Where have all the decent skinners and skins gone?
Sunday, July 9, 2006 by Matches_Malone | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
First I would like to say this. I'm proud to be a paid subscriber to Stardock and virtually all of it's products even bought some as gifts too family members.
While scrolling the windowblinds section I've seen some ridiculous skins even some by those whose been skinning for awhile. Like i.e. 'Happy Fish c'mon. I think wincustomize is losing it's flair when it comes to high-defintion not too mention quality skins. And us loyal customers has to go elsewhere to find some good skins, like Flux by josephs, before that skin was uploaded here it was on of course on other sites first even though he stated that for his art award.
What happened Tiggz, Mike Brandt, and a host of others, the real skinners who dedicate their entire being, and lots of man hours, not to say those who make general skins don't but not like the professionals that puts true dedication to put forth a high-quality skin and not just downloading skinstudio and putting some bars together.
Please weed out those ridiculous skins, put wincustomize back on the map. I think it should be a skin-law the weeds out the good from the bad skins.
Bad-skin: defined as, too many bugs and have to keep uploading the skin
Good-skin: defined as, not as many bugs and upload twice for update
High-quality-skin: defined as, no bugs every part of the skin is skinned w/periodic updates to add more new tweaks if users ask.
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While scrolling the windowblinds section I've seen some ridiculous skins even some by those whose been skinning for awhile. Like i.e. 'Happy Fish c'mon. I think wincustomize is losing it's flair when it comes to high-defintion not too mention quality skins. And us loyal customers has to go elsewhere to find some good skins, like Flux by josephs, before that skin was uploaded here it was on of course on other sites first even though he stated that for his art award.
What happened Tiggz, Mike Brandt, and a host of others, the real skinners who dedicate their entire being, and lots of man hours, not to say those who make general skins don't but not like the professionals that puts true dedication to put forth a high-quality skin and not just downloading skinstudio and putting some bars together.
Please weed out those ridiculous skins, put wincustomize back on the map. I think it should be a skin-law the weeds out the good from the bad skins.
Bad-skin: defined as, too many bugs and have to keep uploading the skin
Good-skin: defined as, not as many bugs and upload twice for update
High-quality-skin: defined as, no bugs every part of the skin is skinned w/periodic updates to add more new tweaks if users ask.
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suniart
Reply #82 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:11 PM
Reply #82 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:11 PM
I'm making my response pretty simple. In my opinion, Wincustomize is a site that gives you a nice view of the skinning world. Rather than insulting those who aren't good, I would think that the skins here, no matter how they look, inspires you to try it out yourself. Making these things isn't just what you call a walk in the park. You have to put some effort into it. It isn't right to put down those who made a great effort WHEN YOU DIDN'T. IT'S NOT RIGHT!!! 
WOM
Reply #83 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:38 PM
Reply #83 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:38 PM
Can't believe this thread is still getting this much play.
KiloKrash
Reply #84 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:04 PM
Granted, you've been a member longer than I have, but how many damn skins do you need. I have over 100 WB skins downloaded and I haven't even used 1/4 of them.
Hey, why don't you go to the local store, buy a box of tissues, and cry me a F*****G River...You Never Needed A WinCustomize SubScription to Download Anything WC Offers.
WinCustomize makes no...NO PROFIT! Actually, according to DrNick and CerebroJD from UnderTheSkin, WC looses about 300k a year.
It's neanderthal's like you that reap what you sew. I know of an up-and-coming artist who no longer loads his work to WC, just because of comments from people like you.
If you don't like what WC has to offer than leave. Do you actually believe publicly displaying your hatred towards skins, Skinners will simply become motivated to upload or continue to upload here?
You know, from all this me me me talk, I would have thought you were a U.S. citizen...I would never have thought you were Canadian.
Reply #84 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:04 PM
| Ever since I started paying Wincustomize, I have seen nothing but garbage on here! |
Granted, you've been a member longer than I have, but how many damn skins do you need. I have over 100 WB skins downloaded and I haven't even used 1/4 of them.
| Also, I am paying to use this and to be able to download skins, but there is limited skins to download I am not paying for this crap! |
Hey, why don't you go to the local store, buy a box of tissues, and cry me a F*****G River...You Never Needed A WinCustomize SubScription to Download Anything WC Offers.
| Someone is getting rich of this Wincustomize site. |
WinCustomize makes no...NO PROFIT! Actually, according to DrNick and CerebroJD from UnderTheSkin, WC looses about 300k a year.
It's neanderthal's like you that reap what you sew. I know of an up-and-coming artist who no longer loads his work to WC, just because of comments from people like you.
If you don't like what WC has to offer than leave. Do you actually believe publicly displaying your hatred towards skins, Skinners will simply become motivated to upload or continue to upload here?
You know, from all this me me me talk, I would have thought you were a U.S. citizen...I would never have thought you were Canadian.
