The Master Skins!

What are they and how you can get them!

Friday, January 19, 2007 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Master Skins. What are they?

A Master Skin is a skin made by a user with Master access or higher that is premium content. On WinCustomize.com we have access levels:

  1. Citizen
  2. Apprentice
  3. Journeyman
  4. Master

Users can rise up through those access groups based on merit -- becoming part of the skinning community and contributing to it in the form of skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, helping other users, writing articles, etc. 

Once they get to Master level, they can choose to submit a skin and ask for a price on it.  By the time they've become a master, they've probably provided a lot to the community for a considerable amount of time. This becomes a way for users to "give back" to the skinner for all the hard work they've done as well as for the skinner to be able to help support their hobby.

It also provides an incentive for up and coming skinners to create great stuff to share freely with others. By doing so, they too move up through access and can one day become a master.  Half the income generated by master skins goes to the author and the other half goes to help maintain the site. WinCustomize.com subscribers get a 20% discount on Master Skins.

Master Skin Example: Suite 18

Master skinner Adni18 has uploaded literally hundreds of skins and themes to WinCustomize.com over the past 6 years.  In that time, his skins and themes have been downloaded over 11 MILLION times.

Today, Adni submitted a suite called Suite 18. It contains a WindowBlinds skin, 4 gadgets, a wallpaper. When he submitted it, he made it a Master skin for $9.99.  If you're a subscriber, it is only ~$7.99 (though the price is only updated during the checkout phase). 

The Inevitable Debate

Master Skins are integrated into the main gallery section. You'll see a little tag by the skin if it's a Master skin.  Now some people are going to say "I shouldn't pay for skins".  I'm not one to argue what people think they should pay for.  One of my main "day job" activities is helping produce PC games. PC games make millions of dollars (GalCiv II certainly did). Are games worthy but skins aren't? I certainly don't make that distinction.  What I do know is that if the community wants to encourage long-time skinners to keep making cool stuff, then making some income to help pay for computers and software and their time seems to be a pretty worthy thing.

I also like the idea that it provides an incentive to up and coming skinners to make stuff.  Skinning is fun. It's supposed to be fun. But it can also be a lot of work too. I used to skin a lot a few years ago. But I'm not very artistic and with 3 small children, it's hard to find the time. But I applaud those who dedicate the time to share their great creations with the rest of us. And I am glad to have a way to contribute in my own way back to them.  Plus, it provides another incentive to subscribe to WinCustomize.com and help keep the site growing and running.

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ZubaZ
Reply #1 Friday, January 19, 2007 4:06 PM

Brad, I think the Master skinning program is a great fit for a market that falls between the skins produced by the professionals (like Stardock Design) that retail for more and the free stuff made by hobbyists.

You've created a market that can transition hobbyists TO professionals and by letting them set thier own prices, they can do it at thier own speed.

Very, very cool.

ZubaZ wishes he could skin    

messiah1
Reply #2 Friday, January 19, 2007 4:41 PM
I think paying a few dollars for a skin isn't so bad. Especially since you get so much free stuff from the same site. And, they ain't twisting your arm to purchase it either. If you don't want it, think it's to much or are just a cheap SOB, there are all kinds of other great, free skins to choose from. I'm with Zubaz, cool, very cool.
jlaj1989
Reply #3 Friday, January 19, 2007 4:55 PM
I think the master skin is a good idea, but i came to this site for the high quality free skins, now they cost money for the some of the good skins im a little upset.
Gregory2001
Reply #4 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:00 PM
You get what you pay for. I'd rather have more quality skins and pay for them. Thanks, Guys. Keep 'em coming!
Bebi Bulma
Reply #5 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:00 PM
For everything that the artists put into these works for most of us to just leech, I think they are more than entitled to put skins out there for purchase. More power to 'em. There is still PLENTY of high quality free stuff out there.
Frogboy
Reply #6 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:07 PM

I think the master skin is a good idea, but i came to this site for the high quality free skins, now they cost money for the some of the good skins im a little upset.

And 99% of skins are free. The existence of non-free skins doesn't take anything away from the free stuff.

Zoomba
Reply #7 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:10 PM
You're not really losing much in terms of quality free content.  Only Masters are allowed to submit their work for sale, and there aren't many of them just yet.  Most of the skinners who are putting up great skins right now are Apprentice, Master Apprentice or Journeyman.

