WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Monday, October 31, 2005 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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indigonecro
Reply #121 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 10:39 PM
Doesn't really matter what I have to say anyways. I've applied to MANY articles. Only difference is a nick change. Perhaps, those articles didn't tally up. Because Cerebro you've seen me all over. Again though perhaps that's fault of mine with the nick change.

6 Months dedication is perhaps a bit slim in comparison. But, this is the only internet website I even go to besides checking my mail. I take care of my son, sleep, work and sit on WinCustomize.com. That's It.

Doubt many could say that. But doesn't mean they aren't as dedicated just means their entertained by a wider variety of websites.

I pass out flyers at my work for Stardock and WinCustomize.com.. I sit on ALL night responding to posts and such, trying to make a difference. I'm not demanding promotion or even suggesting really. IF I had a promotion it wouldn't matter because I wouldn't even flaunt it around or use it in my nick. Being an ObjectDesktop purchaser and WinCustomize.com subscriber I already have ultimited downloads, etc..

It's not about the title, it's about the recognition. Many don't mention it and I could see why. But when I've been "bleeding" the sites "color" for my 6 months of being a part of it, I believe that accounts for something, personally.

MY comments are simple. Promotion "seems" to be based soley on skinning and "friend of a friend" unless they are from other skinning sites? I don't know I'm obviously not even of minimal access to tell. I just want the promotions to be more fair. I don't care as much if I get promotion. But, I do care that it's fair when promoting and from what I've seen spending 8+ hours on here a night for the past 6 months, it's not.

No hard feelings we're all community, but there IS some levels of favoritism. Those who can't admit that are themselves effectly positively. If I were promoted I'd probably change my tune about it as well, as anyone would. Doesn't stop the fact though.

I've been a community leader on more than a handful of forums in the past 10 years. I've always been fair, not saying 98% of the promotion team isn't, but in life, there's corruption and favoritism.

I guess what set me off is when a couple months back I tried to help repair an iconpack. And did. I was told it wasn't mind to distrubute when I offered to upload it to the site as just a fix. Instead that iconpack took two weeks to be repaired. I helped, and deemded as a "town idiot" first time. Second, is when I offered voluntary services and was disregarded or bashed on. That's wrong. I offered to help, I don't deserve that type of feedback for offering free services and my time.

Bottom line is, in my situation ANYONE would get mad. I've always ruled with a strict yet "restricted" hand. I've always welcomed help no matter how pitty it was on other forums. I've allowed everyone to be involved. Not just a select few, which I think is wrong. Anyone who can't side with that aspect, has the problem with them, not me.

Stardock is great. WinCustomize.com is great. The community is like my family even though 60% hate me (well deserved perhaps. lol) But I don't need to be treated like I'm inconveniencing the site when I try to help out, that's the issue. You think people just fly off the handle for no apparent reason? I don't. Stop wondering why I'm pis$ed and ask about it, Do I not have valid reason at least in the way I describe the events I've been part of?

p.s. Jafo and Cerebro you two aren't my issue, you are both fair and cool with me. I've always respected you. Those whom I have problems should know already, bad form is mentioning those people and the situations.

::cough:: even though Jafo sucks at picking a good wallpaper for approval.
darkening
Reply #122 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:11 PM
Nice Start, I particularly like that the more limited acess levels will have some access to the areas outside any product they may own.I can honestly say that most of my purchases occurred from wandering outside my perenial OD.Net subscription and being Wowed by the other offerings. I still think the highest level should only have access to a limited number of "Premium " skins (Stardock created or Initiated) maybe a group of high level themes out of which we could choose a few over the course of our subscriptions? maybe using a token system like you have on drengin? Anyway, Thank you for a well thought out plan of action , I know you didn't want to do it,but well I guess that's just beating the dead horse.....I have actually decided to try to make a WB skin..directly because of this site!.I have the innate creative talent of a monkey with a bucket of paint. should be "interesting"
Zingy
Reply #123 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:41 PM
i havent read every comment so forgive me if this is a repeat of someone... another restriction for group 0 i think should be a limit on how many pages they can access. that is another thing that can hog bandwitch and much as file downloads when people browse through the whole site, or if they are new, browsing dozens of pages with all those pictures to find a good skin. maybe you guys could put an overall daily bandwidth use limit for each IP and perhaps add a little meter on each page somewhere telling the person how much they have left. this could help a little to curb the bandwisth usage.
FJMAC
Reply #124 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:52 PM
I've been a member since 9/2/2005. Two whole months. It didn't take me long to see how great a site and resource Wincustomize is. I purchased a WinCustomize Subscription on 10/19/05. Happy with the new restictions Brad put forth above. Keep up the great work
Judge
Reply #125 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:54 PM
More power to your elbow
Hapkido
Reply #126 Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:58 PM
First of all, I think it is great that wincustomize is still online. Like a number of others, I was a little dismayed at the lack of subscriptions that came in. However, the new "plan" will hopefully go toward remedying the problem of bandwidth usage one way or another. I also think that the restrictions on the bottom end of the scale are a little on the easy side and could have been stiffened up a bit more. Of course, it isn't like the present policy is etched in stone and couldn't change if needed.

