Protest
Sunday, March 4, 2007 by Bushman | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I've been a subscriber to WC since damn near the beginning (I've only been skinning for about 2.5 years) but after learning about yesterdays tragic loss of 3 skinners from this site and the way things were handled I've decided to not re-new my WC subscribtion any more and I will no longer support WC by adding any more skins. I am apalled at how Brad and others treated the skinners because of their beliefs. Now before anybody tries to make more of this than what I am saying,let me say it so it is very clear. I am not threating anybody with anything, I am just stating my intentions and reasons. I'm not saying if you don't do this I'll do that. I'm not making any requests, no demands, favors, nothing, at this point there is nothing that will change things. Brads actions/words and the actions/words of all those who followed his lead, plus I finally understand the rankings (Master, Journeyman et.), (here I thought they were given because of the work an indivdual did, now I understand that's only a small part of it),are my reasons.
Now if someone feels the need to bash me for my decision, save it, it just brings out the child in ya. I'm not asking to have my skins removed unless someone feels the need to do that, I can't stop you. I just ren-newed my subscribtion in Jan for the next 2 years so I expect all privileges my WC subscribtion allows, so don't go messing with me in that area or it will get legal (no threat, just a fact).
I didn't write this to argue with anybody about who is right or wrong. All I'm doing is expressing my decisions and why. This place has changed some for the good, some for the bad and unfortunately recently there's been more bad. This is a great website and it's helped many people to become great artists and it has been a pioneer in skinning so there's still hope that things will change around but there's a lot of work to be done.
Now if someone feels the need to bash me for my decision, save it, it just brings out the child in ya. I'm not asking to have my skins removed unless someone feels the need to do that, I can't stop you. I just ren-newed my subscribtion in Jan for the next 2 years so I expect all privileges my WC subscribtion allows, so don't go messing with me in that area or it will get legal (no threat, just a fact).
I didn't write this to argue with anybody about who is right or wrong. All I'm doing is expressing my decisions and why. This place has changed some for the good, some for the bad and unfortunately recently there's been more bad. This is a great website and it's helped many people to become great artists and it has been a pioneer in skinning so there's still hope that things will change around but there's a lot of work to be done.
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buzzh58
Reply #62 Monday, March 5, 2007 8:49 PM
I knew what you meant Sydney,,and greetings from across the ditch.
Kia Ora
Reply #62 Monday, March 5, 2007 8:49 PM
I more meant the 'English' without the 'vowels'....
I knew what you meant Sydney,,and greetings from across the ditch.
Kia Ora
Bichur
Reply #63 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:00 PM
Reply #63 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:00 PM
but felt strangely compelled to also give him a 'trolling'..
Jafo
Reply #64 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:03 PM
Reply #64 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:03 PM
Then there's the joke about why Kiwi horses run so fast.....
Jafo will cross the ditch sometime....wifey's done it twice so it's not 'too' dangerous....
buzzh58
Reply #65 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:10 PM
Ah my Aussie cousin, but at least we dont tie our animals down, sport
Reply #65 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:10 PM
Then there's the joke about why Kiwi horses run so fast.
Ah my Aussie cousin, but at least we dont tie our animals down, sport
sydneysiders
Reply #67 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:32 PM
not going near that one!!.....
Reply #67 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:32 PM
dont tie our animals down, sport
not going near that one!!.....
Jafo
Reply #68 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:47 PM
Reply #68 Monday, March 5, 2007 9:47 PM
Ah my Aussie cousin, but at least we dont tie our animals down, sport
Darn....walked into THAT one....
starkers
Reply #70 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:47 AM
No, no need since you's invented wellington boots.
Reply #70 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:47 AM
but at least we dont tie our animals down, sport
No, no need since you's invented wellington boots.
Bushman
Reply #71 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 11:51 AM
Reply #71 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 11:51 AM
So I guess this is the thick of it hugh! Taking a legimate complaint and turning it into a joke. You guys, starkers, Jafo. Po' Smedley and the rest of you on this page think this is a joke, well I'm not going to say what comes to mind right now because ya'll are not worth it. So much for democray. 
ZubaZ
Reply #72 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:02 PM
You didn't complain. You had a protest. OK. Now what? What did you want to happen?
People read it . . . and then moved on to better things.
