Windows Vista tool targeted by virus writers
Thursday, August 4, 2005 by 47songs | Discussion: WinCustomize News
And so it begins!!
"Security experts are warning of a possible scripting virus 'outbreak' when the OS formerly known as Longhorn finally ships."
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"Security experts are warning of a possible scripting virus 'outbreak' when the OS formerly known as Longhorn finally ships."
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Excalpius
Reply #2 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:04 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:04 PM
Uh, this is all vulnerabilities regarding the command shell MONAD. The only reason the article writer includes Vista in the title is to get you to read it this badly conceived hype piece. MONAD is available now, in beta, for Windows XP, etc. so there is no connection to Vista per se.
So this is essentially a troll/misleading posting based on a troll/misleading article.
Sigh.
So this is essentially a troll/misleading posting based on a troll/misleading article.
Sigh.
Excalpius
Reply #3 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:05 PM
How? Or are you just flaming the troll here?
Reply #3 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:05 PM
| Ironic... |
How? Or are you just flaming the troll here?
47songs
Reply #5 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:31 PM
Reply #5 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:31 PM
Who're you calling a troll?
I didn't post that arbitrarily. I read the article and felt it was interesting enough to post for commentary.
I didn't post that arbitrarily. I read the article and felt it was interesting enough to post for commentary.
kona0197
Reply #6 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:31 PM
No I'm not egging anyone on. Far from it. I just think it's ironic or sad that virus writers are already going after Vista or MONAD that's all. You would think there are better things to do then wrote virus codes.
Reply #6 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:31 PM
| How? Or are you just flaming the troll here? |
No I'm not egging anyone on. Far from it. I just think it's ironic or sad that virus writers are already going after Vista or MONAD that's all. You would think there are better things to do then wrote virus codes.
Mnelson
Reply #7 Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:04 PM
Reply #7 Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:04 PM
Erm....and that's some big deal? Come on! I've had XP since 2002, with a simple AV (and wise internet-surfing), you're more then well-off enough. So really I don't see what the big deal was. Now please, someone correct me if I'm wrong (as I often seem to be, haha). Also Kona, I second that!
o0SHUUMI0o
Reply #8 Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:55 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:55 PM
I dont see why these piss-ant peopel do this to begin with....hacking is one thing, it to gain info or any of many purposes....viruses only destroy with no useful gain to anyone..... I hope the law really gets tough on these people....and finds them
Apocalypse_67
Reply #9 Thursday, August 4, 2005 6:46 PM
I really don't see the 'troll/misleading' factor anywhere on this post, as a matter of fact I think is a good article to read. Whether MS includes MONAD with Vista or as an add-on tool, it is interesting to know that in the long run it can be the cause of a few problems.
Your comment, Excalpius, is way off base.
Reply #9 Thursday, August 4, 2005 6:46 PM
| So this is essentially a troll/misleading posting based on a troll/misleading article. |
I really don't see the 'troll/misleading' factor anywhere on this post, as a matter of fact I think is a good article to read. Whether MS includes MONAD with Vista or as an add-on tool, it is interesting to know that in the long run it can be the cause of a few problems.
Your comment, Excalpius, is way off base.
Excalpius
Reply #10 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:09 PM
Really? How about if this was about ANY operating system and someone released a BETA of an entirely SEPARATE product. Shouldn't the TITLE of the article be about the problem in the PRODUCT, and not about the potential future beta operating system? That is the generic case of this, so that you might understand the problem as I saw it.
I took the article writer to task for creating FUD.
I took the POSTER to task for the spreading of FUD.
The title of the article and the post are both FUD.
Reply #10 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:09 PM
| Your comment, Excalpius, is way off base. |
Really? How about if this was about ANY operating system and someone released a BETA of an entirely SEPARATE product. Shouldn't the TITLE of the article be about the problem in the PRODUCT, and not about the potential future beta operating system? That is the generic case of this, so that you might understand the problem as I saw it.
I took the article writer to task for creating FUD.
I took the POSTER to task for the spreading of FUD.
The title of the article and the post are both FUD.
Excalpius
Reply #11 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:20 PM
Reply #11 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:20 PM
If your point is that I should have said "FUD" instead of "Troll" then that may be valid. But as I see it, anyone who deliberately spreads FUD is probably trolling. That may or may not fit your definition.
WE, as the readers of these articles, and the posters of them on sites like this need to take some responsibility for the dissemination of information here. In my opinion, this article was parrotted without critical consideration by the poster, as his title is misinformation regarding the content of the article and therefore his post.
If he had posted a title such as "Potential Vulnerabilities Found in MONAD beta", then he would have been accurately reflecting the true nature of the story. ZDNet is about MAKING MONEY, not informing anyone about anything. If you don't read their articles, they don't get the ad revenue. So they will title the article anything they can to get you to read it. Since they refuse to title these stories accurately, how are we to know if this is a really useful article to read? After all, by putting Vista in the title, we all read it. How many of us would have read it if it didn't and only mentioned Monad? Clearly, only those ten people using Monad. They make no money that way. So, don't help them spread FUD. Call them on it. I do.
If you post, post accurately. Don't just be a parrot. That's just my OPINION and my two cents. I don't mean to slight the poster personally. I'm sure he/she had the best of intentions. But it did serve as a perfect example of the kind of FUD spreading that "technology sites" seems have turned into these days, so I pointed it out. Hopefully, no one took this personally. My apologies if you did.
