WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Monday, October 31, 2005 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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Kevison
Reply #141 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:46 AM
Sure, and what I meant by that was in buying a renewal to Objectdesktop I should be entitled to good skins for a year.


I have both ODntwork and WC. WHen I bought ODn it was with the assumption I bought software that could make my desktop look better and function the way I want it too. However it did NOT entitle me to skins I didnt make other than the ones that were free or easily gotten. Not to sound harsh, but I think you need to re-read Stardocks ads on their products. You get a little to show you what you can do with the application, however there is no promise that there will be additional skins for your use. This depends upon the good will and designers who make the skins. Which I might add, are just wonderful. I am still trying to learn how to make these.
I develop software, I create applications that do a wide variety of things. If I make a UI that allows you monitor your bank account it doesnt automatically mean you get to use any banks service for free. You would have to pay to use that service but at least you would have a nice UI to do it with. thats my point ...
Anyways... just my 2 cents worth.
theroot
Reply #142 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:17 AM
A little confused here. First, seems like a good plan and I am only too happy to support this great site.
I have been a long time user of ObjDesktop and various Statrdock programs. I guess that made me a limited user, so to speak. Yesterday, I signed up for a Wincustomize account for $19.95. Was that the Platinum account? If so, fine, but the whole process is very murkey as to what type account you are paying for. Why? First of all the account is managed by Stardock, not Wincustomize. It is very confusing since I have one PW for Stardock and another for the Stardock store. Hard to know which one to use, and it must surely put off some people. To make it even more confusing, when I log onto Wincustomize now, I still have my old Nick and PW and when I try to access the private areas, I am told I don't have the right priveleges. When I use the WC Browser, I still get logged in with my old nick.

I am not complaining. I bring this up because if it confuses me, it must also confuse others. Would it be possible to get ONE password for Stardock and all it's area's? Also when subscribing to Wincustomize, a new Nick and PW could be in order?

Right now, I can't seem to find access to the private skins. nor do I see how to download the two free ones I am supposed to be in line for. I don't really care about free skins so much as I just want to know if I am doing something wrong or what?

Great site, great people, exceptional talent in the skinners, and for the most part very user friendly. I just need a little guidance I guess.

Thanks from root.
Sembetu
Reply #143 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:37 AM
Sure, and what I meant by that was in buying a renewal to Objectdesktop I should be entitled to good skins for a year.


//fictional editorial to make a point...

//I recently bought a cell phone. It has the ability for me to change the cover, and it even came with a few for my immediate use. When I was leaving the store, I noticed a merchandise rack with tons of covers for my phone model. Since the covers were out in the open, I decided to take a couple out of the store as I was leaving. I was suprised when the alarm went off, and a "loss prevention" clerk came up to me and informed me that I was shoplifting. Of course, I immediately replied, "I bought this phone which can be customized, I should have the right to as many covers as I can get... for free!". I have never heard such laughter. After spending an evening in the county jail for shoplifting, I finally came to my senses and realized that although I had purchased the phone, I had not purchased the additional covers, so they did not belong to me. I later returned to the store where I bought my phone and I did purchase some additional covers, and now I am happy with my sparkling new customizeable cell phone!

Sembetu
Doreen
Reply #144 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:50 AM
Cute lil analogy Sembetu but did the store manufacture all those cute covers you're talking about or did some of the customers?

You see most the skins that are uploaded here were given as a "gift" to share w/ other ppl who own the software, now if the store is gonna charge them rent they should "all" get some money too...
Sembetu
Reply #145 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:08 PM
I asked the store owner about that and he told me that the store paid for the overhead to house and display them, as well as the shipping of the covers. Additionally, he did mention that the covers were independently manufactured, but for the sole purpose of distribution through that store and others like it who retail that particular type of phone. Incidentally, there were also some consignment covers as well. That store owner sure is a nice guy.

Sembetu
Doreen
Reply #146 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:12 PM
Hmm I sure hope my family don't read this and start getting ideas to charge me fees to hold their X-mas gifts I give to them under their trees this year... hehe
Doreen
Reply #147 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:14 PM
Anyways back on topic... this thing has been brought up and beaten to death. Let's hope everyone can find a good solution suitable for everyone involved (and that it don't cost them their rent and food money)
Doreen
Reply #148 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:21 PM
BTW Sembetu I love the apps and I've purchased most all of them over the years, it's just this is not a typical skin site in the so called skinning community it is a business site, therefore you expect a business site to give back alil w/o charging again for that as well...
It's always nice when you can get an added extra whatever as a bonus after you purchase something (but these days it's unheard of anyways)
ZubaZ
Reply #149 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:33 PM
You see most the skins that are uploaded here were given as a "gift" to share w/ other ppl who own the software, now if the store is gonna charge them rent they should "all" get some money too...


