ScreenShots
Thursday, April 6, 2006 by WOM | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Seems people think I don't like ScreenShots. Thats not true. I've commented on a bunch and have featured some. Just excapes me how people have all that time to upload a couple a day. Seems to me if they change their desktop that often, they must not have liked what was there. If thats the case why upload it? But nothing I or anyone else can say will change anyones mind on this subject.
I do have 1 request that seems fair. When you upload a screenshot, how about giving the names of the skins/walls used so people can download them if they like some of the skins that was used. I see every screenshot thats uploaded and at times I like some of what I see and would like to download it but can't as the discription is blank. If your going to showcase someone elses work at least give them props.
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Reply #22 Monday, April 10, 2006 2:19 PM
| If someone with the experience and the programs wants a wall...no matter how "covered up it is..they can get it... |
If a person wants to hotwire a car and drive off, that's thier business.
Just because they can is not justification to hand out "master" keys encouraging that behavior.
Let the screenshot poster add a link to the wall . . . problem solved.
The artists should be able to control distribution of their product.
Reply #23 Monday, April 10, 2006 7:02 PM
| Let the screenshot poster add a link to the wall . . . problem solved. |
The link to the author does NOT give the owner of the wall control over the screenshot or its subsequent distribution via extraction from that screenshot.
It is thus a copyright issue. Fair Use would demand that it were 'reasonably' obscured to make extraction 'difficult' in EXACTLY the same way that an icon or WB skin extraction would be 'difficult'.
The issue with walls is that quite often in screenshots they are almost entirely unobscured [uploader calls it 'clean'....we call it unacceptably easy to extract].
Some are nothing more than a simple cropping of a taskbar and resize to suit normal screen res....a 10 second task....
Reply #24 Monday, April 10, 2006 10:07 PM
| The link to the author does NOT give the owner of the wall control over the screenshot or its subsequent distribution via extraction from that screenshot. |
I did not mean to imply that linking to the wall removed the requierment to obscure the wall. Only that the screen shot compositor could avoid the near occasion of sin and tempation to extract the wall by just linking to the original. No control given or lost.
Reply #26 Monday, June 26, 2006 3:29 PM
Reply #28 Monday, June 26, 2006 8:48 PM
| I did not mean to imply that linking to the wall removed the requierment to obscure the wall. Only that the screen shot compositor could avoid the near occasion of sin and tempation to extract the wall by just linking to the original. No control given or lost. |
The unobscured use of a wall image in a screenshot is itself an uncontrolled distribution of the wall.
Linking to a source is irrelevant.
The difference between the two forms of 'distribution' is that IF the author so wishes, by deleting the 'source' he also nullifies the link thus controlling BOTH.
However, he has no direct control over the screenshot with the unobscured wall therein.
THAT becomes the issue of distribution 'control', hence our request that the wall at least be made fairly 'difficult' to remove/extract.
A desktop screenshot should be just that, anyway, not some blank unobstructed picture of a wall....
Reply #29 Monday, June 26, 2006 10:37 PM
I am in the minority, I guess
It takes me soooooo long to come up with a desktop I like... And to like enough for others to see it..... I really don't understand how submitters are able to submit more than one screenshot per day or even week 
I guess I need to go to screenshot school... hum... 
so I can be a BIG submitter too! 
Reply #30 Monday, June 26, 2006 11:14 PM
| Seems to me if they change their desktop that often, they must not have liked what was there. If thats the case why upload it? |
It's not that I don't like my desktop, I just like to use many different skins to achieve something unique.
Still, I really don't see why everyone is so irritated about SS. If the Mod's (who I believe is Jafo, WOM, Fuzzy Logic in this post) don't like the SS then don't let it get loaded. Besides, I'm pretty much a noob to WC, but I have not seen any restrictions as to loading SS besides the guidelines. It REALLY angers me when I see a post by moderators basical flaming someone elses creation. Yes, I know most didn't create the actual WP or skins, but if someone were to come and Post some flame about skinners, well I don't think everyone would take to well to that. All I'm saying, is that I am getting extremely discouraged about my uploads now. You know, I paid up just like everyone else, and if there were rules about how many times I could upload in a day I would follow them, but there isn't. If the moderators feel that there needs to be a revision to policy they should state it, not try to discourage people about how many times to upload. Your personal views are yours, you don't have to make other people feel insecure about something they get enjoyment out of.
Reply #31 Monday, June 26, 2006 11:39 PM
Reply #32 Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:58 AM
| Just because we don't like something doesn't mean we can kill it. Thats not how it works. |
Oh, I did not know that. Well anyway, I'll try to not load so many in such a short period of time from now on. Even though people want to see all of the Widgets and Gadgets, I really just appreciate a nice clean desktop. That's why I have loaded to many with everything open or showing in an expanded view. I guess I'll try to work on that. Also, to follow up on that not letting the SS to load comment, I just thought you guys (Mod's) had the power to do that. Thanks for clearing that up WOM
Reply #33 Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:26 AM
I love looking at the screen shots because they show the many different ways that people can take some of the same items and build upon them to possible make something larger in impact and beauty than the original. I know that really pisses some skinners off but that's the way it is. None of this is a put down on either the people who build the original skins or the works themselves. It is just a recognition that by releasing something you have given up control over how it will be used.
Ultimately each person on this site can choose whether or not they want to look at any item. It's like watching TV. Don't like a channel? Than just change it and don't go there again. Either content is open for all or no one. The days of restricting who gets what and how it will be used are gone for better or worse.
Reply #34 Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:59 AM
| It is just a recognition that by releasing something you have given up control over how it will be used. |
A person's work may be publicly accessible to all and sundry but no LEGAL control is 'given up' at all.
Copyright Law [within the countries who are signatories to the Berne Treaty] still limits how that work can be used/distributed/reproduced.
For that reason there ARE 'bouncers at the door'. People who blatantly fail to respect property rights can be [and have been] summarily 'bounced'.
It's all about 'appreciating the work that goes in them'.
To that end, it's really only fitting to acknowledge those whose works you display in your screenshots....
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Reply #21 Monday, April 10, 2006 2:02 PM
It isnt real difficult to "lift" images off of walls suchs as "Sys's" "Rainy's" "Start Menus" etc''etc with todays graffix programs, or simply "remove" them..
I guess my question is...does it really matter that much how "obscured" it is?
If someone with the experience and the programs wants a wall...no matter how "covered up it is..they can get it...