I need The Skins Factory and Kona to read this, please
Wednesday, June 22, 2005 by _02 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Thanks guys for you interest in helping end horse slaughter in America. I have sent you both an email via The Humane Society so you can ask your state Senators to support the Sweeney-Sprat bill to end this horrible act. It is not spam! Thanks again, I really appreciate it, and also left you a comment in my Save the Domestic Horse thread. Take care. Cindi
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_02
Reply #23 Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:40 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:40 PM
No, I wish I was. My chemical make up does not do well on a vegetarian diet. I have tried several times through out my life. As I grow older though it is getting harder and harder for me to eat meat. I do not eat chicken anymore. I can't even eat the fish I catch because I saw them alive. Last time I tried to eat the large mouth bass I caught, I threw up. My neighbor raises goats for food, and I can not eat those either. I see them running around everyday. The babies are so cute. He brings fresh meat to us on occasion, but my husband is the only one that eats it. I only eat eggs from free roaming hens, or my neighbors. He has chickens too. I love their eggs. They have almost an acre of freedom. The yolk is orange, not the sickly yellow that comes from the poor chickens kept packed in cages so tight they can't even move. You may laugh, but that is me, and I make no appologies. I like who I am. And being or not being a vegetarian has nothing to do with treating all living things with respect.
kona0197
Reply #24 Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:59 PM
Reply #24 Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:59 PM
kona0197 rolls his eyes...
Sorry CLwoods - I'm one of those guys that likes to go hunting. I have a killer instinct. I love beef, pork, chicken. I can't stand seafood though - the smell is disgusting. So I guess I could care less how my food gets killed.
Anyhow - humans were made to eat meat - look at your teeth - they are made to shread meat.
Sorry CLwoods - I'm one of those guys that likes to go hunting. I have a killer instinct. I love beef, pork, chicken. I can't stand seafood though - the smell is disgusting. So I guess I could care less how my food gets killed.
Anyhow - humans were made to eat meat - look at your teeth - they are made to shread meat.
DigitalCHET
Reply #25 Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:10 PM
Reply #25 Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:10 PM
I hear and understand all this talk of animal slaughter and I sympathize but I can't justify doing something about that when people are slaughtered and oppressed by their own neighbours and country men... in places like Rwanda, Nicaragua, and even in our own backyards! There are people living in the streets and alleyways, whom we just casually walk by without giving them a second thought. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to be striving for animals before we do something for our fellow man?
If you know your Bible then you know that your primary call is to God, then to your neighbour, everything should come from that, including the stewardship of the environment and care of the earth -that's what the Torah says, let alone the Gospels.
I can't in good consciense fight to save animals before helping out the person on the street who begs to be fed and sleeps on a bench in the street in winter.
I mention it because I've probably been one of the worst offenders.
If you know your Bible then you know that your primary call is to God, then to your neighbour, everything should come from that, including the stewardship of the environment and care of the earth -that's what the Torah says, let alone the Gospels.
I can't in good consciense fight to save animals before helping out the person on the street who begs to be fed and sleeps on a bench in the street in winter.
I mention it because I've probably been one of the worst offenders.
_02
Reply #26 Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:05 PM
Reply #26 Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:05 PM
As I see it, we need to take care of every one and everything. The difference between man and animal is, man has free will and is in charge of his life and where it goes. Animals that are not running free are subject to man. They no longer have any control over their own life. Which I know has happened to millions of people too, and is another topic. But no living being on earth should be precluded because of another. Not man or animal. I am into helping all life on earth.
And while I feel for the homeless more than you know, and have fed and clothed them in my life, I feel alot of them are there by choice. Alot are not. Some people are just too lazy to make something out of their life, while others think the world owes them something, and they die waiting to get it. And I would also like to say that it apparently isn't very popular among some people for America to stand up against the tyrants that supress, kill and torture their fellow man. There has been one belly ache over it after another. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
And Kona, you have no need to appologize to me. You have to live with yourself, and I have to live with myself. If you like how you are, what should it matter to you what I think of your eating habits? I am just greatful that there is not a species out there bigger and stronger than us that could round us up, torture us, and skin us alive so they have something fresh to eat, that satisfies their pallet. I know the bears and certain animals kill man everyday, but they do keep us locked up, or round us up first. They only do it to survive. We do not need all these different animals to mistreat and then eat to survive. Maybe it is payback for all of man's inconsiderations to the animal world.