WE, as the readers of these articles, and the posters of them on sites like this need to take some responsibility for the dissemination of information here. In my opinion, this article was parrotted without critical consideration by the poster, as his title is misinformation regarding the content of the article and therefore his post.
If he had posted a title such as "Potential Vulnerabilities Found in MONAD beta", then he would have been accurately reflecting the true nature of the story. ZDNet is about MAKING MONEY, not informing anyone about anything. If you don't read their articles, they don't get the ad revenue. So they will title the article anything they can to get you to read it. Since they refuse to title these stories accurately, how are we to know if this is a really useful article to read? After all, by putting Vista in the title, we all read it. How many of us would have read it if it didn't and only mentioned Monad? Clearly, only those ten people using Monad. They make no money that way. So, don't help them spread FUD. Call them on it. I do.
If you post, post accurately. Don't just be a parrot. That's just my OPINION and my two cents. I don't mean to slight the poster personally. I'm sure he/she had the best of intentions. But it did serve as a perfect example of the kind of FUD spreading that "technology sites" seems have turned into these days, so I pointed it out. Hopefully, no one took this personally. My apologies if you did.
Jafo
Reply #14 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:36 PM
Reply #14 Thursday, August 4, 2005 7:36 PM
WC News is vetted for approval....it's up to the site Admins to determine whether a topic is suitable. If anyone considers it 'FUD'...that's fine....but determining 'trollish behaviour' is up to the admins...
starkers
Reply #15 Thursday, August 4, 2005 8:13 PM
Reply #15 Thursday, August 4, 2005 8:13 PM
The sad thing here is that these virus writers intent is to cause harm and distress....worse still that total strangers to them are adversely affected, meaning there's not even the element of revenge, say, to at least give it some meaning or reason. It's such a senseless act and virus writers should be castrated with a butter knife....ouch, and deservedly so.
I'm not normally one for violent reprisals, but these parasites make my blood boil
I'm not normally one for violent reprisals, but these parasites make my blood boil
47songs
Reply #16 Thursday, August 4, 2005 8:18 PM
Reply #16 Thursday, August 4, 2005 8:18 PM
I've never been called a troll before. I had to go look up the meaning. I found several but this one seems to sum up the general concensus:
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
I do take offense to being called a troll, Citizen Excalpius. I also take offense to being called a parrot, and being accused of posting FUD (whatever that is). I posted what I thought was an interesting article on the new Vista OS, still in beta. I honestly thought it was an article of interest to all of us. One of the primary concerns of Windows XP users has been the security. Or the lack thereof. We've been promised better in the way of Vista. I did a search for "Vista news" today just wanting to read up on any new information that was out there on the subject. At the top of the first page on Google, was a link to this article. I read it, thought it was interesting, and decided I wanted to share the information to provide commentary on the issue.
I'm a contributing member of Wincustomize. Why would I post an article on this site if the sole purpose was to "troll?"
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
I do take offense to being called a troll, Citizen Excalpius. I also take offense to being called a parrot, and being accused of posting FUD (whatever that is). I posted what I thought was an interesting article on the new Vista OS, still in beta. I honestly thought it was an article of interest to all of us. One of the primary concerns of Windows XP users has been the security. Or the lack thereof. We've been promised better in the way of Vista. I did a search for "Vista news" today just wanting to read up on any new information that was out there on the subject. At the top of the first page on Google, was a link to this article. I read it, thought it was interesting, and decided I wanted to share the information to provide commentary on the issue.
I'm a contributing member of Wincustomize. Why would I post an article on this site if the sole purpose was to "troll?"
Apocalypse_67
Reply #18 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:07 PM
It seems to me that you are more bothered/upset with the ways and intentions of the site that posted the article than with the content of the article it self.
Just as 47songs did, I could've been the one that read the article and linked it because I think is an interesting piece of information. Does that make me a troll?
The fact that you view this as a trolling/misleading/FUD post (an opinion shared by you alone) doesn’t render the person that posted/linked the article a troll or any similar label.
Now getting back on topic, the article remains a good piece of information.
Reply #18 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:07 PM
| ZDNet is about MAKING MONEY, not informing anyone about anything. If you don't read their articles, they don't get the ad revenue. So they will title the article anything they can to get you to read it. |
It seems to me that you are more bothered/upset with the ways and intentions of the site that posted the article than with the content of the article it self.
Just as 47songs did, I could've been the one that read the article and linked it because I think is an interesting piece of information. Does that make me a troll?
The fact that you view this as a trolling/misleading/FUD post (an opinion shared by you alone) doesn’t render the person that posted/linked the article a troll or any similar label.
Now getting back on topic, the article remains a good piece of information.
Bichur
Reply #19 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:08 PM
Reply #19 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:08 PM
As one who knows the difference between troll and Troll - you are not the former 47songs (but you may have a little of the latter that's a good thing { The word "Troll" is possibly derived from an old norse word meaning magic} nor would I say you are a parrot. You keep posting lady, I'll keep reading. 
psst... y'all ever heard the expression: Guilty dog barks first...?
that's a good thing { The word "Troll" is possibly derived from an old norse word meaning magic} nor would I say you are a parrot. You keep posting lady, I'll keep reading. 
psst... y'all ever heard the expression: Guilty dog barks first...?
eieio
Reply #20 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:57 PM
Yep.
Reply #20 Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:57 PM
| y'all ever heard the expression: Guilty dog barks first...? |
Yep.
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Reply #1 Thursday, August 4, 2005 3:04 PM