For me, aside from all the skins that are selflessly made available, I have come to know some really great folks in the community and would like to simply say Thank You for sharing your knowledge and time with me when I've asked for help.
George Rogers Jr
Reply #127 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:34 AM
Brad & Co., Thx for the hard work by everyone at SD/WC...having been here since May of '02 it's been great!! I think I'm in the #4 Class but it really doesn't matter - as long as the website flourishes that's whats important. I think the entire reconstruction of availability/class/rewards serves the site well. Thx again!
p e d
Reply #128 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:26 AM
Sounds great. I’m for anything that helps the survival of the community and WC(and Stardock).

I’m sure you have thought of this but what if people pay for the bandwidth they use.
E.g. They reach their download cap. Deposit $10 into their account and 5 or 10 cents gets deducted for each meg they download.
Will also work to promoting subs as they will soon realize its cheaper to buy a subscription.

Another thought is just that this will affect downloads of new skins and content.
With all the stats and rankings on WC new skinners will never reach the ranks of the masters as they will never get as many downloads as when downloads were unlimited like in the days of the windowblinds library.

Next, what about the kids. A lot of them these days are far more computer literate than I will ever be. Skinning by its nature of customization and personalization will, I think, appeal mostly to them. The main thing is that its not always easy for them to do transactions on the net, even if they have the cash. I know in my country of residence most people cringe when they think of having to pay in dollars no matter how small the amount(exchange rate etc.).

Lastly if this doesn’t make sense please don’t shoot me. The reason I don’t post in the forums often is that I cannot get my thoughts onto paper coherently. English may be my first language but it was my worst subject at school.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.
joetheblow
Reply #129 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 5:36 AM
I like the new plan.

I think the download limitations for the lower numbered groups are too high. i think they should be lowered.

Other than that, it sounds like a good plan. I look forward to seeing the new advertising layout and marketing plan so that Wincustomize earns more money though ads. With 3 million people coming to the site monthly, there is no reason not to earn money off of that. These 3 million people... some of them have to be looking for something computer or tech related (and maybe some not so obvious relationships like family trips, housing/rent and food), so earning revenue (if you take the Google aproach to advertising and show people what they are interested in) will help ad revenue for this site. I hope the new advertising push aligns itself to educating the viewer rather than just throwing stuff at them and seeing what sticks. I look forward to seeing Alienware ads... I like those ads.



I AM ALSO IN LOVE WITH THE IDEA OF CONTRIBUTERS EARNING MONEY!!!

WinCustomize becoming a Revenue Sharing site is a great idea. I first thought of it for my skin site a few months ago, and I seen it done with a site I am on (check out the site here... its called JoomlaYa and its for Joomla, a site content manager)

WinCustomize should produce a skinning magazine. that would be cool. another way of bringing people to the site, advertisers and have people create more content for the site using Revenue Sharing.
scorpio-logic
Reply #130 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 6:01 AM
Revenue sharing????
I missed that part, lemme go read the post again! I'm all for that one.
Kevin_C
Reply #131 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 6:38 AM
it would only be a matter of time until there will be a hack to active it again