KiloKrash
Reply #85 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:13 PM
WOM, I can't believe people are actually saying WinCustomize has horrible skins, or bitching about the subscription. Every skin can't be perfect. Also, I'm a student, I have to pay my own way (no grants, no mommy or daddy). Even I can afford the $20 a YEAR subscription to WC. So what's the problem...everyone nowadays feel like they deserve everything in life for free. The only reason I even purchased a WC subscription, was an attempt to support WC in it's continuing effort to bring the user great skins for the software Stardock provides...period.
Reply #85 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:13 PM
| Can't believe this thread is still getting this much play. |
WOM, I can't believe people are actually saying WinCustomize has horrible skins, or bitching about the subscription. Every skin can't be perfect. Also, I'm a student, I have to pay my own way (no grants, no mommy or daddy). Even I can afford the $20 a YEAR subscription to WC. So what's the problem...everyone nowadays feel like they deserve everything in life for free. The only reason I even purchased a WC subscription, was an attempt to support WC in it's continuing effort to bring the user great skins for the software Stardock provides...period.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #86 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:29 PM
Reply #86 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:29 PM
| I recently seen in a screenshot that 'Diafragma uploaded and I have to say in my opinion that that was the ultimate, if someone can tackle that and make something similar. That would definitely set a whole new standard and way that skins are made here, and especially to those a like bright flashy colors also. ...whispering 'a little bug in the hereee...' -fading out'. |
I know which one you are talking about and just hang in there. Someone (oopsy 
) might just be working on one as you speak. 
Matches_Malone
Reply #87 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:36 PM
Reply #87 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:36 PM
Now NightTrain, that's what I'm talking about! and you are definitely one of the greats that's still here. Scion as well, that was a perfect statement you made, and true. I anticipate just about everything you put out, because you both produce badass skins, only but a handful does in my opinion, and those works gets plenty of airtime, on my home and office systems.
When customers visit my office, or I have get-togethers in my home, especially in my home and they come down to my 'LAIR, I would expect them to see my elaborate gallery first, my tall manikins with my bat-suits I made displayed on it, and others. But the first thing they notice is my 19'inch screen flat-panel, and the gadgetry over at my work-station, the first thing they notice is really how my desktop is set-up, then my gallery
First they say is 'Wow, which os you run? I reply 'Just winxp, 'How do you get your os to look like that, my reply 'Windowblinds. So now people who I know that has computers, are now rolling over to this site, and purchasing w.b., and downloading skins, and call me up and be like 'Man, did you see so and so skin, etc. So now, I have to keep my desktop updated and fresh to stay ahead of the Jones, and I absolutley love it.
So, because of simple word-of-mouth, which is to me one of the best forms of advertising, keeps wincustomize growing on my part. Loyal fan here-
When customers visit my office, or I have get-togethers in my home, especially in my home and they come down to my 'LAIR, I would expect them to see my elaborate gallery first, my tall manikins with my bat-suits I made displayed on it, and others. But the first thing they notice is my 19'inch screen flat-panel, and the gadgetry over at my work-station, the first thing they notice is really how my desktop is set-up, then my gallery
First they say is 'Wow, which os you run? I reply 'Just winxp, 'How do you get your os to look like that, my reply 'Windowblinds. So now people who I know that has computers, are now rolling over to this site, and purchasing w.b., and downloading skins, and call me up and be like 'Man, did you see so and so skin, etc. So now, I have to keep my desktop updated and fresh to stay ahead of the Jones, and I absolutley love it.
So, because of simple word-of-mouth, which is to me one of the best forms of advertising, keeps wincustomize growing on my part. Loyal fan here-
Bichur
Reply #88 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:48 PM
Reply #88 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:48 PM
No lynching? 
crap.
I was up for a good lynching. Needed to get outta my stump and work out some kinks from last Troll Thumping Day.
Oh well...
wait.... how 'bout ejf...lynch?
Ramesese, you gotta remember, it's not always what you intended to write...but what was read.
You've been here long enough to have seen the other posts like this that were written and how well received they were (mainly because of the way they were written).
If you try it again... I suggest you 1st mail it to Jafo and let him proof read it.
crap.
I was up for a good lynching. Needed to get outta my stump and work out some kinks from last Troll Thumping Day.
Oh well...
wait.... how 'bout ejf...lynch?
Ramesese, you gotta remember, it's not always what you intended to write...but what was read.
You've been here long enough to have seen the other posts like this that were written and how well received they were (mainly because of the way they were written).
If you try it again... I suggest you 1st mail it to Jafo and let him proof read it.
Skinhit
Reply #89 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:06 PM
Reply #89 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:06 PM
bichur...i wasnt just trying to calm things down a little, but im definitely on board for the eltonjohnfan lynch, he's a putz! hes a putz, oops i already said that
ZubaZ
Reply #90 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:13 PM
I'm in. Anyone seen my good thumping stick?
Reply #90 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:13 PM
| im definitely on board for the eltonjohnfan lynch |
I'm in. Anyone seen my good thumping stick?
Bichur
Reply #91 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:39 PM
If you can't find it, check with Po'. I'm pretty sure he's got some extras.