The nice thing about the internet is that it's pretty open. If anyone here wants to start 100% free skin site where it's supported by whatever means you want you can. And you can solicit the skinners her to submit at your site. More power to you. Good luck.

TANSTAAFL. You'll figure it out sooner rather than later I think.

I've been amember of WC since 2001. I have submitted two DX widgets, post once in a while, don't use my personal pages, don't download a whole lot of skins. But I appreciate the service that's being provided (skins, community) and understand that if I want that service someone has to pay. I am willing to be counted as a supporter. It also gives me the right to bitch and moan more than a non-subscriber (not that I do, but I can.)

When people complain about the goverment but didn't vote I tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine. Same priciple there.

If WC has a value to you (and it must if you are here) then figure out for yourself what that value is. If it's more than $20/ year subscribe. If it's less you should find somewhere of more value to hang out or accept the limitations of the new structure.

As far as the store analogy goes, I see it more like a art gallery. The artist hires the space and might make a sale (if selling). A fee is charged for those who come to view the work.
Doreen
Reply #150 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:41 PM
I think I was a member here since day one? if not then shortly thereafter and know most of these guys since before they had "this site" to play on? so I too might have a small right to moan myself (maybe not but I will today anyways) I only moan for the ones that may wish to say similiar things such as me but are too afraid to speak up against certain ppl for fear someone might attack them w/ mean and nasty text on the screen...

Also I would not care to start my own skinning site as you were kind enough to recommend however if I was a skinnable software dev I would have a section and/or site for ppl that bought my apps to upload their skins for my apps and show my appreciation by not charging them for my rent...
Threi
Reply #151 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:49 PM
As far as the store analogy goes, I see it more like a art gallery. The artist hires the space and might make a sale (if selling). A fee is charged for those who come to view the work.



But the artist isnt selling anything...
scorpio-logic
Reply #152 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:55 PM
Okay, Okay, Okay...

One must remember when one posts a skin, on this site or any other, for others to access "freely" that site is not on their PC. It is on a server run by someone else. Isn't it only fair that the one who owns the server get something out of the whole post? And if not, wouldn't it be fair to say that the one owning the serverhas some say over the whole thing?

My 2 cents, more or less. Happy skinning!
Lantec
Reply #153 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:59 PM
OK 4 questions....

1. When do the User Classes start?
2. How long is the semester?
3. What books do I need to buy?
4. What's the minimum passing grade?
Doreen
Reply #154 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:03 PM
Yes Scorpio trying to help out a kid that wants to have a site and host other ppls skins for enjoyment and sharing is one thing yesssss in a case like that you help the kid out. "But" this is a business site that makes it's sales from the cool looking skins everyone makes for free? He is old enough and rich enough to pay his own rent but unfortunetly he may have to use some of that money he makes off of selling his apps to keep his site running so ppl can give him some more skins for his apps? (OMG! that's a sad thought!)
ZubaZ
Reply #155 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:09 PM
if I was a skinnable software dev I would have a section and/or site for ppl that bought my apps to upload their skins for my apps and show my appreciation by not charging them for my rent...


You might reconsider charging if the cost of hosting those skins was reducing the profit you were making on your product in a significant way.

I did not mean to suggest that you specifically should start a skinning site. Only that there are many folks here who don't like the existing or proposed system but are not willing to put in the effort/time/money/skills requiered to make their own. It's one thing to offer suggestions on how to improve things, it's another to complain about it. {and for the record I am not putting you in the complainer catagory)
Bichur
Reply #156 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:10 PM
TANSTAAFL.


But, I'm h-u-n-g-r-y

if I was a skinnable software dev I would have a section and/or site for ppl that bought my apps to upload their skins for my apps and show my appreciation by not charging them for my rent...


for how long, look at the numer of galleries and skins and the amount of traffic.
scorpio-logic
Reply #157 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:10 PM
What kid are we talking about again?
Bichur
Reply #158 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:12 PM
The Chamelemonkey kid.
scorpio-logic
Reply #159 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:12 PM
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear, and I didn't realize I needed to read another page of posts before posting myself...duh.

My comment was in regard to Wincutomize and the significance of paying to use it.
scorpio-logic
Reply #160 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:15 PM
K, I skimmed through the 4 pages of posts in this thread and I didn't see no monkeys!?

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