First time skinning
How to put fonts on buttons and...
Tuesday, January 2, 2007 by Uvah | Discussion: Skinning
I'm trying my hand at skinning sysmetrix and rainlendar and need some help. How do I put fonts on buttons? That's one...
What is the difference between bitmap margins and text margins? That's two...What do the numbers mean after days font in rainlendar? For example...19/0/0/0/3/2/1/34...I think the first is point size. Am I right? But the other ones I have no clue. Also in sysmetrix the different graphics images...in the .ini file the graphics description...is it always on for each graphics image? I have so many questions and don't know if there's room enough. Anyway...if anyone can lend a hand I'll be most grateful.
P.S.- Does anyone know the author of the Follower smx? I'd like to request permission to use his or hers glass images for the clock and histogram. Thanks
What is the difference between bitmap margins and text margins? That's two...What do the numbers mean after days font in rainlendar? For example...19/0/0/0/3/2/1/34...I think the first is point size. Am I right? But the other ones I have no clue. Also in sysmetrix the different graphics images...in the .ini file the graphics description...is it always on for each graphics image? I have so many questions and don't know if there's room enough. Anyway...if anyone can lend a hand I'll be most grateful.
P.S.- Does anyone know the author of the Follower smx? I'd like to request permission to use his or hers glass images for the clock and histogram. Thanks
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Uvah
Reply #3 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:04 AM
Reply #3 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:04 AM
Bump bump? I dunno...have some of your skins...if the ones I'm workin' on are half as good I'll be satisfied.
Skinhit
Reply #4 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:00 AM
Reply #4 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:00 AM
Bump means I bumped your Thread up so hopefully someone who can help you, will help you...
And thanks for the compliment....lets try to bump it again.
And thanks for the compliment....lets try to bump it again.
Skinhit
Reply #5 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:12 AM
Reply #5 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:12 AM
Can anyone help here? this has been up for over a week now!
boopish
Reply #8 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:30 PM
Reply #8 Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:30 PM
Yuppers...they have a really good tutorial there.
Uvah
Reply #9 Friday, January 12, 2007 4:14 PM
Reply #9 Friday, January 12, 2007 4:14 PM
I guess my reply wasn't posted 'cause I don't see it. Anyway thanks a bunch. Visited the rainlendar site and viewed the tutorials but found no answer to my question. What I did come away with was Rainlendar 2.0 lite. It's the freebie version and I thought I'd check it out before going for the pro. What I am going to do is find one of the skins I have and play with the ini files. That'll show me what I want...I hope. I really appreciate the help and am looking forward eagerly to seeing more of your stuff and with luck...maybe see one of mine up there.
boopish
Reply #10 Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:32 AM
Reply #10 Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:32 AM
Uvah..
First of all...what buttons do you want to put a font onto?
second: Bitmap margins are the margins for bitmap scaling of your image where the text margins are how far/close to the edges of the bitmap you want your text to be.
Those numbers after the days font are: (direct quote from the manual) " fonts are defined with 13 values and the name of the font all separeted with"/"-char. The most important values are the first one which defines the height of the font and the last, which is the typeface name of the font. the height of the font is defined in logical size and NOT in point size.
eg: -17/0/0/0/700/0/0/0/0/3/2/1/34/Arial
The different values are in order:
height of font
average character width
angle of escapement
base line orientation angle
font weight
italic attribute option
underline attribute option
strikeout sttribute option
character set identifier (this is always DEFAULT-CHARSET unless UseSkinCharSet is set to 1)
output precision
clipping precision
output quality
pitch and family
typeface name
All this information and much, much more if found in the manual available for download at the Rainlendar site: http://ipi.fi/~rainy/Rainlendar/Manual.html
First of all...what buttons do you want to put a font onto?
second: Bitmap margins are the margins for bitmap scaling of your image where the text margins are how far/close to the edges of the bitmap you want your text to be.
Those numbers after the days font are: (direct quote from the manual) " fonts are defined with 13 values and the name of the font all separeted with"/"-char. The most important values are the first one which defines the height of the font and the last, which is the typeface name of the font. the height of the font is defined in logical size and NOT in point size.
eg: -17/0/0/0/700/0/0/0/0/3/2/1/34/Arial
The different values are in order:
height of font
average character width
angle of escapement
base line orientation angle
font weight
italic attribute option
underline attribute option
strikeout sttribute option
character set identifier (this is always DEFAULT-CHARSET unless UseSkinCharSet is set to 1)
output precision
clipping precision
output quality
pitch and family
typeface name
All this information and much, much more if found in the manual available for download at the Rainlendar site: http://ipi.fi/~rainy/Rainlendar/Manual.html
Uvah
Reply #11 Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM
Reply #11 Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM
Thanks Boopish...the buttons are ToDo, Event and Message Box. I had no idea it consisted of so much information. Question...base line orientation angle...can the font be set to an angle other than the norm? Example...instead of standard ninety degrees left to right...can it be set to say forty five degrees bottom left to top right or vice versa? Getting curious now. The logical size... is that or can it be defined by the number of pixels in the image. If I have a box 17 pixels high and ten wide the logical size could be 15 with one pixel top and bottom? At any rate...I'm close to finishing the wall and hope to upload a screenshot within the next few weeks. I can't wait for you guys to see it. Thank you so much for all your help.
boopish
Reply #12 Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:48 PM
Reply #12 Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:48 PM
Uvah..you're welcome. You put the fonts onto the buttons when you make them...or you can add a design. Open up a few of the skins to get the idea (just go into your Rainy directory, open up a skin and have a look at the images.)
I have no idea about the angles..hehehe...I just concentrate on the font name and size, myself.