I didn't write this to argue with anybody about who is right or wrong. All I'm doing is expressing my decisions and why. This place has changed some for the good, some for the bad and unfortunately recently there's been more bad
It looks to me that some folks were changing something bad to something good; protest to humor.
Seriously, what did you want your protest to do?
Reply #72 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:02 PM
Taking a legimate complaint and turning it into a joke.
You didn't complain. You had a protest. OK. Now what? What did you want to happen?
People read it . . . and then moved on to better things.
I didn't write this to argue with anybody about who is right or wrong. All I'm doing is expressing my decisions and why. This place has changed some for the good, some for the bad and unfortunately recently there's been more bad
It looks to me that some folks were changing something bad to something good; protest to humor.
Seriously, what did you want your protest to do?
vStyler
Reply #73 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:12 PM
Reply #73 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:12 PM
Protests really are only effective when the majority are on your side.
Appears in this case they are not. I agree with both sides but honestly it's time to move on.
Appears in this case they are not. I agree with both sides but honestly it's time to move on.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #74 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:17 PM
I tried to keep it as simple so that maybe something good can come from all this but you seem to be ignoring the discussion part. Are you waiting for people to beg you not to go? That won't be happening anymore.
Seriously, I gave your initial post the respect it deserved as did Zubaz.
Are you going to join us or fight us?
Reply #74 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:17 PM
Reply • Quote (JourneyMan)Night TrainMarch 4, 2007 19:55:19Reply #22
You made your point.
(In a sincere tone) Now what?
You made your point.
(In a sincere tone) Now what?
I tried to keep it as simple so that maybe something good can come from all this but you seem to be ignoring the discussion part. Are you waiting for people to beg you not to go? That won't be happening anymore.
Seriously, I gave your initial post the respect it deserved as did Zubaz.
Are you going to join us or fight us?
seldomseen
Reply #75 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:22 PM
Yeah, but you have to be facing the edge of a cliff for the backing up...
& how do you get the hind legs of a Big Red into the boots???
oops...off-topic again. Daang! Penalty-box time
Reply #75 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 12:22 PM
wellington boots.
Yeah, but you have to be facing the edge of a cliff for the backing up...
& how do you get the hind legs of a Big Red into the boots???
oops...off-topic again. Daang! Penalty-box time
SirSmiley
Reply #77 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:43 PM
Democracy Definition
By number five in the definition I guess you're somewhat right and maybe many others share your opinion but, choose not to say or do anything...that seems more like a democracy. Legitimate complaint is right. But, you chose a protest and protests rarely are what they were originally intended to be.
Reply #77 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 1:43 PM
So I guess this is the thick of it huh! Taking a legimate complaint and turning it into a joke... So much for democra(c)y.
Democracy Definition
By number five in the definition I guess you're somewhat right and maybe many others share your opinion but, choose not to say or do anything...that seems more like a democracy. Legitimate complaint is right. But, you chose a protest and protests rarely are what they were originally intended to be.
Phoon
Reply #78 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:03 PM
We are indeed a democrayic bunch aren't we!
In a nutshell, your rant was dismissed as foolish nonsense.
It was nothing more than a childish rant no matter how you disguise it.
I think the humor is much more productive.
Now, speaking of animals, wasn't I just reading somewhere about Hen Wetting?
Reply #78 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:03 PM
So much for democray
We are indeed a democrayic bunch aren't we!
In a nutshell, your rant was dismissed as foolish nonsense.
It was nothing more than a childish rant no matter how you disguise it.
I think the humor is much more productive.
Now, speaking of animals, wasn't I just reading somewhere about Hen Wetting?
Bushman
Reply #79 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:25 PM
Reply #79 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:25 PM
You're right it is very clear to me now. So now I am asking to have anything related to me in this site to be removed/deleted what ever needs to be done and you can also refund me my subscribtion to this site minus any time I may have used ASAP.
FBOMB ALL OF YOU.
//Edited - modified explitive.
ZubaZ
Reply #80 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:30 PM
Reply #80 Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:30 PM
I don't expect you to see this bushman. But it appears you are more part of the problem than part of the solution. It's too bad that we tried to have a dialog with you (in addition to the humor) and you refused.
At leaset we know what you are made of.
At leaset we know what you are made of.
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Reply #61 Monday, March 5, 2007 8:48 PM