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Why Flame Wars Get Started
Because we understand less than we think we do
Monday, February 13, 2006 by ZubaZ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Wired has an article (referencing a study I can't justify paying for) that indicates that one only has a 50/50 chance of getting the tone of a messsage but most folks think they get it 90% of the time.
It's not a surprise that textual communication doesn't convey the feelings we think it would . .. but I am surprised at how high the percentage of error is.
For the record, read my posts with sarcasm.
It's not a surprise that textual communication doesn't convey the feelings we think it would . .. but I am surprised at how high the percentage of error is.
For the record, read my posts with sarcasm.
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NightTrainthedark
Reply #2 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:02 AM
Reply #2 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:02 AM
Try doing business with email. You will quickly learn how important tone is.
ZubaZ
Reply #4 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:08 AM
Reply #4 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:08 AM
Bichurz . . I am tired of you always sticking your nose where it doesn't belong!
When I want you to reply ot a post, I'll address you by name! Until then butt out.
Otherwise, how are you? What's new?
{ZubaZ tries new tones. Mixes it up a little}
When I want you to reply ot a post, I'll address you by name! Until then butt out.
Otherwise, how are you? What's new?
{ZubaZ tries new tones. Mixes it up a little}
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #5 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:34 AM
Reply #5 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:34 AM
I'm always clear and understand everything, except for the times when I'm not and don't. At those times, I will typically pet my fish (which is a reality and not anything symbolic) and discuss with them the conceptual continuity of those who have gone before versus the inbreeding of those who could not possibly understand my point of view (just kidding).
I also have a circle of friends (which is symbolic of "group of comrades", as opposed to people standing in a circle participating in any one of a number of questionable activities) where we discuss problems associated with mis-communications, especially in the workplace. Production meetings become "Let's get on the same page" meetings (which is to say "let's find common ground {which is to say "let's agree on our plan and the interpretation of terms used}"). My job becomes one of interpretor between people who all speak the same language.
When all is said and done, there is more said than done.
...and the second biggest cause for disputes in the world or in a marriage is a lack of communication and misunderstandings of intent. This I believe.
I also have a circle of friends (which is symbolic of "group of comrades", as opposed to people standing in a circle participating in any one of a number of questionable activities) where we discuss problems associated with mis-communications, especially in the workplace. Production meetings become "Let's get on the same page" meetings (which is to say "let's find common ground {which is to say "let's agree on our plan and the interpretation of terms used}"). My job becomes one of interpretor between people who all speak the same language.
When all is said and done, there is more said than done.
...and the second biggest cause for disputes in the world or in a marriage is a lack of communication and misunderstandings of intent. This I believe.
AtlanticCanadianScot
Reply #6 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM
Reply #6 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM
a timely article Aaron....that's why emoticons are so very helpful to add context in Forums & Articles...definitely an article for the times we are living in w regard to text messaging, e-mail, even v-mail or for that matter day to day communications eye ball to eye ball as Billy Bob mentioned
ZubaZ
Reply #7 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:44 AM
SD, You should submit the above essay to NPR's "This I believe": http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4538138
{sarcasm}I'm sure they's air it.{/sarcasm}
I believe that today is a good day http://www.klenkefamily.net/blog/2005/04/today-is-good-day.htm
Reply #7 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:44 AM
| This I believe. |
SD, You should submit the above essay to NPR's "This I believe": http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4538138
{sarcasm}I'm sure they's air it.{/sarcasm}
I believe that today is a good day http://www.klenkefamily.net/blog/2005/04/today-is-good-day.htm
Double Zero
Reply #8 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:50 AM
I thought I should point out, in every circle like that there are almost always jerks, thats why they call them "Circle Jerks" right??
Reply #8 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:50 AM
| I also have a circle of friends |
I thought I should point out, in every circle like that there are almost always jerks, thats why they call them "Circle Jerks" right??
ZubaZ
Reply #9 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:54 AM
Reply #9 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:54 AM
Ummm. . . Circle jerk must mean something different for you than where I am from.
It's a different kind of friend than what I usually hang out with; especially at workplace.
It's a different kind of friend than what I usually hang out with; especially at workplace.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #10 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:59 AM
Reply #10 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:59 AM
...which is why I clarified. 
| I also have a circle of friends (which is symbolic of "group of comrades", as opposed to people standing in a circle participating in any one of a number of questionable activities) |
Double Zero
Reply #11 Monday, February 13, 2006 1:30 PM
Reply #11 Monday, February 13, 2006 1:30 PM
LoL! SD, Just couldnt resist, even after your clarification (actually what prompted it)
I use the term often at work to get guys moving instead of standing around shootin the ______ especially when I need something done ASAP!...
I use the term often at work to get guys moving instead of standing around shootin the ______ especially when I need something done ASAP!...
Jafo
Reply #12 Monday, February 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Reply #12 Monday, February 13, 2006 6:43 PM
Not all flamewars are started through poor communication.
A significant proportion are the malicious intent of one person to score points at another's expense....through snide or derisive put-down/criticism.
That's how it starts....
What propagates it is the injured-party's inability to either ignore it or respond in such a way as to totally deflate/disarm the issue.
Ultimately it takes two to tangle....
ZubaZ
Reply #13 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:14 PM
It only takes one if they use a Mac and a PC.
Reply #13 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:14 PM
| Ultimately it takes two to tangle.... |
It only takes one if they use a Mac and a PC.
AtlanticCanadianScot
Reply #14 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:47 PM
Well summed up Jafo....overlooked that aspect....yeah, there are those whose day isn't complete until they have rained on some poor innocent's parade & 'dissed them just for sport...there are a few bent, bitter & twisted amoungst us
Reply #14 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:47 PM
| Not all flamewars are started through poor communication |
| A significant proportion are the malicious intent of one person to score points at another's expense....through snide or derisive put-down/criticism |
Well summed up Jafo....overlooked that aspect....yeah, there are those whose day isn't complete until they have rained on some poor innocent's parade & 'dissed them just for sport...there are a few bent, bitter & twisted amoungst us
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #15 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:35 PM
Yes, I believe the first biggest reason is the ego of mankind.
Reply #15 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:35 PM
| and the second biggest cause for disputes in the world or in a marriage is a lack of communication and misunderstandings of intent |
| A significant proportion are the malicious intent of one person to score points at another's expense....through snide or derisive put-down/criticism |
Yes, I believe the first biggest reason is the ego of mankind.
aimzzz
Reply #16 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:45 PM
I agree-- ego & pride.
The 2nd leading cause of flame wars: Dragons exhale...
Reply #16 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:45 PM
| I believe the first biggest reason is the ego of mankind. |
I agree-- ego & pride.
The 2nd leading cause of flame wars: Dragons exhale...
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #17 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:52 PM
*looks for mouthwash*
Reply #17 Monday, February 13, 2006 8:52 PM
| The 2nd leading cause of flame wars: Dragons exhale... |
*looks for mouthwash*
aimzzz
Reply #18 Monday, February 13, 2006 9:00 PM
Of course only the Dragon would know the true cause on a given occasion...
Reply #18 Monday, February 13, 2006 9:00 PM
| ...unless it was a sneeze |
Of course only the Dragon would know the true cause on a given occasion...
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Reply #1 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:02 AM