Reply #91 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:39 PM
| Anyone seen my good thumping stick? |
If you can't find it, check with Po'. I'm pretty sure he's got some extras.
MindlessPuppet
Reply #92 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:21 PM
Reply #92 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:21 PM
Here's the thing, I don't completely disagree with original post. I'd have to agree that skinning has seemed to lost a certain flair, and polished edge that it once had. However, thing is, long ago, when customizing was younger, it was also easier. There was less to skin. Skinning is way too large of a time investment anymore for your average hobbiest. So the bulk of works seem to come from people who make their living from customizing, or from people who are new to the community.
I, myself, have 4 IconPackages completely mapped out. Some are drawn and need colored, etc etc. And I dabble if I ever find time, but fact is they've been merely collecting dust for like 2 years now. Before when it only took a night or two to complete and entire skin, it was fun. However now the programs, and community are more demanding, so more time needs to be invested. And when you're working an awful job for $6 an hour 40+ hours a week it's hard to find any motivation to make anything...
Though you know... my skins were always kind of ridiculous... so yeah... my place in this matter is probably pretty moot.
I, myself, have 4 IconPackages completely mapped out. Some are drawn and need colored, etc etc. And I dabble if I ever find time, but fact is they've been merely collecting dust for like 2 years now. Before when it only took a night or two to complete and entire skin, it was fun. However now the programs, and community are more demanding, so more time needs to be invested. And when you're working an awful job for $6 an hour 40+ hours a week it's hard to find any motivation to make anything...
Though you know... my skins were always kind of ridiculous... so yeah... my place in this matter is probably pretty moot.
Sea Hourse
Reply #93 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:42 PM
Reply #93 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:42 PM
This is more fun than reading the comments that follow each news article on Yahoo. 
I'll confess to being someone who gets tired of all the dark and gloomy skins. It's nice to see a colorful and cheerful one now and then. And as far as sternengalaxy goes, I have 4 of his skins which ties him with one other person as having the most WBs on my computer. Different strokes for different folks.
A friend of mine nearly 35 years ago in a momment of drug induced awareness of a universal truth said the following words which I still believe in today:
If you can't dig it, f*ck it.
If you can't f*ck it, go to your rooom.
I'll confess to being someone who gets tired of all the dark and gloomy skins. It's nice to see a colorful and cheerful one now and then. And as far as sternengalaxy goes, I have 4 of his skins which ties him with one other person as having the most WBs on my computer. Different strokes for different folks.
A friend of mine nearly 35 years ago in a momment of drug induced awareness of a universal truth said the following words which I still believe in today:
If you can't dig it, f*ck it.
If you can't f*ck it, go to your rooom.
Xenon101
Reply #94 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:29 AM
Reply #94 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:29 AM
Im not saying Im great, but I hav got a whole lot better that the last time I was here:
HeirOfSlytherin
Reply #96 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:57 AM
Reply #96 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:57 AM
At the time i decided to try my hand at skinning for Windowblinds, i had little refference on how to creat a skin except for the help of other skinners who have been doing this for some time and a little brain power. The low quallity skins you refer to are probably beginners like me. SkinStudio is an overwellming program to get used to when you don't have instructions, and sometimes i need instructions. The big time quallity skinners have moved on to bigger and better things. So give us begginers a break. In time we will give you the quallity skins you are looking for. 
CerebroJD
Reply #97 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:18 AM
Reply #97 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:18 AM
Bmaker... Please consider how
you are phrasing things. I dont think the amount of excellent skins
has gone down... I think the proportion of them has gone down due to
the amount of 'new' skinners taking things into their own hands. I
think its great that there are alot of new submissions, but alas, I
agree with the low vision of quality amonst them. So yes, the average
may be lower, but its worth it to find the new gems by authors like
Josephs. I think that you
need to make the effort to find the good stuff, not just expect it to
float to your doorstep. Remember, if you dont like it here... you are
free to 'move along' if nothing else...
Oh, for the record, I'm Canadian, and I suspect if you keep up your method of provocation, you'll find that it doesnt get you very far. I find your comment rude and distasteful.
Oh, for the record, I'm Canadian, and I suspect if you keep up your method of provocation, you'll find that it doesnt get you very far. I find your comment rude and distasteful.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #98 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:23 AM
Reply #98 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:23 AM
#96 by Bmaker
Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:52 AM
This post has been deleted. Bmaker your reference to New York was uncalled for and would cause offence to a great many people.
Lets keep this board civilised.
Erk.
Reply #99 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:52 AM
Reply #99 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:52 AM
Thanks Fuzzy.
...I sat here and typed a long response to that comment ...none of it was nice, and I [luckily] thought twice about posting it. Glad you got rid of it.
WebGizmos
Reply #100 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:52 AM
Reply #100 Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:52 AM
Ditto Eric! I wrote several responses to that dribble which I deleted. I had to take a walk before I posted it. Even now my blood is boiling! This thread needs to be locked!
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Reply #81 Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:03 PM
enjoy yourself bitches, its a celebration!!!!