Posting Someone ELSE'S work
A New Category?
Monday, April 2, 2007 by PoSmedley | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I would love to see a gallery for all of the stuff that is posted as 'someone else's work' and just put it all in there, whatever it is. There, you can split it into categories (walls, boots, etc.).
If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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If the work being posted is originally created by a non-member and is posted by a WC member, I think it needs to be separated from the original work of WC contributor's.
I realize this will 'piss off' some people...that's not my intent. I also realize that this would involve defining 'other people's original work' and 'altered and/or improved on' and/or 'adapted for a specific proggie' and/or of course ports. All should include permissions and that they are included should be posted in the description.
It just doesn't seem right that someone gets ratings, points, etc., for work that someone else did..whom is not even a member of the site. I think if it is going to be posted here, it should have it's own category to distinguish it from everything else...no ratings or points..and not be allowed to consume front page space that can and should go to original works of member's. (Not that I have specifically seen anything 'not-original' on the front page)
IMHO
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Phoon
Reply #42 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:48 PM
Reply #42 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:48 PM
I wasn't talking about your maps Alperium. Now putem back!
I didn't mention the authors name, you shouldn't make assumptions
I didn't mention the authors name, you shouldn't make assumptions
PoSmedley
Reply #43 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:48 PM
Reply #43 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:48 PM
Dealing some of these issues never make me happy, no matter what the outcome.
PoSmedley
Reply #45 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:57 PM
Reply #45 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:57 PM
me too. and then sometimes I love that we
actually have mods here who care.
actually have mods here who care.
Fairyy~
Reply #46 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:07 PM
The first wall this person submitted last week - the graphics are just pasted on oblong blocks - 2 of the graphics had watermarks. I left a message to this person that you can't use graphics that belong to others and if those watermarks are not their own, they need permission.
This was wall I left message on.
WWW Link
This is a SS of the zip of one of their walls uploaded today - it appears to have a permission text but as you see - that is not permission at all. They basically say they used graphics that aren't their own and I guess they think that covers it.
Reply #46 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:07 PM
and another 6 skins that are collages of pics that don't say where the images are from or even if they are the author's.
The first wall this person submitted last week - the graphics are just pasted on oblong blocks - 2 of the graphics had watermarks. I left a message to this person that you can't use graphics that belong to others and if those watermarks are not their own, they need permission.
This was wall I left message on.
WWW Link
This is a SS of the zip of one of their walls uploaded today - it appears to have a permission text but as you see - that is not permission at all. They basically say they used graphics that aren't their own and I guess they think that covers it.
Bebi Bulma
Reply #47 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:13 PM
Reply #47 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:13 PM
Why isn't the policy about posting other people's work without permission explained in plain and simple terms on the upload page itself? Surely that would be a good idea...there are links to the Rules and Guidelines pages (in small print at the bottom) but who honestly clicks those links and spends all that time reading those very verbose pages? Keep it short and sweet. "If you did not make this work yourself but used someone else's work, you MUST get expressed permission in order to upload" or something along those lines in noticeable text?
sleepydawg
Reply #48 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:14 PM
Thanks for making my day!
Reply #48 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:14 PM
Yes. Thank you for explaining myself to me. lol.
Thanks for making my day!
PoSmedley
Reply #49 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:20 PM
Reply #49 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:20 PM
Thank you for pointing that out Fairyy. I mentioned it to Zubaz and Zoomba in IRC, but I don't think I was clear.
sleepydawg
Reply #51 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:30 PM
WinCustomize and DA are now owned by the same frog.WWW Link
I think Po Idea is a good one. It could make monitoring these works easier by having them all in one place.
Reply #51 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:30 PM
OK,no problems,but sometimes i love DeviantART.
WinCustomize and DA are now owned by the same frog.WWW Link
I think Po Idea is a good one. It could make monitoring these works easier by having them all in one place.
Phoon
Reply #52 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:39 PM
Reply #52 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:39 PM
Alperium,
I sent you a new message at SA concerning the maps.
Tis a shame, they were nice.
I sent you a new message at SA concerning the maps.
Tis a shame, they were nice.
BigDogBigFeet
Reply #54 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:44 PM
Reply #54 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:44 PM
Hey Po' my $.02 worth. I tried uploading some of your walls here at the site and they kept being rejected. I told them they accepted these same walls when you submitted them. Sheesh go figure huh?
vStyler
Reply #55 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:46 PM
Reply #55 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:46 PM
Even if they say they have permission.. doesn't neccesarily make it so. Hopefully the whole thing won't end up like ThemeXP where every second item was a rip with included "permission" or not even that.
Although I can understand WC wanting all the content it can get its hands on, this sort of thing leads to bad quality, accusations, arguements. I for one would vote for integrity's sake to only allow Original works or "obvious" official ports.. and not an uploading free-for-all.
Although I can understand WC wanting all the content it can get its hands on, this sort of thing leads to bad quality, accusations, arguements. I for one would vote for integrity's sake to only allow Original works or "obvious" official ports.. and not an uploading free-for-all.
Bebi Bulma
Reply #56 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:51 PM
I totally agree, but seems the decision has already been made.
What happened to quality over quantity?
Reply #56 Monday, April 2, 2007 8:51 PM
Although I can understand WC wanting all the content it can get its hands on, this sort of thing leads to bad quality, accusations, arguements. I for one would vote for integrity's sake to only allow Original works or "obvious" official ports.. and not an uploading free-for-all.
I totally agree, but seems the decision has already been made.
What happened to quality over quantity?
vStyler
Reply #57 Monday, April 2, 2007 9:24 PM
quantity won? It'll never win in my book though. 
Reply #57 Monday, April 2, 2007 9:24 PM
What happened to quality over quantity?
quantity won?
It'll never win in my book though. 
ZubaZ
Reply #58 Monday, April 2, 2007 9:41 PM
Reply #58 Monday, April 2, 2007 9:41 PM
I don't think that the conclusion being drawn (Quantity over Quality) is the end result.
I think that some people are taking advantage of a situation that will shake itself out.
Remember, the goal is to get the best art availabl ehere at WC. As always, the admins and mods will need the help of the community to alert them of problems and be role models of the expected behavior.
I think that some people are taking advantage of a situation that will shake itself out.
Remember, the goal is to get the best art availabl ehere at WC. As always, the admins and mods will need the help of the community to alert them of problems and be role models of the expected behavior.
skybright
Reply #59 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:09 PM
Reply #59 Monday, April 2, 2007 10:09 PM
I am coming from a different perspective. I am a reader and a downloader. I rarely comment. But in this case I would like to. Finding this site and Stardock is what I longed for. I consider skinning an art form. Their are so many talented artist here I rarely download from other sites because I think we have the best talented skinners here. I look at the quality of the skin period. I am not a go with the crowd to download just because their are a 1000 downdoads. I look at originality the unique quality that went into the making of a skin plus the time and effort that was but into making that skin. So my point, all and all is I agree with you Po. If I wanted someone elses work I would download it from another site!!!
PoSmedley
Reply #60 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:47 PM
But those walls are still up. (?)
Collage, Collage2, and Rainy all have txt files in the zip that say the photo's are not hers..nothing further on source or permission.
Purple Flower has a 'umark lite' watermark on it.
And that boot skin is still up as well. (?)
Reply #60 Monday, April 2, 2007 11:47 PM
Crystal.
But those walls are still up. (?)
Collage, Collage2, and Rainy all have txt files in the zip that say the photo's are not hers..nothing further on source or permission.
Purple Flower has a 'umark lite' watermark on it.
And that boot skin is still up as well. (?)
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Reply #41 Monday, April 2, 2007 7:44 PM