And while I feel for the homeless more than you know, and have fed and clothed them in my life, I feel alot of them are there by choice. Alot are not. Some people are just too lazy to make something out of their life, while others think the world owes them something, and they die waiting to get it. And I would also like to say that it apparently isn't very popular among some people for America to stand up against the tyrants that supress, kill and torture their fellow man. There has been one belly ache over it after another. We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
And Kona, you have no need to appologize to me. You have to live with yourself, and I have to live with myself. If you like how you are, what should it matter to you what I think of your eating habits? I am just greatful that there is not a species out there bigger and stronger than us that could round us up, torture us, and skin us alive so they have something fresh to eat, that satisfies their pallet. I know the bears and certain animals kill man everyday, but they do keep us locked up, or round us up first. They only do it to survive. We do not need all these different animals to mistreat and then eat to survive. Maybe it is payback for all of man's inconsiderations to the animal world.
kona0197
Reply #27 Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:11 PM
If you read the Bible - we are supposed to have control over all animals. I don't see that as a problem.
Anyhow - CHET had a good point. So did you. I'm somewhere in-between you both.
Reply #27 Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:11 PM
| The difference between man and animal is, man has free will and is in charge of his life and where it goes. Animals that are not running free are subject to man. They no longer have any control over their own life. Which I know has happened to millions of people too, and is another topic. |
If you read the Bible - we are supposed to have control over all animals. I don't see that as a problem.
Anyhow - CHET had a good point. So did you. I'm somewhere in-between you both.
_02
Reply #28 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:08 PM
Reply #28 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:08 PM
We do not have Gods permission to torture and mistreat anything or anyone. Control does not have to be a negative. Control to me would mean keeping something safe and happy. Keeping something or someone from destructive or destroyed. Not to kill and mame at will or because it suits our fancy. If God was that much into control, he wouldn't have given us free will, and he would have taken control over us by now and ended the horrible things going on here. I will say one thing, it has been a pleasure to discuss our different opinions with out getting ugly and hateful over it. That is a rare thing these days. I am the kind of person that responds to the way I am treated with the same treatment back, and you have been a gentleman, and for that I thank you. 
NightTrainthedark
Reply #29 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 PM
Reply #29 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:09 PM
Why not just leave religion out of it and focus on the problem. 
_02
Reply #30 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:10 PM
Btw JourneyMan DigitalChet, Hotel Rhowanda is one of my favorite movies.
Reply #30 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:10 PM
| in places like Rwanda, |
Btw JourneyMan DigitalChet, Hotel Rhowanda is one of my favorite movies.
kona0197
Reply #31 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:18 PM
Reply #31 Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:18 PM
Why should we leave religion out of it Night Train when in fact religion guides most people's decisions about such issues?
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #33 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:48 PM
If there is a God, and He has a plan for humankind, then it's only common sense to pay attention and it affects every decision that we make. If there is no God, none of it matters anyway. I believe that there is, so His instruction manual is the only standard for me to live by.
Reply #33 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:48 PM
| Why should we leave religion out of it Night Train when in fact religion guides most people's decisions about such issues? |
If there is a God, and He has a plan for humankind, then it's only common sense to pay attention and it affects every decision that we make. If there is no God, none of it matters anyway. I believe that there is, so His instruction manual is the only standard for me to live by.
KeithMacDonald
Reply #34 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:48 PM
Reply #34 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:48 PM
omg....A holy war. what is this, the time of the crusades? get ahold of yourself! Can i sign that petition for you clwoods?
My name is: Keith MacDonald
My name is: Keith MacDonald
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #35 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:52 PM
Reply #35 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:52 PM
Sorry, Z. Didn't mean to have a conversation that excluded asterisks.
Jafo
Reply #36 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:57 PM
Reply #36 Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:57 PM
Man's inhumanity should be reserved for his fellow man, not be extended to lording it over more noble creatures than himself.
We deserve our own stupidity....aka live by the sword - die by the sword ...aka gun control, etc.
I think whales should be exempt from man's folly....
kona0197
Reply #37 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:14 PM
Reply #37 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:14 PM
Jafo - no offense - but I don't think any animal is more noble than mankind. Sorry.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #38 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:21 PM
May be true, but one is a victim and the other is an initiator of mis-management.
Reply #38 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:21 PM
| - but I don't think any animal is more noble than mankind. |
May be true, but one is a victim and the other is an initiator of mis-management.
kona0197
Reply #40 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:24 PM
Reply #40 Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:24 PM
Interesting - so we are told by the good book to eat all the animals and have dominion over all the animals yet people cry foul when our food is mistreated?
Kona0197 shakes his head...
There are bigger problems in this world than animal mistreatment. For example - global warming.
(By the way if no one edits China's comments I'm going to cry foul as I know others can't get away with that kind of talk...)
Kona0197 shakes his head...
There are bigger problems in this world than animal mistreatment. For example - global warming.
(By the way if no one edits China's comments I'm going to cry foul as I know others can't get away with that kind of talk...)
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Reply #21 Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:00 PM
Thank you. You're absolutely right, Bill.