And most of these folks are still putting out free content.  Adni has a huge library of free stuff available still.  It's not like that all suddenly went away.
Bushman
Reply #8 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:16 PM
This is a good idea and if skinners want to do this then great. I have no problem paying for a great quality skin/suite. This issue is always going to have the yea and nays until either the yea or neys win.   If a good earning market opens up with paid skins, suites icons etc.. then the yeas will win (money is hard to beat) but as long as there are skinners out there who have the time and financal resources to make free skins, then it'll be a stand off   
navigatsio
Reply #9 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:19 PM
I suppose selling skins isn't a bad idea as long as the Windowblinds section isn't innodated with premium content to the point of pushing free content to the side. I (and I assume others) skin purely for pleasure rather than for profit so if it became too commercialized, I doubt I'd have the enthusiasm to create that I do now...
Phoon
Reply #10 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:19 PM
After careful consideration, I must say I think it's a great idea as well, ONLY if it does not deter the availability of quality free skins as well.
Should I ever be deemed "worthy" of achieving Master status, I would still continue to offer free stuff too.

What I would like to see though is the ability to filter out the Master Skins when viewing the libraries.   
RadialFX
Reply #11 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:35 PM
I think it's due. The amount of work these artist put into their work is WELL worth a few dollars! Most other people in the free world make money from their labor and creativness these are no less worthy.
LittleBearJason
Reply #12 Friday, January 19, 2007 5:39 PM
I would rather pay for top notch quality then for no quality at all. Good Idea about the Master Skins! Money well spent!
cavalierex
Reply #13 Friday, January 19, 2007 6:22 PM
I never understood why people get angry about this sort of thing -- It's as if they have some sense of 'entitlement' to skins. But no one has a 'right' to have all the new things. That's the same mentality of people who pirate software.

If a skinner is having fun and just wants to share his work (for free), then that's his prerogative. When producing those high-quality, professional skins becomes laborious, time consuming, and the skinner has to sacrifice other activities to finish a project, well, that's when it shifts to become work rather than play. That project gets completed at great opportunity cost. It's only logical that a person get some compensation for his work and investment.

Relax, there will be plenty of people who will continue to skin for fun... Because they want to climb through the ranks or see their ratings soar, or just because it gives them great satisfaction.

Warmest regards to Brad, all of Stardock and skinners everywhere.
~ Alessandro (New York City)
kith
Reply #14 Friday, January 19, 2007 6:22 PM
A long overdue addition to this site, thanks WC and Stardock staff. People are buying songs by the millions at a dollar a pop... a fully skinned top quality visual style is worth much more than what is being charged here. These guys and gals deserve a little return on their investment. Let's all hope they make enough to continue skinning.
boss0190
Reply #15 Friday, January 19, 2007 6:31 PM
One less trip to Starbucks buys you a Master skin.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #16 Friday, January 19, 2007 6:42 PM
I'm with Phoon,I look forward to the day my work can be deemed worthy of Master status.I am going thru a year of chemo and dont work.Got plenty of time to work when I feel up to it.Problem is I only get 230$ a month to live on.Even a small return on my time skinning would be huge to me.
I've submitted nearly 100 items,and would still produce freebies.Plus the more I learn I see that older skins are inferior and need updating.Takes a lot of time but I cant stand to have crapola in my library.I have stuff there now thats on the bubble.  
So kudos to Stardock,Wincustomize and those Master Skinners who have given us so much and inspired so many.(me  )
Jafo
Reply #17 Friday, January 19, 2007 6:43 PM

I'm probably around 101% 'for' it.

I remember a time when skins and skinning was very much 'backyard' [to put it politely]...when no-one would even have imagined its current popularity/appeal.

The instant the first commercial skin was created [quite a few years ago now] there were screams that 'the sky is falling'.  It didn't.

As Frogboy mentioned, 'arguing about what people think they should pay for' is pretty pointless.

People can and will choose for themselves what will get their money.  Each to his own.

A Master [premium] skin is nothing more than one more example of the maturation of skinning as a pastime/vocation/industry/craft/artform, and amongst skinners themselves should be universally applauded.

The BIG 'plus' for those whose works will be posted here for purchase is Wincustomize's prominence [traffic].  That should equate to a larger customer-base than on one's own personal site somewhere, yet another example of the value of the public 'Community' site/s...

 

Asect
Reply #18 Friday, January 19, 2007 7:35 PM
I believe Master Skinning is what those of us that create and share one day wish to achieve. I know I'll support this fantastic structure and idea. Thanks for thinking it up!
Skinhit
Reply #19 Friday, January 19, 2007 7:50 PM
i think this is what anyone who does this seriously has been waiting for...great idea, great execution. masters deserve to get something back...look in adni 18's gallery and see just how much time and effort he has donated to WC...congratulations to all involved!
basj
Reply #20 Friday, January 19, 2007 8:02 PM
All I can say is...

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