I have no idea about the angles..hehehe...I just concentrate on the font name and size, myself.
Uvah
Reply #13 Friday, January 26, 2007 3:23 AM
Reply #13 Friday, January 26, 2007 3:23 AM
Thanks Boopish. This skinning thing has got me good. My wall is nearly finished. One thing that might be a problem is I think my smx is a bit large. Takes one (or nearly) third of my desktop. When the screenshot is ready I'll let the experts judge for themselves. Happy skinning 
Fairyy~
Reply #14 Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:22 AM
I'm a bit confused on the Rainlendar 2.0 myself - it has no ini file and doesn't appear skinnable at this point. I really haven't looked at it in depth at the moment. But I noticed when I installed the 2.0 version all my previous skins didn't work anymore. I uninstalled the 2,0 and put back the previous version. I notice the Rainy site lists the previous version right along with 2.0 . Am I wrong in thinking the 2.0 is not skinnable ? Or are they trying to get me to buy the Pro version ? Which is no problem if thats where the secrets lie .......
Reply #14 Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:22 AM
| Visited the rainlendar site and viewed the tutorials but found no answer to my question. What I did come away with was Rainlendar 2.0 lite. |
I'm a bit confused on the Rainlendar 2.0 myself - it has no ini file and doesn't appear skinnable at this point. I really haven't looked at it in depth at the moment. But I noticed when I installed the 2.0 version all my previous skins didn't work anymore. I uninstalled the 2,0 and put back the previous version. I notice the Rainy site lists the previous version right along with 2.0 . Am I wrong in thinking the 2.0 is not skinnable ? Or are they trying to get me to buy the Pro version ? Which is no problem if thats where the secrets lie .......
Uvah
Reply #15 Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:35 PM
Reply #15 Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:35 PM
The new rainlendar is somewhat different. I haven't gone in depth to it yet but I believe it deals not with ini files but with html's. How this is different has yet to be discovered. The lite version doesn't seem to have all of the same capabilities as the pro version though. The main difference there I believe is of course the "free" version and the pro comes with all the bells and whistles. The one thing I did do is to keep the old and have 2.0 installed as a separate app. The new one will take some getting used to. Before you buy it they'll allow a trial period. Do that and compare.
Uvah
Reply #16 Monday, January 29, 2007 3:35 AM
Reply #16 Monday, January 29, 2007 3:35 AM
Correction to my last post. Went into rainlendar 2.0 and did a little digging. It has a new file extension....r2skin...a renamed zip...There's one skin, shadow4, I unzipped it and got the following. Three folders (images, scripts and docs), the images folder has the skin components, buttons todo items etc., the scripts folder is empty and inside the docs folder is twelve xml's, not html's like I stated earlier...duh...They are...Alarm, calendar,digiclock,dual calendar,elements, eventlist, languages, sidebar,
todolist, tooltip,vertical calendar and year calendar. A bit more complex than a simple ini. They'll open with your browser and there is a skin xml along with the three folders. This one I think is like the ini. You'll have to open that one as an explanation would take too long. Suffice it to say that it is very different. There is a lot more to it than a regular ini has. Mine is the lite version...I can only imagine what the pro looks like.
todolist, tooltip,vertical calendar and year calendar. A bit more complex than a simple ini. They'll open with your browser and there is a skin xml along with the three folders. This one I think is like the ini. You'll have to open that one as an explanation would take too long. Suffice it to say that it is very different. There is a lot more to it than a regular ini has. Mine is the lite version...I can only imagine what the pro looks like.
Fairyy~
Reply #17 Monday, January 29, 2007 3:48 AM
Yeah, I'd already unzipped one of the rainies when I had the 2.0 installed. Thats why I said it looked unskinnable at the moment. Looks just way too complicated to bother with.
Reply #17 Monday, January 29, 2007 3:48 AM
| .r2skin...a renamed zip. |
Yeah, I'd already unzipped one of the rainies when I had the 2.0 installed. Thats why I said it looked unskinnable at the moment. Looks just way too complicated to bother with.
MySecret
Reply #18 Monday, January 29, 2007 7:46 PM
Had the same happen to me but I waited a month reinstalled Rainy 2 and now all the skins work perfectly, even ones from 2001
It's My Secret
Reply #18 Monday, January 29, 2007 7:46 PM
Fairyy~ But I noticed when I installed the 2.0 version all my previous skins didn't work anymore |
Had the same happen to me but I waited a month reinstalled Rainy 2 and now all the skins work perfectly, even ones from 2001
It's My Secret
Fairyy~
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:21 AM
How did you do the install? Did you install separately or over old version and let it import the old skins and info?
I moved my skins last time because I was afraid of losing work I was saving - then transferred it back.
Im curious if letting it import previous skins made a difference or if they fixed something else.
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:21 AM
| My Secret:Had the same happen to me but I waited a month reinstalled Rainy 2 and now all the skins work perfectly, even ones from 2001 |
How did you do the install? Did you install separately or over old version and let it import the old skins and info?
I moved my skins last time because I was afraid of losing work I was saving - then transferred it back.
Im curious if letting it import previous skins made a difference or if they fixed something else.
Uvah
Reply #20 Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:39 AM
Reply #20 Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:39 AM
The install package is similar to the old version. I simply clicked on it and it installed automatically. Had no need to do it over the original as it is a separate install. In other words it does not overwrite the old one. Keep the old and just install as you normally would. You should have them both...I do. I didn't import any skins as yet. Don't know if they'll work. I just called up Rainlendar2 and now have both on desktop. How do you import skins from old one?
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Reply #1 Monday, January 8, 2007 1:20 AM