Possibly with the option to 'block' said content the same way you can pick the gallery's you want to see on the front page or choose the ratings of skins you wish to view?
I guess what burns me is that I have a wall I just got through and it's buried under 10 other walls. 2 of them are images from a site that has the exact images for sale as prints and have no permissions (and the author may have at least 2 others from the same site posted) and another 6 skins that are collages of pics that don't say where the images are from or even if they are the author's.
Phoon
Reply #39 Monday, April 2, 2007 6:23 PM
Reply #39 Monday, April 2, 2007 6:23 PM
I don't have issues with these uploads, but for cryin out loud, can't someone even check for permission? There are 3 walls sitting in the gallery right now that don't have any permission at all. One of them even says where it was downloaded from! Not sure if one of them really needs permission, but how that one made it to the gallery is a wonder in itself...
EDIT... as I was typing this, someone was removing the referenced wall.
EDIT... as I was typing this, someone was removing the referenced wall.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #40 Monday, April 2, 2007 6:29 PM
Reply #40 Monday, April 2, 2007 6:29 PM
Good point Phoon... This isn't Airport security.
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Reply #21 Monday, April 2, 2007 3:37 PM
Yes. Thank you for explaining myself to me. lol.
If I did just what was popular, I probably wouldn't be writing this. lol. I agree with making something that has 'LASTING VALUE', though I have yet to achieve that. But I keep trying.