Yes, I understand that better locks simply lead to better theives but I also know for a fact that the number of people that will go through the trouble of trying to find a crack as opposed to either un-installing it is probably fairly small. Also, depending on the process that is put in place SD could make it extremely difficult to just re-activate it once the demo period was up. It's not about stopping everyone, it's about making it sufficiently difficult as to make buying the product that much more attractive. I mean really, WB is what $19.95.. If I were faced with the choice of scouring hundreds of warez sites in the search of a crack which might take a fair bit of time and result in my PC being infected with who knows what or paying $19.95, I think I'll pay the money and save my time for something truly useful. So, while your statement has some truth, I think the fact that we're talking about a $20 piece of software and not a $200 piece of software makes quite a difference in the lengths people would be willing to go to avoid paying for the software.
Qx9
Reply #132 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 6:38 AM
Do people who submit skins, icons, themes get a cut on the amount of cash this plan will generate? ...say $.05/download? Probably not, but I thought I'd ask. heehee
Kevison
Reply #133 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 7:10 AM
All this reminds me of the old POV-Ray forums of years back. Some last and some dont.
Kevison
Reply #134 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 7:10 AM
grrr wish i wasnt so click happy... sorry for the double post
Sembetu
Reply #135 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:19 AM
#129 by Developer joetheblow: WinCustomize should produce a skinning magazine. that would be cool. another way of bringing people to the site, advertisers and have people create more content for the site using Revenue Sharing.


A magazine would be great, and there is already an infrastructure for great articles. Users who have a good idea and write well could become magazine contributors. One that immediately comes to mind is Mormegil. His icon tutorials were at least as good if not better than the kinds of articles found in magazines such as Computer Arts. A magazine like that could go a long way here in the US. I have to pay $15.00 for one copy of that mag, but I just haven't found anything better that is domestic. We have the talent and tools here to offer something of equal or greater value than the aforementioned. Additionally, you could easily retail it for $7.50, and come in at half the price of Computer Arts or Practical Web Pages, and still be retailing for about $2.50 to 3.50 higher than the average newsstand price of most magazines. And, people would pay it. Plus you could offer a free WC sub with a year long subscription to the mag or something closely vice-versa. There is a lot of potential there. I am your first subscriber, and I would be more than happy to contribute in any way possible if this ever goes futrher than this forum.
Kevison
Reply #136 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:41 AM
A magazine would be great



I definitely agree, maybe one that has an occasional CD loaded with goodies. I spend way to much on tech rags and books, but one more def wouldnt hurt. Tutorials would be great. Or even frameworks for things like WindowBlinds. A WC mag would be great.
DocX
Reply #137 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:58 AM
So I guess its like this. If you havent got object desktop yet its going to cost you $50 for object desktop and then another $20 to be able to get the good skins before they are buryed by all the other skins for a month...I think If youve payed for Object desktop you should be entitled to all the skins that are being made free for d load. Lets face it, If stardock didn't have this site to get the skins from I wouldn't have been renewing object desktop since 2001. I don't use the personal page and all I usually am interested in are the windowblinds skins and iconpacker and cursor xp. I feel a bit slighted from being seemingly forced into buying a added subscription for a site just to be able to have full access to the skins that should be available to me for buying there product (not the premium ones). That's like buying mcafee antivirus and them saying well you can have the virus defs but you cant get the good ones for 30 days until you subscribe to the site. I understand WC needs to make money and am all for that. I just don't think they should pentelise there existing customers that paid more for the software than the subscription thou. Ive gotten tierd of uploading wallpapers only to never hear anything and to not see them uploaded to the site. Things Ive gotten over 50 comments on DA with never got accepted here so what am I to do? I work 10 hours a day 6 days a week and don't have time to learn how to skin and comment a lot. I do comment on things I think are great.There are about 2 maybe 3 WB skins I download a week if I really like them, I worry now with this plan in place that those possible 2 I would like to get will be unavailable for 4 weeks and then buried by the time I can get them. And will never end up getting them for not seeing them any more. That would end up making it not worth renewing Object desktop as all the good skins still cost more money still. I understand the premium skins not being available and that's fair but the other ones I worry about...
Just my opinion as unpopular as it might be..
Jafo
Reply #138 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:02 AM

That's like buying mcafee antivirus and them saying well you can have the virus defs but you cant get the good ones for 30 days until you subscribe to the site.

You get the defs for a year....after that you get nothing.

Unless you subscribe.

Sounds familiar....

DocX
Reply #139 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:07 AM
Sure, and what I meant by that was in buying a renewal to Objectdesktop I should be entitled to good skins for a year..
DocX
Reply #140 Wednesday, November 2, 2005 10:08 AM
I understand you have to do something..Im just not thrilled with the holding out on the good skins for 30 days for object desktop customers thing..

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