Where Are The Moderators?
Monday, June 27, 2005 by Boss019 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
There is a logon that's been up for 2 weeks now, using a wall from one of the better known wallpaper artists here, that simply says "Thanx for the permission, man" with no permission included. He says he forgot, would put it in, and never did. The person who made the wall says he doesn't even know the guy. Yet, on my last logon using this persons work, (which I have exclusive permission to use), I get a comment from administration making sure to put in the description that permission is included, which of course it is. Yet this other total rip remains on the site with no permission at all.
And the wallpaper library, supposedly the one most heavily moderated, allows a wall using an icon from another artist on this site without the artists permission, the person then adds a thanks and a link to the author's site, but no permission included in the file.
I can see this happening perhaps on things that aren't very obvious, getting missed, but there seem to be a lot of examples of this happening with work that should be known to the moderators and checked for permission. They should be some of the most knowledgeable people here with knowledge about what is getting submitted.
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Reply #22 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:28 PM
| People do look after others, and as I said, I informed the creator of the logon wall, he didn't persue it. I've informend many others here and on other sites of rips. I feel my responsibility in those cases is to inform the creator of the work and from there it is up to them. I think you're trying to say I should have reported it to administration, but it was not my work to report as ripped, I informed the author. I was using it as an example. It IS polite and it is being done, I'm sure you get reports of rips. But to bring what it cost's you into this is totally off the subject. And volunteering is just that, doing something for nothing because you love it and it doesn't necessarily make you expert in what you are doing or exempt from either praise or criticism. I never started this to slam anyone, just state a point of view that in my opinion needed addressing. |
Let's bottom line this -- we at least have moderation. And we catch most rips and such that do come up. Sometimes rips get through. It's life. If someone sees their work ripped, it's their responsibility to report it to us. We provide moderation as a bonus feature of the site. We do NOT consider it our responsibility to protect other people's copyright. We do what we can, far more than most websites, but we're not going to go beyond a best-effort basis to do so.
Reply #23 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:29 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:41 PM
| Obviously mods don't realise how frustrating it is to see your own creations ripped by someone other then you, uploading YOUR creations to websites thinking that it's their own. |
The Images used [yours] are about as common as one can get. They could have been the creation of the uploader, or just about anyone else. Unless a moderator sifted through 5000 walls checking for each one it's an easy assumption to expect them to be his own works.
Example....
Someone uploads a Bryce Torus Logon. Is it his or did he just push similar buttons to that Bryce Torus Wall uploader?
All that is NEEDED is for such common-works' owners to pop in and inform the Admins and it WILL be fixed.
I let those through...because it was reasonable to assume they were his own.
You corrected that assumption.
Now they are gone...and any subsequent works will be considered with more suspicion.
Some walls are actually sufficiently 'notable', [famous] or their 'style' is so easy to pick that it's a no=brainer to intercept them.
Others are common in style and content and much harder to distinguish....
Reply #26 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:27 PM
| It's a bonus now? That ought to be printed in the sales brocures. And of the 62 posts pending, maybe 15 or 20 of which were posted this morning, 3 were rips AND one wasn't even a logonxp file...it was an .exe file that could contain WHO KNOWS WHAT kind of harmful files and do major damage to a lot of computers. It just doesn't seem that big of a workload for a few moderators to catch that. Doesn't seem like much of a BONUS to me. |
Well feel free to submit your stuff somewhere else such as say deviantART or ThemeXP. Oh wait, that's right, they don't have moderation at all. Maybe you should set up your own perfect website in which a dedicated team of super beings magically know which things are rips and which ones aren't. You could personally go through each and every upload and verify that each one includes permisison..
The moderators here are volunteers. They give up their time to sort through an awful lot of stuff being uploaded. If you think it's easy, start your own site. It's easy to sit back and say what other people should do when you're not doing it.
It is ultimately the responsibility of the copyright holder to protect their own work. No skinning site puts anywhere near as much proactive effort into protecting other people's stuff. If something slips through moderation, all we need is an email from someone letting us know and we'll take care of it. Since you feel it requires little effort, feel free to go through new uploads as they're made public to ensure their validity.
Reply #27 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:01 PM
Reply #28 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:34 PM
Reply #29 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:47 AM
Probably deleting my news story.
I believe frogboy once complained that he was the only one writing news.
Have a nice day...
Reply #30 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:53 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:55 AM
Master Apprentice Iben ...that 'News story' appears to be a desire on your part to utilise the Frontpage News section to advertise your WB skin commercially.
I'm not too sure that's quite the 'spirit' of a News section. Since I personally do not pay for Wincustomize.com and its bandwidth I'm inclined to leave Commercial Advertising there for the deliberation of those who do....
Reply #32 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:37 AM
| This thread should be called "Disgruntled Master Apprentices" |
This thread should be locked. Look... the files that I asked nicly to be deleted have been happily removed by WC mods and I'm happy, can't we just move on?
Reply #33 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:06 AM
| can't we just move on? |
I think you forgot one crucial thing here. To thank Boss for bringing this to your attention. Without this thread you want locked, you probably still wouldn't know your work was ripped. My how quickly we forget.
Reply #35 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:42 AM
| where are the moderatores? |
We can be found by the pool, sipping drinks and watching the chicks/guys.
Reply #36 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:24 AM
Ha, Ha, Ha...
Reply #37 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:06 PM
Reply #38 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:25 PM
.......... you told me the pool was closed. 
dOH!Reply #39 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:35 PM
| I think you forgot one crucial thing here. To thank Boss for bringing this to your attention. Without this thread you want locked, you probably still wouldn't know your work was ripped. My how quickly we forget. |
No I haven't forgotten the crucial thing here as I have already thanked boss for his finding in PM over at skinartistry before I even came to this thread!!
I would of found the rips anyway because I do every now and then check most skinning sites high and low, even in the logons.
So keep your nose out of this because you don't have a dam clue on where I go, and what I type.
Think! before you say...
Reply #40 Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:47 PM
| DangIt Snowy! .......... you told me the pool was closed. |
Doh, Busted... >.<
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Reply #21 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:56 AM